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then handed the entire loving thing over to google and apple while plugging their ears and screaming the Canadian national anthem
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ahmeni posted:then handed the entire loving thing over to google and apple while plugging their ears and screaming the Canadian national anthem even microsoft's doing better than them which is hillarious
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also i don't think they did much to get carriers pushing data, they were building edge only devices and telling everyone how great their low data usage was way past the point it became obvious they had lost their market.
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browsing the web on a black berry using edge "tolerable" just loving lol
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blackberries were garbage for anything other than email and bbm. they may technically be considered smartphones, but none of those other features were usable in any way
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The Management posted:blackberries were garbage
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no, none of this revisionist bullshit. they were email pagers with increasingly broken and poorly implemented features tacked on over the years. they ran like rear end and did nothing but messaging even remotely well. their mdm solution was such a ridiculous mess of hacks that it managed to use more resources and be less stable then early 2000s exchange. they were poo poo from a butt and their only "advantage" was their early entry in the market
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it's not revisionist, I'm not saying any of it was any good at all. it was all a nightmare for the consumer and the enterprise but it made the carriers a pissload of money selling data bundles and set the stage for the other smartphones to start thrashing you can see the death throes of this in the blackberry storm as Verizon was desperate to claw users back to the old cash cow style
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nobody called blackberries smartphones before the iphone came out. they were blackberries. smartphones were a thing IT nerds used and they came from companies like Palm and HP. it was only after the iphone came and upended the cell phone industry, when everyone wanted a smartphone that blackberry started claiming to have invented the smartphone.
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my grandpa had a treo, it was cool
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atomicthumbs posted:my grandpa had a treo, it was cool your grandpa is loving old
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CamH posted:your grandpa is loving old He is dead now.
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atomicthumbs posted:He is dead now. im sorry to hear that he is in a better place
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also i remember seeing google map that you can scroll around or some sort on the blackberry and it was amazing in 2006 or so
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CamH posted:im sorry to hear that
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i remember being a fool and owning a blackberry back in the pre-iphone days on verizon. back then you couldn't use the built-in gps unit with anything buy vzw navigator. gently caress you verizon.
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DaNzA posted:also i remember seeing google map that you can scroll around or some sort on the blackberry and it was amazing in 2006 or so do you remember that you had to use a tiny plastic trackball to do it?
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Origin posted:gently caress you verizon.
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Oct 8, 2015 15:27
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Blackberry Pearls were huge in the consumer space for a year or two between dumbphones fading out and the rise of iPhone/Android, and they were a shitload of people's first smartphones. They were pretty crap but so was everything else in the space then.
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I'm still waiting on the blackberry storm 3!!! now with native exchange integration instead of some weird OWA wrapper app that you hardcoded your credentials in to
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in case anyone forgot, rim's solution to bleeding customers like mad to the iphone once activesync support was released and IT not putting up BES servers was to take your OWA credentials, send them either to your carrier or waterloo (not sure which, whoever actually owned the BIS gateways) where the gateway would log in to your OWA account and form a persistent connection where it looked for new items in your inbox, parsed them, and then reformed the message in to whatever the native mail client used and shipped it down your BIS conduit. it's a miracle that poo poo never got hacked
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BangersInMyKnickers posted:in case anyone forgot, rim's solution to bleeding customers like mad to the iphone once activesync support was released and IT not putting up BES servers was to take your OWA credentials, send them either to your carrier or waterloo (not sure which, whoever actually owned the BIS gateways) where the gateway would log in to your OWA account and form a persistent connection where it looked for new items in your inbox, parsed them, and then reformed the message in to whatever the native mail client used and shipped it down your BIS conduit. it's a miracle that poo poo never got hacked
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wyoak posted:Doesn't Microsoft's Outlook app for iOS do practically same thing? Minus the java yes. there is literally no reason for it to exist either
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wyoak posted:Blackberry Pearls were huge in the consumer space for a year or two between dumbphones fading out and the rise of iPhone/Android, and they were a shitload of people's first smartphones. They were pretty crap but so was everything else in the space then.
