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evilweasel posted:There is no comparison between the legislated "inconvenience" that abortion providers face and the small child throwing a tantrum response to any potential law that even touches some peoples Most Important Toy In The World. You know what? gently caress you. I'm sick of reading poo poo like this from gun owners. The NRA has been nothing but reasonable. The NRA has been entirely too reasonable. You know what being reasonable got us? hosed in the rear end. Compromise has not satisfied people like the Bradys, Bloomberg, or anyone else. They've used compromise to redefine the middle ground and tell us we need to give up more of our rights. The define being reasonable as acquiescing to all of their demands, otherwise we are extremists who want dead children. So gently caress being reasonable. If they want change, they need to be willing to actually compromise instead of going "hey, we aren't banning everything yet" It's time for us to realize that "go gently caress yourself" is a perfectly valid response to these idiots demanding something. Until they are ready to talk about removing suppressors from the NFA, or national CCW reciprocity, or no more SBR / SBS restrictions they aren't compromising. .....Tantrum response?
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Why would anyone compromise with gun owners when they currently have every possible favorable law. Seriously, what's left for gun owners to get? RPGs? Legal silencers? Compromise is predicated on being able to offer something to both parties. There's nothing that could be offered to gun owners that isn't even more batshit insane than our current laws.
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Oct 12, 2015 15:54
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Relentlessboredomm posted:Why would anyone compromise with gun owners when they currently have every possible favorable law. Seriously, what's left for gun owners to get? Hopefully? Dead.
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Oct 12, 2015 15:57
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zoux posted:You know what? gently caress you. I'm sick of reading poo poo like this from gun owners. The NRA has been nothing but reasonable. The NRA has been entirely too reasonable. lol
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Oct 12, 2015 15:58
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Relentlessboredomm posted:Why would anyone compromise with gun owners when they currently have every possible favorable law. Seriously, what's left for gun owners to get? RPGs? Legal silencers? Compromise is predicated on being able to offer something to both parties. There's nothing that could be offered to gun owners that isn't even more batshit insane than our current laws. I mean, in the modern world it's real difficult for the average citizen to help with the security of a free state if they don't have Stinger missiles to take down aircraft.
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What that quote demonstrates to me is that the concerns of the gun rights person isn't even on the same planet as the concerns of the rest of the country.
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Oct 12, 2015 15:59
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Jesus Christ listening to the Freedom Caucus supporters on the diane rehm show was painful. All this show did was confirm all my worries that they are stuck in cyclical logic that will not break and confirmed that they believe another shutdown would be great for the republicans. It got to the point where Diane was egging them on to shut it down. There is no  big enough for this cognitive dissonance
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Oct 12, 2015 16:00
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zoux posted:You know what? gently caress you. I'm sick of reading poo poo like this from gun owners. The NRA has been nothing but reasonable. The NRA has been entirely too reasonable. Man the idea of someone thinking the NRA has been bending over backwards for the government is just insane to me. It's on the level of someone telling me the sky is actually green, it's just objectively not true and so crazy I don't know why someone would even try to say it is.
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Relentlessboredomm posted:Why would anyone compromise with gun owners when they currently have every possible favorable law. Seriously, what's left for gun owners to get? RPGs? Legal silencers? Compromise is predicated on being able to offer something to both parties. There's nothing that could be offered to gun owners that isn't even more batshit insane than our current laws. gun owners have, completely seriously, on this very forum, argued that a proper compromise would be to let them own machine guns again in exchange for, like, "maybe we'll think about improving background checks. but, uh, not any system proposed, always some Other Background Check system that fixes my real and genuine problem of gifting guns to my children becoming illegal and then the Jackbooted Thugs come burst down my door and lock me up if they don't have a background check, and any other crazy scenario i can think of"
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They also think white, christian, male Americans are being attacked and constantly persecuted against by the government. They are totally living in a fantasy land created by right wing messaging and centuries of cultural hate for outside groups.
