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Who is the man??
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Goku 202 7.09%
Vegeta 279 9.79%
Krillin 208 7.30%
Piccolo or his nameks 212 7.44%
Gohan or Cool Gohan 135 4.74%
Yamcha 90 3.16%
Tien 120 4.21%
Muten Roshi 89 3.12%
Tao Pai Pai 71 2.49%
Frieza 69 2.42%
Cell or an android 86 3.02%
Buu 62 2.18%
Hercule "Mark" Satan 327 11.48%
Videl 90 3.16%
Bulma 104 3.65%
Yajirobe 99 3.47%
Ginyu or other Frieza squad guy 68 2.39%
King kai or another kai 53 1.86%
Chi-Chi 83 2.91%
Goten 43 1.51%
Trunks or Cool Trunks 112 3.93%
Bardock 48 1.68%
Other villain of DB,Z, or GT(please post about it!) 41 1.44%
Uub 42 1.47%
Oolong 90 3.16%
Zamasu 26 0.91%
Total: 1326 votes
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Fuego Fish
Dec 5, 2004

By tooth and claw!

Aurora posted:

Where's that guy who's making the tabletop game?

What up.

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sharktamer
Oct 30, 2011

Shark tamer ridiculous
Someone summoned you for your fanfiction powers.

Amorphous Blob
Jun 26, 2009

by Lowtax

(and can't post for 2 years!)

Fanon AU where Goten is born in the bad future timeline and gets raised by Trunks Piccolo style and he becomes the next defender of Earth.

ImpAtom
May 24, 2007

I know there's goofy extended-univerese stuff that explains where most of the characters are, like Gohan making his own book and stuff. Is there anything that explains what Goten goes on to do?

Amorphous Blob
Jun 26, 2009

by Lowtax

(and can't post for 2 years!)

Uses superpowers and charming personality to pick up girls. GT is canon.

New Leaf
Jul 24, 2013

Dragon Balls? Are they tasty?
So I just finished reading Dragonball.. I thought Goku had some kind of adventures with Chi-Chi after beating Piccolo, but it just kinda ends with him flying away with her in tow. I know I've seen some video of him and Chi-Chi meeting Grandpa Gohan. Was that just anime filler?

Covok
May 27, 2013

Yet where is that woman now? Tell me, in what heave does she reside? None of them. Because no God bothered to listen or care. If that is what you think it means to be a God, then you and all your teachings are welcome to do as that poor women did. And vanish from these realms forever.

New Leaf posted:

So I just finished reading Dragonball.. I thought Goku had some kind of adventures with Chi-Chi after beating Piccolo, but it just kinda ends with him flying away with her in tow. I know I've seen some video of him and Chi-Chi meeting Grandpa Gohan. Was that just anime filler?

Yeah, that was all anime filler.

Fuego Fish
Dec 5, 2004

By tooth and claw!

sharktamer posted:

Someone summoned you for your fanfiction powers.

I don't really have those.

Comrade Blyatlov
Aug 4, 2007


should have picked four fingers





Ytlaya posted:

One thing that bugged me some about the Cell Saga is how Goku was only slightly weaker than Cell after choosing not to train anymore after the initial less than a day in the time chamber. If he had decided to train more, even if he didn't reach SSJ2 he still probably could have made enough of a difference to defeat Cell (he had more than a year left in the time chamber). Actually, why didn't Vegeta/Trunks achieve the "full power super saiyan" thing prior to the Cell Games? They figured out what Goku/Gohan did after they came out of the chamber and then supposedly went back in themselves to train, so I'm surprised they didn't also train in the same way. It was also kind of strange that Gohan, who should have been at least as strong as Goku in his SSJ1 form, was getting owned by Cell (whereas Goku could fight evenly with him until getting worn out). Then again, DBZ has never really cared much about consistency.

Regarding Gohan getting owned, I like the scene where Piccolo is like "your son doesn't enjoy fighting like you and is scared right now" and then Goku has this look of utter terror at the huge mistake he has made. I like how they made it clear that what Goku did was really stupid and wrong, and how (at least) one of the Z fighters would have died before Gohan went SSJ2 if not for Satan throwing Android 16's head.


I understand the concept behind the appearance of SSJ4, I just think it looks really goofy for them to become all covered in fur and get a thick mane of hair. Dragonball has always seemed light-hearted first and foremost, but the SSJ4 form (and SSJ3 also for that matter) gives this "omg this guy is so fuckin hardcore (linkin park playing in the background)" vibe.

while we're on the topic of cell one thing that bothers me is that yeah, goku basically fights him to a standstill then loses by putting all his bets on the kamehameha finishing him off. cell wins but barely.

then he fights gohan and after gohan goes ssj2 he goes MWA HA actually i was holding back this entire time! i mean he still gets chumped but does that mean he was loving around with goku the whole time? is that why he was encouraging goku to take a senzu bean, bbecause he was still actually holding back?

idgi i mean it kind of makes goku's whole fight meaningless

Namtab
Feb 22, 2010

Yes, cell was holding back against goku. Goku could not have beaten perfect cell

Namtab
Feb 22, 2010

The point of the fight was so that gohan could see cell's fighting style and get a feel for cell's power. Remember all those conversations where gohan is convinced that goku is holding back because he's comparing gokus power to his own.

