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FizFashizzle posted:Hey marines, on a scale of 1-10, where 1 is basic training during the height of Iraqi Freedom, and 10 being full metal jacket, just how much yelling did you receive stepping off the bus on your first day of basic? i was on my final FTX in basic when we invaded iraq. there was no yelling, just our drill sergeants shouting out to us in formation "GUESS WHERE YOUR BITCH ASSES ARE GOING?!?!?" then giggling wildly.
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FizFashizzle posted:Hey marines, on a scale of 1-10, where 1 is basic training during the height of Iraqi Freedom, and 10 being full metal jacket, just how much yelling did you receive stepping off the bus on your first day of basic? Watch some YouTube videos. Now imagine that with more swearing. Marines are good at yelling a lot and making things way more difficult than they need be. I don't think boot camp has changed much in the last 16 years or so.
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Sep 23, 2015 10:36
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FizFashizzle posted:Hey marines, on a scale of 1-10, where 1 is basic training during the height of Iraqi Freedom, and 10 being full metal jacket, just how much yelling did you receive stepping off the bus on your first day of basic? The only difference between those two boot camp scenarios is that a Drill Instructor isn't going to punch you in the stomach. .. Probably. Ears Open Eyeballs Click probably has a "yellow footprints" scene in it. I saw it a long time ago so I don't remember if there's a realistic amount of yelling in it.
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Sep 23, 2015 17:17
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So I got a call back from a recruiter today (the one that had originally contacted me went on leave right after he did, so another one followed up with me), and they basically told me I need to hit 152 (exactly what you guys told me) before they even want me to have an appointment (I thought they would at least want to get an appointment in though). They asked me a bunch of basic questions and the only thing that stood out is that I had an accident three years ago where a driver slid in front of me to avoid hitting someone else in the pouring rain, and blamed me for the accident. I went to court and it was dismissed (cop put reckless driving in the rain, didn't show up to court to back it up). Could this hurt me even though the charges were dismissed? Another thing is that before I started to look to gain weight, I had an EGD, and a CT scan just to make sure everything was alright and that I didn't have any issues before I started to gain weight, could these hinder me? I'm sort of nervous that something small could bring everything to a halt. Also, on a side note I weighed in at 143 today, so things are progressing pretty smoothly, my push-up max is sitting at 30, sit-ups are at 40, and my mile and a half run is at 12 minutes.
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Sep 29, 2015 19:34
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Sounds good dude. I wouldn't sweat the car incident. Or even mention it since it was dropped.
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Sep 29, 2015 20:37
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Nobody's going to care about the car accident. It's not a demonstration of moral issues or a pattern of criminal behavior, which is what they're looking for.
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Sep 30, 2015 01:44
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Zetta_Slow posted:So I got a call back from a recruiter today (the one that had originally contacted me went on leave right after he did, so another one followed up with me), and they basically told me I need to hit 152 (exactly what you guys told me) before they even want me to have an appointment (I thought they would at least want to get an appointment in though). They asked me a bunch of basic questions and the only thing that stood out is that I had an accident three years ago where a driver slid in front of me to avoid hitting someone else in the pouring rain, and blamed me for the accident. I went to court and it was dismissed (cop put reckless driving in the rain, didn't show up to court to back it up). Could this hurt me even though the charges were dismissed? Another thing is that before I started to look to gain weight, I had an EGD, and a CT scan just to make sure everything was alright and that I didn't have any issues before I started to gain weight, could these hinder me? I'm sort of nervous that something small could bring everything to a halt. The only way a dismissed charge can come back to bite you in the rear end is if: A: It's a criminal charge and B: The charges are "dismissed without prejudice". Without prejudice means that, theoretically, you could be charged again if more evidence is found that incriminates you. Most of the time, it takes the recruiter going to the court and making them change the dismissal to "dismissed with prejudice" which means there is no way the same charges could be brought against you again.
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Sep 30, 2015 03:23
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Hey guys, just a quick question. I considered commissioning with the Navy, and I heard pilots generally have a better quality of life than a lot of others. My recruiter said my experience was better suited for Information Warfare, which I still don't even know what that job does exactly, but I am told it transfers to better civilian careers, although I'm not sure how to confirm that. Is there anything especially terrible about IW that I shouldn't just aim for that over pilot?
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Sep 30, 2015 05:34
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Ok question 1: Have you attended and graduated college? Question 2: If so, have you been continuously drunk up to and including now? How much effort have you put into this so far? It comes across as roughly zero which is a bad start.
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Sep 30, 2015 06:53
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Positronic Spleen posted:I considered commissioning with the Navy, and I heard pilots generally have a better quality of life than a lot of others.
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Godholio posted:Ok question 1: Have you attended and graduated college?