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Oct 12, 2015 16:03
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Spiffster posted:Jesus Christ listening to the Freedom Caucus supporters on the diane rehm show was painful. All this show did was confirm all my worries that they are stuck in cyclical logic that will not break and confirmed that they believe another shutdown would be great for the republicans. It got to the point where Diane was egging them on to shut it down. There is no Ha ha yep. We can only hope Tortilla Coast has some kind of freak building collapse while they're in there.
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Zoux, you're kind of screwing us here. Chillax. My proposal is that every gun owner(myself included) who want to keep our highspeedlowdrag AKs should start grassroots advocacy for better access to mental health. Let's make some positive change 
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Josh Lyman posted:This is great: I always love Maddow's glee at talking about the Republicans destroying themselves.
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I am not a book posted:Zoux, you're kind of screwing us here. Chillax. It's true I loving loooooove guns.
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zoux posted:What that quote demonstrates to me is that the concerns of the gun rights person isn't even on the same planet as the concerns of the rest of the country. What it demonstrates to me is you have poor reading comprehension. You went into a gently caress you anti NRA rant against someone making an anti-gun post. The quote does demonstrate the concerns of gun rights person isn't on the same planet as the concerns of the rest of the country, but in the exact opposite way of how you read it.
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Tatum Girlparts posted:It's on the level of someone telling me the sky is actually green, it's just objectively not true and so crazy I don't know why someone would even try to say it is. I had a well respected, decent acquaintance in a Poli-Sci professor/environmental consultant declare to me yesterday that Texas has more abortion clinics per capita than anywhere and would intentionally not ban them on a technicality if the opportunity occurred. People come to weird conclusions sometimes.
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Relentlessboredomm posted:Why would anyone compromise with gun owners when they currently have every possible favorable law. Seriously, what's left for gun owners to get? RPGs? Legal silencers? Compromise is predicated on being able to offer something to both parties. There's nothing that could be offered to gun owners that isn't even more batshit insane than our current laws. Why shouldn't I be able to own a silencer?
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Is there a plugin that changes the words "gun control" to literally anything else like that "bitcoin"->"buttcoin" one?
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greatn posted:What it demonstrates to me is you have poor reading comprehension. You went into a gently caress you anti NRA rant against someone making an anti-gun post. The quote does demonstrate the concerns of gun rights person isn't on the same planet as the concerns of the rest of the country, but in the exact opposite way of how you read it. That wasn't my rant, genius.
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zoux posted:What that quote demonstrates to me is that the concerns of the gun rights person isn't even on the same planet as the concerns of the rest of the country. No loving poo poo.
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zoux posted:It's true I loving loooooove guns. Oh sorry, misread you; that's my bad bro. I stand by my proposal though.
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Oct 12, 2015 16:13
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Where are these "extreme liberals" that are supposedly the counterpoint to the Tea Party that I keep hearing about in various popular media? Yep each party definitely has equal numbers of unreasonably insane people!!! For sure, really!
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Looks like gun owners were right to be paranoid, cause it's just coming out that Obama is planning to make an executive order for comprehensive firearm confiscation: http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/12/us/confiscation-is-coming-obama-to-issue-executive-order
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Monkey Fracas posted:Where are these "extreme liberals" that are supposedly the counterpoint to the Tea Party that I keep hearing about in various popular media? They are on anime communist twitter.
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Armyman25 posted:Why shouldn't I be able to own a silencer? For safety reasons, if a gun is being fired somewhere people in the vicinity should be able to hear it and respond appropriately by calling police or locking down if they are in a place where there shouldn't be gunfire.
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I am actually vaugely impressed by the Freedom Caucus's current speaker strategy - demanding that they get structural reforms that will boost their power in exchange for allowing Ryan to be speaker. They haven't thought through all of them, of course, but it's not a bad strategy once you accept their insane worldview. If they manage to get those reforms they seriously weaken the Speaker's power to marginalize them and it would be virtually impossible to then force through a reversal of those changes later on. I can't see Ryan being willing to accept the Speakership on those terms. It'll be hell with Boehner's powers - it will be even more misery without them.
