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Friday I'm In Love was released in 1992, this is the best evidence.
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All that stuff, while ridiculous, is still a way better plot than what we actually got. I would have eaten that poo poo up.
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Oct 13, 2015 04:04
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I don't mind the plot we got. It does sort of just... end without ending though. I'm not even sure Kingdom of the Flies would have fixed that. In one way though I'm kind of okay with that. There could have been a big dramatic "Big Boss has just knocked off someone and has completed his transition into villain." or like the construction of the MG1 Metal Gear, or even Big Boss talking about making a nation of soldiers so soldiers will never be forgotten (even at the end he talks about making a world where Soldiers aren't necessary) Instead there's the reveal and life goes on. It's a strange feeling.
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Oct 13, 2015 04:51
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It'd be hilarious if MGSV ended with the MG1 because it'd just look so lovely next to the Sahel and Battle Gear.
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Oct 13, 2015 04:54
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One thing I really liked about MGS4 was that it was constantly referencing past games with little poo poo. It rewarded you for knowing the lore of all the games. MGS5 has a few Peace Walker references, says Les Enfants Terribles a couple times, and tries to shoe in Liquid Snake and that's about it. Where the gently caress was Johnny Sasaki??
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SynthOrange posted:It'd be hilarious if MGSV ended with the MG1 because it'd just look so lovely next to the Sahel and Battle Gear. Well he no longer has Huey or Strangelove, so it would be constructed by whatever geeks were left in Diamond Dogs R&D "Yes, I know Sahel and Battle Gear and Zeke all looked super loving awesome, but you know what, Neither of the two super geniuses who built it are here anymore, so instead of AI pods, child pilots, human modes and other masturbatory bullshit, you're getting a weapons platform and you will like it!" EDIT: And then Venom is just eventually like "Yeah gently caress it, who can stop it anyway. One dude on foot with grenades? That's loving stupid." Onmi fucked around with this message at 05:00 on Oct 13, 2015 |
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Oct 13, 2015 04:57
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Snak posted:I already did. It wasn't very exciting. gimme a second and I'll link the relevant posts. I prefer the theory that the game is an in-universe TV show based on "the untold stories of Big Boss" created in post-MGS4 times. It explains the credits for every mission, the licensed soundtrack, the anachronisms, the bizarre tech advances, having a big fuckoff Metal Gear even compared to games later in the timeline, Huey's character (making him as dislikeable as possible so the audience has someone to hate in case they like Skullface), the return of Paz (she was a popular character so she was brought back without actually retconning her death), the ending going to crap (as frequently happens to long plot based series), the changes to Big Boss (it makes for good drama to have to deal with his missing arm and horn), why he's now voiced by Keifer Sutherland and has a different, quieter personality, etc., etc., etc.
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Oct 13, 2015 05:28
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Ometeotl posted:the changes to Big Boss (it makes for good drama to have to deal with his missing arm and horn), why he's now voiced by Keifer Sutherland and has a different, quieter personality, etc., etc., etc. Uh Actually does anyone have any good pics of the bb model and the venom model? I wanna see how different they are from one another.
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Oct 13, 2015 05:59
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SolidSnakesBandana posted:One thing I really liked about MGS4 was that it was constantly referencing past games with little poo poo. It rewarded you for knowing the lore of all the games. MGS5 has a few Peace Walker references, says Les Enfants Terribles a couple times, and tries to shoe in Liquid Snake and that's about it. Where the gently caress was Johnny Sasaki?? I think you find a cassette tape that's just farting noises by one of the toilets. I took that as Johnny Sasaki.
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Nemesis Of Moles posted:Uh Venom's taller and more muscular, for one thing.
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Oct 13, 2015 06:20
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My favorite part is when the medic and huey kissed passionately on the lips in the R&D platform.
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SolidSnakesBandana posted:One thing I really liked about MGS4 was that it was constantly referencing past games with little poo poo. It rewarded you for knowing the lore of all the games. MGS5 has a few Peace Walker references, says Les Enfants Terribles a couple times, and tries to shoe in Liquid Snake and that's about it. Where the gently caress was Johnny Sasaki?? I think this is an honest expression of what a number of people who didn't like MGSV actually feel. It's an aesthetic issue they have, where there are insufficient obvious signifiers that "this is metal gear". They then doll it up with notions of canonicity and "plot" to lend more legitimacy to their feelings. Of course, this game is very metal gear, just a bit more aesthetically subdued. Thematically, it follows with the rest of the series very well!