Mordaedil
Oct 25, 2007

Oh wow, cool. Good job.
So?
Grimey Drawer
It doesn't make Goku's fight meaningless, because it sets up how loving strong Gohan must be when he could have done everything Goku could have done.

Ruggington
Apr 21, 2012

My favorite cell sage scene is goku powering up after coming out of the time chamber and everyone quivering in awe while gohan is just standing there, confused about why everyone is so impressed

Comrade Blyatlov
Aug 4, 2007


should have picked four fingers





eh i more meant scenes like where cell is panting for breath but smirking because he knows he's winning don't really seem to match up with him revealing he was actually holding back this whole time

i get that goku couldn't win, that's pretty obvious

or maybe i'm just griping, who gives a poo poo really

Namtab
Feb 22, 2010

The goku part of cell makes him him hold back for a better fight

Josuke Higashikata
Mar 7, 2013


The Satan part makes him perfect.

HGH
Dec 20, 2011

ImpAtom posted:

I know there's goofy extended-univerese stuff that explains where most of the characters are, like Gohan making his own book and stuff. Is there anything that explains what Goten goes on to do?
He and Trunks open a swordfighting school. I think.

Covok
May 27, 2013

Yet where is that woman now? Tell me, in what heave does she reside? None of them. Because no God bothered to listen or care. If that is what you think it means to be a God, then you and all your teachings are welcome to do as that poor women did. And vanish from these realms forever.
I think the point of the Goku fight was two-fold: give the audience what they've been waiting for and establish Cell is above Goku thus, later on, establishing that Gohan has surpassed his father when he beats Cell.

Condiv
May 7, 2008

Sorry to undo the effort of paying a domestic abuser $10 to own this poster, but I am going to lose my dang mind if I keep seeing multiple posters who appear to be Baloogan.

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man that poll is all kinds of hosed up...

krillin at #4 barely above goku? wtf is wrong with you sick freaks

Ytlaya
Nov 13, 2005

Yorkshire Tea posted:

A couple of reasons. Basically the Hyperbolic Time chamber is like being tortured for a year, Goku and Gohan come out when Goku feels they're sufficiently strong and staying in might hurt them more than it helps by exhausting them. When Vegeta goes in the second time he gains almost nothing because his body is already completely exhausted from the first time. Revival of F sortof calls back to this when Whis says that the biggest thing that holds Vegeta back from being as strong as Goku is that he's unwilling to take rest when he needs it so he always gets less out of training. It's like if you tried to revise for an exam for an entire week without sleeping. You'd do great maybe the first and second day, but by the third the guy who's been getting his regular 8 hours is just going to absorb more when he does work.

Eh, but he could just go into the hyperbolic time chamber and chill out in the hot tub for 2 months before beginning training in earnest. It's not like he has to spend every waking hour training in there and it's clearly possible to do things like sleep, so it's not like you're experiencing nonstop suffering. I attribute Goku stopping the training to him just being really confident that Gohan will end up going SSJ2 and winning against Cell (which, while it ended up being true, was still really dumb when considering the fact that the fate of the Earth was at stake). It does make sense that Vegeta is always worse than Goku due to overtraining, though.

Regarding Gohan not fighting against Cell; even though he had psyched himself up, he's still a child and Cell is super scary and intimidating. So I don't blame him for not fighting at his full potential.

New Leaf
Jul 24, 2013

Dragon Balls? Are they tasty?
I think my biggest problem with the Cell thing is that he wasn't any more intimidating than Frieza, and Gohan didn't hold back then - plus he'd had a lot more combat experience by the time they got to Cell. It just didn't make a whole lot of sense.

Namtab
Feb 22, 2010

New Leaf posted:

I think my biggest problem with the Cell thing is that he wasn't any more intimidating than Frieza, and Gohan didn't hold back then - plus he'd had a lot more combat experience by the time they got to Cell. It just didn't make a whole lot of sense.

Yes he did, gohan held back except when he was really mad

Namtab
Feb 22, 2010

What got ss2 going was him being told that it's ok to get mad and stay mad

Comrade Blyatlov
Aug 4, 2007


should have picked four fingers





Covok posted:

I think the point of the Goku fight was two-fold: give the audience what they've been waiting for and establish Cell is above Goku thus, later on, establishing that Gohan has surpassed his father when he beats Cell.