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zoux posted:What that quote demonstrates to me is that the concerns of the gun rights person isn't even on the same planet as the concerns of the rest of the country. The state of gun laws we have now demonstrates the logical conclusion of exalting individual rights to the detriment of society as a whole. We fetishize "individual liberty" even if it means the rest of society has to suffer for it.  Also see the debt ceiling debacle each time it comes up. American Conservatives are willing to throw the rest of society and the world economy to the fire as long as they can satiate whatever desire for personal freedom and notion of responsibility is necessary, even if it flies in the face of reality. I guess that is what happens when you turn Ayn Rand into a role model and idol. Teriyaki Koinku fucked around with this message at 16:21 on Oct 12, 2015 |
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Armyman25 posted:Why shouldn't I be able to own a silencer? Why should you?
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Nintendo Kid posted:Why should you? To protect my hearing and the hearing of those around me. Guns are loud. greatn posted:For safety reasons, if a gun is being fired somewhere people in the vicinity should be able to hear it and respond appropriately by calling police or locking down if they are in a place where there shouldn't be gunfire. You're a "loud pipes save lives" kind've, guy, aren't you?
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greatn posted:For safety reasons, if a gun is being fired somewhere people in the vicinity should be able to hear it and respond appropriately by calling police or locking down if they are in a place where there shouldn't be gunfire. Silencers do not work like they do in the movies. They reduce the noise from "immediate hearing damage to the shooter" to "temporary hearing damage to the shooter"
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Monkey Fracas posted:Where are these "extreme liberals" that are supposedly the counterpoint to the Tea Party that I keep hearing about in various popular media? You don't need facts, just suitable head canon.
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Armyman25 posted:To protect my hearing and the hearing of those around me. Guns are loud. Don't shoot them. Concerns about hearing damage and the protection offered thereof from silencers are purely a range shooting issue. Gun Hobbying Trumps Lives Always.
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zoux posted:You know what? gently caress you. I'm sick of reading poo poo like this from gun owners. The NRA has been nothing but reasonable. The NRA has been entirely too reasonable. is this a real post? Armyman25 posted:To protect my hearing and the hearing of those around me. Guns are loud. Silenced guns are still too loud to shoot without hearing protection. Thanks for playing, try again next time
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zoux posted:Don't shoot them. So no one has a good reason to ban them, outside of an image they have from movies?
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zoux posted:Bradys, This is my favorite part of this big ol' dumb TFR post. Yes, how dare a man permanently paralyzed by a lunatic with a gun want to ban all guns.
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zoux posted:Concerns about hearing damage and the protection offered thereof from silencers are purely a range shooting issue. Gun Hobbying Trumps Lives Always. How would a silencer, flash suppressor or muzzle brake or whatever else have stopped any shooting? Recall none of these things can be (effectively) used with pistols so we're only talking about rifles.
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Armyman25 posted:To protect my hearing and the hearing of those around me. Guns are loud. So wear hearing protection whiner.
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icantfindaname posted:is this a real post? It is. It is not a real zoux post however
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evilweasel posted:I am actually vaugely impressed by the Freedom Caucus's current speaker strategy - demanding that they get structural reforms that will boost their power in exchange for allowing Ryan to be speaker. They haven't thought through all of them, of course, but it's not a bad strategy once you accept their insane worldview. If they manage to get those reforms they seriously weaken the Speaker's power to marginalize them and it would be virtually impossible to then force through a reversal of those changes later on. Ryan's allies have already come out and said that the only way Ryan would ever accept the speakership is with absolute, unconditional support from the entire Republican caucus. So yeah, the Freedom Caucus's list of demands is pretty much a non-starter.
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Armyman25 posted:To protect my hearing and the hearing of those around me. Guns are loud. Wear some loving earmuffs, they're cheaper anyway. And I know very well how much silencers reduce the sound of gunfire, I've used guns at a range with and without, thanks. They reduce it significantly enough that it would lessen the range from which you would hear gunfire significantly, especially if the gunfire were in a building. Your comparison to motorcycle guys modding their vehicles to be louder is childish.
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