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Positronic Spleen posted:I'm not sure I understand what you mean. I just wanted to see if anyone can give me some advice on if I should go IW or if that's a mistake. Yes, I graduated college, my recruiter wouldn't be working with me otherwise. He gave me a pamphlet on IW, and I tried searching online, but all I can gather about the lifestyle is that it's basically working at a computer all day, I don't know if there's anything important I'm missing about it. I might be wrong, but: If you commission as a pilot, you'll probably be a pilot if you pass training. If you commission as not a pilot, you'll be whatever they want you to be and have very little say in it. Enlisting is one way to guarantee your job field but it's also a terrible waste of your college education. No idea if that's what's happening here but it's something to be aware of. I wasn't in the Navy and I don't know poo poo about the Navy. Just applying how I *think* it works/worked in the Marines Corps.
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Sep 30, 2015 21:00
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Pretty sure that's how all the services do it. You apply for what you want, but unless you're going for something that's treated differently (ie, a rated officer in the AF) you get what they give you even if it's not on your list. At AF OTS you find out your job somewhere around halfway through training (unless you're one of those rated guys, then you either got picked up for THAT job or not, so you know).
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Sep 30, 2015 23:53
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Long story short regarding Navy OCS selection: Your put together a package with your top 3 choices for community (IW, Intel, Crypto, Pilot, Supply, Surface, etc.) and then it gets sent to Millington, TN (Big Navy admin) for a board to rack and stack you and then either Professionally Recommend you or not. More paperwork, more other stuff. One day you ship off to Newport with your community already picked.
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Positronic Spleen posted:Hey guys, just a quick question. I considered commissioning with the Navy, and I heard pilots generally have a better quality of life than a lot of others. My recruiter said my experience was better suited for Information Warfare, which I still don't even know what that job does exactly, but I am told it transfers to better civilian careers, although I'm not sure how to confirm that. Is there anything especially terrible about IW that I shouldn't just aim for that over pilot? Entering as a pilot gives you a lot of possibilities. If you don't like flying or you fail out of flight school, you get the opportunity to either get out of the navy scot loving free, or go to another community. If not, you get to be a pilot. I would highly advise you not to commission unless you are a pilot. PM me if you want to know about flight school and what not.
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QFT:Suntan Boy posted:On the one hand, it makes me kinda sad that they invested that amount of time to have so little to show for it when they hit their expiration date, and probably sacrificed good relationships along the way.
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What are the best options in the military for a 1 and done contract, take your security clearance, and go civilian side? I'm about to get laid off for the winter, and loving everything around me is closing down or downsizing. I'm sure a lot of it was exaggerated, but I do remember a lot of people getting solid jobs after they finished up in the service in certain MOS's. I could've gotten something dumb like guarding a gate in Kuwait after I got out, but I didn't know anything about contracting, and infantry with hearing loss isn't the best platform to go from anyways. Just kind of curious what my options would be if I went in looking specifically at a certain job post-military before I even enlisted. 90% of the options available will probably be "gently caress no, absolutely not" for me, but I'm wondering if there's anything that might pop out as something I'd be interested in researching further. Don't particularly care what branch, so long as the career afterwards isn't just an extension of stupid gay military bullshit and something I could actually enjoy doing around people I wouldn't loving loathe in a city that doesn't suck for 20+ years. Biggest thing is post-military prospects. I'm 26 now, so we'd be talking getting out around 31 without a degree. While I'd be open to getting a degree on the side to further my career prospects in the future, I'd rather not burn 4 years in the military and 4 years in college before I even started working. I'm not desperate and in all probability I'm not going to find anything I'd consider worth re-joining, but like I said, I'm curious. GT score won't preclude me from anything if my score from high school in 2007 carries over.
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Oct 5, 2015 18:43
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Why active? If you just want a security clearance and the vague chance of having to serve any more than the minimum take a look at the navy reserve. If you are a smarty pants anything under CT would give you a good clearance if you qualify. If your are kinda dumb IT can do the same but not as likely to get really high clearance ( this is my route). Still get all the initial training and navy bullshit with the additional bonus of regular enlisted looking down on you!
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LingcodKilla posted:Why active? If you just want a security clearance and the vague chance of having to serve any more than the minimum take a look at the navy reserve. If you are a smarty pants anything under CT would give you a good clearance if you qualify. If your are kinda dumb IT can do the same but not as likely to get really high clearance ( this is my route). If I did it, it wouldn't JUST be for the security clearance. I'd want an MOS where my work experience would be an asset in the career field I'd be aiming at getting into, and for that it seems anybody not-active would be at a disadvantage compared to people who were active. Right now I'm looking into psyops, intel, and civil affairs. Not sure about intel, but the others are in ranger battalion where I know I don't mind the work environment and it would look extra good on a resume.
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Oct 5, 2015 19:17
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Look into Navy CTN, Cryptologic Technician Networks; and Army 17C, Cyber Operations Specialist.
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Oct 5, 2015 21:58
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Did I miss where you actually mention what your experience is?
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Godholio posted:Did I miss where you actually mention what your experience is? It's irrelevant. I'd be looking at entry level type stuff. All my experience is infantry in the military, and I have enough hearing loss to make anything down that route unavailable. And everything I've done as a civilian is generic manual labor of different stripes that I have no interest in pursuing further.