Yes this was outright stated. The point that seems weird is cell clearly being exhausted by the time goku gives up and gladly eating a senzu (pretty much acknowledging he was worn out) then going well mwa ha I have yet to actually fight at my FULL strength like if that's true then why did you need a senzu and well there we go I've put more thought into it than toriyama did

Ruggington
Apr 21, 2012

toriyama didn't think about the padding scenes that they put in to stretch out the anime

Comrade Blyatlov
Aug 4, 2007


should have picked four fingers





Ruggington posted:

toriyama didn't think about the padding scenes that they put in to stretch out the anime

WELL HE SHOULD HAVE

I didn't realise that was padding that makes sense

Covok
May 27, 2013

Yet where is that woman now? Tell me, in what heave does she reside? None of them. Because no God bothered to listen or care. If that is what you think it means to be a God, then you and all your teachings are welcome to do as that poor women did. And vanish from these realms forever.

Two Finger posted:

Yes this was outright stated. The point that seems weird is cell clearly being exhausted by the time goku gives up and gladly eating a senzu (pretty much acknowledging he was worn out) then going well mwa ha I have yet to actually fight at my FULL strength like if that's true then why did you need a senzu and well there we go I've put more thought into it than toriyama did

Oh, my bad. I misunderstood the question.

Mraagvpeine
Nov 4, 2014

I won this avatar on a technicality this thick.
Maybe Cell was saving some energy just in case he needed to blow up the Earth (he's a bad loser).

Rigged Death Trap
Feb 13, 2012

BEEP BEEP BEEP BEEP

Mraagvpeine posted:

Maybe Cell was saving some energy just in case he needed to blow up the Earth (he's a bad loser).

Whelp there's the frieza in him.

Ytlaya
Nov 13, 2005

I think we should all take a moment to reflect upon the fact that Krillin and Yamcha are both demigods who could effortlessly destroy the planet and conquer worlds.

Nessus
Dec 22, 2003

After a Speaker vote, you may be entitled to a valuable coupon or voucher!



Maybe Cell wasn't fully aware of the zenkai poo poo, so after he ate the senzu bean he got one and was like "hm, I see, this must be my HIDDEN TRUE PERFECT POWER."

Also I think in the DBO book, Gohan authors a textbook with do it yourself instructions on how to learn ki powers, which had previously been rare esoteric things. This is why you have hundreds of people farting around with ki powers.

Ytlaya
Nov 13, 2005

Nessus posted:

Also I think in the DBO book, Gohan authors a textbook with do it yourself instructions on how to learn ki powers, which had previously been rare esoteric things. This is why you have hundreds of people farting around with ki powers.

Yeah, and apparently Krillin and Tien start their own martial arts schools (the New Turtle School and New Crane School respectively, I think) and Trunks/Goten start some school based around using swords.

(I spent a while reading random articles on the DB wiki last night.)

Condiv
May 7, 2008

Sorry to undo the effort of paying a domestic abuser $10 to own this poster, but I am going to lose my dang mind if I keep seeing multiple posters who appear to be Baloogan.

With love,
a mod


Ytlaya posted:

I think we should all take a moment to reflect upon the fact that Krillin and Yamcha are both demigods who could effortlessly destroy the planet and conquer worlds.

would be pretty ironic if krillin became the next freeza. i'd also watch that

Stairmaster
Jun 8, 2012

Namtab posted:

*looks at this post through my scouter* AIDS

sharktamer
Oct 30, 2011

Shark tamer ridiculous
Mr Satan is a bitch.

Farecoal
Oct 15, 2011

There he go

Condiv posted:

would be pretty ironic if krillin became the next freeza. i'd also watch that

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzCV-euFDhQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irJDWkgobLI

Mogomra
Nov 5, 2005

simply having a wonderful time

sharktamer posted:

Mr Satan is a bitch.

Ytlaya
Nov 13, 2005


I don't know what I was expecting, but I lol'd when Krillin transformed into Tien.

TheKingofSprings
Oct 9, 2012

New Leaf posted:

I think my biggest problem with the Cell thing is that he wasn't any more intimidating than Frieza, and Gohan didn't hold back then - plus he'd had a lot more combat experience by the time they got to Cell. It just didn't make a whole lot of sense.

Gohan didn't think he could possibly kill Frieza.

He knew he could kill Cell.

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Kuroyama
Sep 15, 2012
no fucking Anime in GiP

Caros posted:

Yeah, the thing about Trunks' super buff form is that it ups his strength to a ridiculous level (pretty close to Super Saiyan 2 levels of raw strength is Cell is to be believed) but it bleeds energy like crazy and is actually an overall speed decrease from the Super Vegeta buff form that smacks cell's second form around like a rag doll.

Trunks is still significantly stronger when he comes out of the hypersonic lion tamer than he was going in. He's got the same upgraded form as Vegeta which can clown semi perfect cell and would have easily been enough for the androids, its just that he also developed a kicking rad super strength version that is also slow as balls.

Wasn't it that Vegeta could have bulked up as much as Trunks did, but he realized that the costs outweighed the benefits?

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