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Liquid Penguins posted:My favorite part is when the medic and huey kissed passionately on the lips in the R&D platform. "I didn't kiss him! Miller was the one who kissed him! And even if I did kiss him, Ocelot is gay so you can't judge me!"
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Yeah Bro posted:I think this is an honest expression of what a number of people who didn't like MGSV actually feel. It's an aesthetic issue they have, where there are insufficient obvious signifiers that "this is metal gear". They then doll it up with notions of canonicity and "plot" to lend more legitimacy to their feelings. Of course, this game is very metal gear, just a bit more aesthetically subdued. Thematically, it follows with the rest of the series very well! *thoughtful nod*
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net cafe scandal posted:*thoughtful nod* Thank you for reading. I hope you had as much fun reading this as I had writing it 
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Oct 13, 2015 06:36
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SolidSnakesBandana posted:One thing I really liked about MGS4 was that it was constantly referencing past games with little poo poo. It rewarded you for knowing the lore of all the games. MGS5 has a few Peace Walker references, says Les Enfants Terribles a couple times, and tries to shoe in Liquid Snake and that's about it. Where the gently caress was Johnny Sasaki?? My favorite of the references illiterate's like this noob missed is the BigS hell reference.
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Oct 13, 2015 06:42
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My favorite theory was that MGSV would literally just be about Big Boss being tortured in Hell, forced to relive his worst moments in life over and over again, suffering for his war crimes. "Punished Snake" indeed. In a way that's not too far from what we actually got, though Big Boss cowardly manipulates Venom into dealing with all of this.
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Oct 13, 2015 07:13
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I actually sort of like the disconnected nature of MGS V. It's easier to sell people on it. Even if some things don't make sense (People don't understand the significance of Eli) I will say for games that ended an 'arc' this kicks the ever loving poo poo out of MGS 4. MGS 4 is just loving depressing with Snake always dying and coughing and hobbling about pathetically. MGS V has the same sort of "I'm old as gently caress." without literally making the protagonist look like a feeble pathetic old man.
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Oct 13, 2015 08:39
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I actually really like how every deployment opens with Snake sitting silently in the chopper with a thousand yard stare. It's even better in the postgame when you can play using your true face. Although Jungle Boogie kicking in undercuts the mood a little.
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Oct 13, 2015 08:44
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I've been using John Cena's theme song as my chopper tune ever since I unlocked the speakers, and it's probably doubled my enjoyment of the game overall.
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Oct 13, 2015 09:10
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Big Boss did nothing wrong
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Broseph Brostar posted:Grey Fox's back story is already a big mess. I don't think Kojima can do anything but make it worse by shoving him into another game. I mean I know he says that every game it's his last game but even as far back as MGS1 I think this quote is kinda telling "If I knew MGS1 was not the last game in the series I wouldn't have killed Liquid" He does a bunch of poo poo to just be like, IT'S DONE THERE BYE and then had to undo it
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Oct 13, 2015 11:46
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Snak posted:So, as I was first playing MGSV, and there was all this forshadowing of things not being what they seemed, I started to form some crazy theories about what the twist was going to be. This is incredible actually. You wrote a better game than they did. Too bad nobody speaks Arabic in the game but yeah Liquid spends like... 5 years in Iraq?
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Oct 13, 2015 11:49
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Every MGS is just a mishmash of Kojima's current obsession on the year he sketched out the design document with the insane plot and characters molded to fit whatever came out. The fact that it works really well 90% of the time and comes full circle to some pretty great stories is just a testament to his talent.
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Oct 13, 2015 11:51
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In regards to Skull Face, really my only expectation was that when they said a whole bunch that he was someone from Big Boss' past, I was expecting that he'd be someone from Big Boss' past, and not like, the past of the Metal Gear universe. As it is, they pretty much made up his existence entirely out of nowhere for Ground Zeroes and MGS 5 and that kinda sucks. He didn't even know the guy. There's no personal connection. I didn't think it would literally be a character from MGS3 or Peace Walker since there aren't many of those that don't already have a full history, but someone Big Boss could have reasonably known/known about would've been nice.
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Oct 13, 2015 11:53
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Snak posted:MGS1 - Miller is Liquid is your Brother?! That said, a giant twist about it being the 90s etc would have been way better but typical Kojima duped all our expectations as usual and didn't have a good twist at all.
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Oct 13, 2015 11:56
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Maybe the twist was that there was no twist for real because we were waiting for it and it was spoiled in the first few moments of game.
