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The Kins is just being a contrarian babby, let him be. Nothing interesting will come out of a discussion there, really. Also, this game has quite a bit of GOTY contenders. It's been a good videogame year.
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Actually all video games that came out this year have been bad, hth.
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Oct 13, 2015 17:23
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Baal posted:Actually all video games that came out this year have been bad, hth. they just have bad english dubs it's fine
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Oct 13, 2015 17:26
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you forgot P4:DAN
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Oct 13, 2015 17:26
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gently caress YOU DIAS
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Oct 13, 2015 17:26
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Actually all video games are bad. gently caress video games.
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Dias posted:they just have bad english dubs it's fine Uh, MGSV is not dubbed tyvm.
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Oct 13, 2015 17:27
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Baal, you are more Liam than Liam
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Oct 13, 2015 17:30
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I'm sorry if you think Skull Face was not programmed with that voice, you can't dub nature. Edit: also I don't even really know what that means
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Andrast posted:Actually all video games are bad. I agree. Light novels is where it's at.
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whoooooooooo.bat
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Oct 13, 2015 17:33
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The Kins posted:"Getting 100% comboed in the first second of every round, ragequitting and playing against easy CPUs to convince yourself that you still have something resembling hand-eye co-ordination" is a valid way of playing. The Kins More like The Scrub
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Oct 13, 2015 17:34
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I think part of the problem is people are explaining why the genocide run is bad with "you're gonna have a bad time", which... you'd only get the reference if you did/watched a genocide run so...? The reason why a genocide run is maybe less fun is that it removes most of the bosses, enemy negotiation, and jokes. It does however, get its own jokes, bosses (fantastic, hard ones, too), and story, so calling it the "wrong" way to play is just disingenuous. It also forces you to grind levels, but I honestly don't think that's as bad as everyone's describing it. It's not really a "here, I'm forcing you to play this stupid minigame to prove a point about how minigames are stupid" situation since it's just simple grinding. If wandering around waiting for random encounters to happen was unbearably tedious, Pokémon never would've caught on. It's also weird how many backseat gaming-y comments of "you NEVER need to use the fight command, Matt, never EVER" there are, even though that's a straight-up lie. You need to fight Ice Cap and take his hat to properly spare him, for instance.
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Oct 13, 2015 17:39
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You never have to hit ice cap to steal his hat.
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Oct 13, 2015 17:41
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While there is no bad way to play Undertale for the first time, I think there is a preferred playthrough for showing off as far an LP goes. So I'm glad Matt did go back and start a pacifist run.
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Oct 13, 2015 17:42
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Baal posted:You never have to hit ice cap to steal his hat. Oh, really? How else can you do it? Genuinely don't know.
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Oct 13, 2015 17:42
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If you ignore him enough he becomes agitated and you can steal his cap at that point while he's off his guard.
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Oct 13, 2015 17:43
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Heroic Yoshimitsu posted:While there is no bad way to play Undertale for the first time, I think there is a preferred playthrough for showing off as far an LP goes. So I'm glad Matt did go back and start a pacifist run. Yeah if you want to see the most stuff without having to replay the game again pacifist the first time is the way to go. It takes away some of the player agency since your not going in blind and killing monsters but there's really no way avoid that when a game blows up like this.
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Pigbuster posted:I think part of the problem is people are explaining why the genocide run is bad with "you're gonna have a bad time", which... you'd only get the reference if you did/watched a genocide run so...? Well, you're subjecting yourself to a grindy experience that excises most of the content the game has, adds stuff that works a lot better if you have previous experience with the game, walls you with THE hardest bossfights in the game and then (genocide spoilers) taints any future pacifist runs you might go for. There's no wrong ways to play through a game, but there ARE worse ways to experience it for the first time, I feel like. And in a True Ending run, you NEVER need to use the fight command, hehe.
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Ruggington posted:I don't see how anyone could unintentionally go on the genocide path just playing naturally Edited juuust in case, but short of it I feel like it's a Adachi situation, only hitting right after instead of nearly 10 hours later. Unless I'm totally misinterpreting what you're saying in which case I'm sorry 
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Oct 13, 2015 17:52
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^^^ You should edit that, Matt might see it 
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CuddlyZombie posted:^^^ You should edit that, Matt might see it I'm pretty sure Matt knows Adachi is the killer dude
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Oct 13, 2015 17:58
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ThisIsACoolGuy posted:It's kind of hard to do that now I'd imagine with artist just spamming tumblr and twitter with artwork on Genocides final boss and THIS IS HOW YOU DO IT!!! I just meant on a totally blind first playthrough, but yeah that might actually be impossible at this point.
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Oct 13, 2015 18:03
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Man Matt deserves endless cred for putting up with us and his tumblr and Twitter. Woolie is too scared, Pats already a hermit, and Liam is our king.
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Oct 13, 2015 18:29
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Also while I'm throwing out compliments. Matt you've been looking super cut in the live stuff lately.
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Yeah, it's pretty much impossible for people who read this thread or have a somewhat gaming-centric interest online to not know there's a Pacifist, Genocide, and Mixed ending. At this point, I'm not gonna pick up Undertale for myself because I know there's a twist. It's like the stupid argument we had a few weeks back, and it's similar to movie spoiler discussions that the Friendcast has had. If you know there's a twist (or in this case, multiple endings) then you're already totally ruined on the genuine shock you'd get. I'll pick it up for my SO since she, somehow, has no idea what the gently caress Undertale is about. It'd be different if Undertale's gameplay was what was stellar about it, instead of the emotional reaction to the events that unfold. It's not unreasonable at all to be soured by overtly high expectations set by the community, since apparently the big thing about Undertale is defying expectations and playing with emotions.