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wyoak posted:Doesn't Microsoft's Outlook app for iOS do practically same thing? Minus the java No, it has a self-contained activesync connector that bypasses the system one but its still a proper connection instead of some OWA hack. Similar to what the Good mail app does
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BangersInMyKnickers posted:No, it has a self-contained activesync connector that bypasses the system one but its still a proper connection instead of some OWA hack. Similar to what the Good mail app does if that's the case then they rebuilt it. it wasn't an owa hack before but it did store your credentials in the "cloud" backend, pull the mail to that, then push to the outlook app. so your credentials were still being stored on someone else's server, which is problematic.
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That could still be the case. Our bigger concerns was the app allows you to completely bypass the exchange security policies so we banned it outright for that alone. You do have the problem with apps only being able to run in the background for a limited period of time and forming the activesync connection from a server and then sending push notifications down from there to your phone would get you around that problem. I never bothered tracking down exactly where the connection was being initiated from, though I do trust MS to handle credential storage better than rim
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BangersInMyKnickers posted:That could still be the case. Our bigger concerns was the app allows you to completely bypass the exchange security policies so we banned it outright for that alone. yeah, this is also a major issue, no remote wipe or pin enforcement either. it's such a horribly bad idea in general, i have no idea why they made it other than our brand
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infernal machines posted:yeah, this is also a major issue, no remote wipe or pin enforcement either. it's such a horribly bad idea in general, i have no idea why they made it other than our brand it was an acquisition of a 3rd party mail app that did a few nice things so they rebranded it was outlook and rolled with it
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wyoak posted:Blackberrys Pearl ft4u
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this hasn't been discussed yet?quote:At a panel interview at Code/Mobile, BlackBerry CEO John Chen has said that the company might quit the hardware business if it isn't profitable by next year. He said that he "never says never" to shutting down its device business and perhaps focus entirely on providing security services to other platforms. http://www.engadget.com/2015/10/08/blackberry-could-shut-down-hardware-division-if-not-profitable-b/
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lol "security services", from the company that hands out its private keys to any country that threatens to ban them.
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i heard blackberry is coming back in a big way
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wyoak posted:Blackberry Pearls were huge in the consumer space for a year or two between dumbphones fading out and the rise of iPhone/Android, and they were a shitload of people's first smartphones. They were pretty crap but so was everything else in the space then. The Dodge Neon/Pontiac Sunfire/Chevy Cavalier of phones. After putting up with one of those as a first phone, you move to Apple/Android (Honda/VW, respectively), and never look back.
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infernal machines posted:lol "security services", from the company that hands out its private keys to any country that threatens to ban them. THIS IS UNFAIR. THIS INTERVIEW IS OVER
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Mister Macys posted:The Dodge Neon/Pontiac Sunfire/Chevy Cavalier of phones. After putting up with one of those as a first phone, you move to Apple/Android (Honda/VW, respectively), and never look back. thanks for this, a car analogy
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ah yes, those other platforms that need blackberry's software and are also willing to pay for it. I can think of so many, such as
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Origin posted:i remember being a fool and owning a blackberry back in the pre-iphone days on verizon. back then you couldn't use the built-in gps unit with anything buy vzw navigator. gently caress you verizon. I have no idea how they got away with it but it was hella lol because the "gps" (actually mobile station based assisted gps) was fully functional but internally the required host was set blank and vzw navigator could just init the driver with its own host and be fine. in canada they pulled the same poo poo with a rebranded vzw navigator but would get pissy if you used the telus host but the Verizon host worked fine
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The Management posted:ah yes, those other platforms that need blackberry's software and are also willing to pay for it. I can think of so many, such as pockets of Canadian government that haven't wrestled fully free and creative accounting of qnx partners perhaps
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ahmeni posted:in canada they pulled the same poo poo with a rebranded vzw navigator but would get pissy if you used the telus host but the Verizon host worked fine
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