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CJacobs posted:In regards to Skull Face, really my only expectation was that when they said a whole bunch that he was someone from Big Boss' past, I was expecting that he'd be someone from Big Boss' past, and not like, the past of the Metal Gear universe. As it is, they pretty much made up his existence entirely out of nowhere for Ground Zeroes and MGS 5 and that kinda sucks. He didn't even know the guy. There's no personal connection. I didn't think it would literally be a character from MGS3 or Peace Walker since there aren't many of those that don't already have a full history, but someone Big Boss could have reasonably known/known about would've been nice. I think the Skull Face character works because his shittiness is consistent through his arc. He comes out of nowhere and is supposed to be a mystery character from the past. He turns out to be a complete nobody with a terrible plan who dies without a boss fight. He isn't the arch-villain who's constantly one-step ahead of Miller and Venom, that's only who he thinks he is. He's actually self-absorbed douchebag that messed with the wrong people, and those people methodically hunt him down and dismember him with a shotgun. You could give him credit for disabling Zero, but that really was cutting the head off the Hydra. Zero went vegetable and was replaced by Sigint and his AI Patriots.
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DaveKap posted:Fixed that for ya... The game does start and end in 1995.
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I'm still not sure why Skull Face thought it was a good idea to gently caress with Big Boss. Ignorance isn't even an excuse because he was in on Snake Eater, he knows what the man is capable of. He outsniped the inventor of sniping, beat the greatest soldier ever even though she was his mentor, and rolled Volgin. Sure, he had help and other people were spies but Snake won those fights while horribly maimed, maybe don't do something that horribly maims him or threatens to? What the gently caress did Skull Face think was going to happen?
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Oct 13, 2015 17:35
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He didnt fight that guy though he fought some random guy who stood next to him once
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Oct 13, 2015 17:49
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Skull Face has about the same level of cunning and characterization as Cobra Commander so maybe don't burn too many brain cells trying to figure him out.
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In the other thread I posted some examples of dialog that could really spice up the Skulls fights.
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Nakar posted:I'm still not sure why Skull Face thought it was a good idea to gently caress with Big Boss. Ignorance isn't even an excuse because he was in on Snake Eater, he knows what the man is capable of. He outsniped the inventor of sniping, beat the greatest soldier ever even though she was his mentor, and rolled Volgin. Sure, he had help and other people were spies but Snake won those fights while horribly maimed, maybe don't do something that horribly maims him or threatens to? But I think Skull Face is characteristically an idiot, whether that was intended by the writing or not. He basically sees Snake as a toady of Zero's to symbolically chump on his way to demolishing Cipher.
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Nakar posted:I'm still not sure why Skull Face thought it was a good idea to gently caress with Big Boss. Ignorance isn't even an excuse because he was in on Snake Eater, he knows what the man is capable of. He outsniped the inventor of sniping, beat the greatest soldier ever even though she was his mentor, and rolled Volgin. Sure, he had help and other people were spies but Snake won those fights while horribly maimed, maybe don't do something that horribly maims him or threatens to? Skull Face knew from prior experiences that Snake will walk right into an obvious trap and get himself captured sooner or later. Instead of immediately executing him like he should, he takes him cruising and shows him his sweet anime robot.
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Broseph Brostar posted:Skull Face knew from prior experiences that Snake will walk right into an obvious trap and get himself captured sooner or later. Instead of immediately executing him like he should, he takes him cruising and shows him his sweet anime robot. The most generous and gracious mgs villain.
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Oct 13, 2015 19:01
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Villains ignoring the main protagonist is such a staple of this kind of fiction that it just shouldn't even register anymore. Just go with it.
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Skull face imagines himself as the big faceless (heh) puppetmaster and refuses to kill who he thought was Big Boss at every point he could. Skullface had him point-blank at Nzo ya Badiabulu but let Fire man do the work. He could have crushed him in Sally's fist in Where the Bees Sleep. The jeep ride. He tells Quiet to let loose and gives her parasites in case the bullets don't work. He has contingencies after contingencies but he seems to forget that those are plan B. This is super ironic. In every other MGS, if a lucky mook kills the hero, the big plan falls apart. Skull face actually, sincerely wants Big Boss dead.
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I remember when skull face was first shown, people were lining up his facial structure with other characters to determine his mysterious identity. Oh wait it's just some douche with a plan that is never referenced in any of the other games.
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SolidSnakesBandana posted:MGSV: it's just some douche with a plan that is never referenced in any of the other games Good thread title material here.
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