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Oct 13, 2015 18:32
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I can't fathom the mindset where knowing that a game has three different endings ruins the game for you.
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If you think you'd enjoy it buy it I don't even know what twist you're talking about and it barely matters
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unless the twist is that it has three paths then ?????????????
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pulp rag posted:Yeah, it's pretty much impossible for people who read this thread or have a somewhat gaming-centric interest online to not know there's a Pacifist, Genocide, and Mixed ending. At this point, I'm not gonna pick up Undertale for myself because I know there's a twist. It's like the stupid argument we had a few weeks back, and it's similar to movie spoiler discussions that the Friendcast has had. If you know there's a twist (or in this case, multiple endings) then you're already totally ruined on the genuine shock you'd get. I think you're misunderstanding some things, honestly. Which is good! It means you weren't spoiled on anything that relevant (although you might have been overhyped and, well, that's just how it is on the Internet).
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Oct 13, 2015 18:37
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The gameplay is fun, though. Dodging things and figuring out how to spare each monster is fun.
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I legitimately read every spoiler and listened to every big track in Undertale with the exception of a few of the Pacifist ones before playing and beating it and the game actually made me cry despite the fact I knew everything that was going to happen. Admittedly, mine is a sole experience and I am apparently a bit of an odd duck in not giving a poo poo about spoilers, but knowing about big things or twists in a story does not inherently take away from how you will react to them. If you don't want to play the game because it's not your thing, or because the gameplay looks boring, or something like that, it's fine. I don't like seeing people refuse to touch something because they know about a twist or whatever in advance. I had a friend who refused to watch Breaking Bad because he knew what happened in the first episode and it drove me up a loving wall that they did it because of that.
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Also knowing the game has three separate paths really doesn't feel like a big twist and it seems like you don't know anything big about it so, idk I'm p confused.CuddlyZombie posted:The gameplay is fun, though. Dodging things and figuring out how to spare each monster is fun. Agreed
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pulp rag posted:Yeah, it's pretty much impossible for people who read this thread or have a somewhat gaming-centric interest online to not know there's a Pacifist, Genocide, and Mixed ending. At this point, I'm not gonna pick up Undertale for myself because I know there's a twist. It's like the stupid argument we had a few weeks back, and it's similar to movie spoiler discussions that the Friendcast has had. If you know there's a twist (or in this case, multiple endings) then you're already totally ruined on the genuine shock you'd get. You should consider articles like this which explain that being spoiled on something actually doesn't affect your enjoyment of it any unless you specifically tell yourself that it will. It's easy to psych yourself out of enjoying something because you know more than you wanted to about it going into it, but the study in that article shows that being spoiled on something in a story really doesn't matter when you're in the moment, reading/watching/playing. CJacobs fucked around with this message at 18:46 on Oct 13, 2015 |
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Yeah all that spoiler poo poo is just self fulfilling prophecy. It's more of a dog food bag half-full/half empty sort of thing. All that matters is your guts.
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pulp rag posted:Yeah, it's pretty much impossible for people who read this thread or have a somewhat gaming-centric interest online to not know there's a Pacifist, Genocide, and Mixed ending. At this point, I'm not gonna pick up Undertale for myself because I know there's a twist. It's like the stupid argument we had a few weeks back, and it's similar to movie spoiler discussions that the Friendcast has had. If you know there's a twist (or in this case, multiple endings) then you're already totally ruined on the genuine shock you'd get. I've beat Undertale and legitimately don't even know what "twist" you are talking about unless you think having multiple endings is somehow a "twist" that ruins games? I also could not disagree more strongly with that last sentence and think that's a legitimately insane way to interact with society and media. You are genuinely selling yourself short as a person to let stuff like that affect your interaction with media to the degree it apparently does.
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CJacobs posted:You should consider articles like this which explain that being spoiled on something actually doesn't affect your enjoyment of it any unless you specifically tell yourself that it will. It's easy to psych yourself out of enjoying something because you know more than you wanted to about it going into it, but the study in that article shows that being spoiled on something in a story really doesn't matter when you're in the moment, reading/watching/playing. You really shouldn't use a single study and apply the result to everybody like that (or apply it at all). People are different and react to things differently.
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I disagree on that policy as a catch-all (open spoilers and overhyping were the reasons why I got very soured on GoT), but really, the only thing we talked about openly here are "there are different routes and one requires you to go WAY out of your way to get it". It's barely a spoiler because you wouldn't find it in a normal playthrough even if you tried. That's all I knew about the game when I got in, and while I would be pissed if I got spoiled on later things, knowing about those different routes had no effect on my enjoyment of the game.
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CJacobs posted:[url= should consider articles like this which explain that being spoiled on something actually doesn't affect your enjoyment of it any unless you specifically tell yourself that it will[/url]. It's easy to psych yourself out of enjoying something because you know more than you wanted to about it going into it, but the study in that article shows that being spoiled on something in a story really doesn't matter when you're in the moment, reading/watching/playing. What a weird post.
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Yeah, I generally don't agree with posting articles and studies on that since it's something you can't necessarily prove only give personal experiences for. People respond to things in their own unique ways and have their own personal feelings. Now, I can't acknowledge that because it would mean I would have to recognize Internet people as actual people when in reality they're all just things I made up for my own personal amusement.
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