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Fair enough. I'm not sure why you think infantry teaches anything that correlates to a civilian job, though. Computers, computers, computers. Specifically security. People who blather about how much a clearance is worth on the outside are idiots who don't know what they're talking about. Where a clearance comes in handy is when you have a skillset that's in demand. But make no mistake about the order of importance.
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Godholio posted:Fair enough. I'm not sure why you think infantry teaches anything that correlates to a civilian job, though. I didn't say it did? It's not a bad thing to have on a resume, but if it led into a sick post military job market, I wouldn't be discussing this right now. quote:Computers, computers, computers. Specifically security. People who blather about how much a clearance is worth on the outside are idiots who don't know what they're talking about. Where a clearance comes in handy is when you have a skillset that's in demand. But make no mistake about the order of importance. Thanks for the tip. I already kind of viewed it that way just because it makes sense, but nice to hear some corroboration.
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Volkerball posted:I didn't say it did? You talk about wanting a job that gets you useful civilian experience, but keep going back to how hearing loss is what holds you back from infantry. quote:It's not a bad thing to have on a resume, It kind of is. Unless you're in a 'Merica! kind of town, it doesn't help at all. Four years of useless skills on your resume is a big blank spot for all the value it gets you. Employers aren't interested in skills that don't benefit their company. This goes for all military career fields, even technical ones. If you get a job repairing large radar systems, that gets you experience valued by about 5 different companies. Get IT security training? EVERYBODY needs that, and if you can finagle your way into a degree or most of one while on active duty (totally job dependent) you've got training, experience, and education and maybe a clearance. I had a technical career field that has a training pipeline almost two years long. Multiple deployments, leadership experience (I was an officer), TS/SCI, awards and decorations, etc. Guess what that got me? A bullshit low paying cubicle job filing paperwork as a state gov't peon. Because my job didn't translate into anything on the civilian side (the closest to it is ATC, but it's not the same, and there's a max age for ATC anyway). After three years I found something close enough and was qualified enough that the company was willing to get me a new clearance because the old one expired (you have 2 years after you stop using it, then it's gone unless you join the same organization again). Be wary.
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Godholio posted:Where a clearance comes in handy is when you have a skillset that's in demand. So many times, this bit right here. A clearance just allows you to be around sensitive stuff. If all you bring to the table is the ability to waste oxygen on the other side of a locked door, you're not getting hired. Crypto/technical security is where it's at for the foreseeable future. Go do that.
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pretty sure hes been in before and wants to go back
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Alright, so another update! I overshot my height a bit, and I'm just a bit over 6'1. So my minimum weight is actually a bit lower, and I weighed in at 151 this morning! I've hit 38 push-ups, and 45 sit-ups in a minute. My run is around 11 minutes for a mile and a half. So I called my recruiter and we finally made an appointment for the 21st. He told me that I would be taking a practice ASVAB to see where I am currently at. I'm going to be calling my cousin who works for Air Force internal affairs to help me out with whatever I need to know. But does anyone have any advice when I go in for my appointment? I don't want to make any mistakes or end up doing something wrong, I guess I'm just a bit nervous.
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Oct 14, 2015 03:59
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Don't sign for anything less than what you want because you're going to have to live with whatever lovely job they push on you otherwise. If they don't have what you want just walk out and try again later. There's actually quite a bit between walking in the door of the recruiting office and signing your contract and shipping out. You're given plenty of opportunities to dip out and not sign anything. If your MEPS is anyting like the one I went to pretty much the only way to do something wrong is to not follow their very simple instructions, they have those places run like clockwork, even if it doesn't seem that way if it's really crowded. The worst that happens is someone tells you you're wrong and they may or may not be in a bad mood and an rear end in a top hat.
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Hey man congrats on the weight gain and your push-up/sit-up numbers. Ditto what the last guy said. Don't got what you want? Walk out try again next month/whenever.
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Air Force recruiters are usually pretty laid back and not super pushy. They aren't hurting for folks who want to join so there is less stress for them. That said, they usually expect you to do adult things like transport yourself to MEPs to take the ASVAB and get your physical done. Also, you can go through all of the screening and still not enlist if you aren't given what you ask for. Don't let anyone pressure you or make you feel like you've wasted their time and owe them something.
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Don't sign for "open" anything (open general, open electronic, etc.) unless you legit don't care what job you eventually get. If your recruiter tells you that your job isn't available right now, you have a couple options. As others have mentioned, you can wait for a few weeks or months until the job you want becomes available. You can also ask your recruiter to see if other regions have the job you want. That's what happened when I enlisted. Apparently job slots are allocated by geographical recruiting region. I wanted a comm network job, but none were available in my area (New York). My recruiter was able to trade one of his avionics jobs with a comm job from a different region. It took a couple days for him to work that drug deal, but I wasn't going to sign for open electronic. If you're going to try to make your recruiter work for you, though, it helps to have a good ASVAB. As Hekk said, the AF isn't hurting for bodies, so you'll need to be a promising recruit. If you took the standardized tests in high school, that should give you an idea of what to expect. Picture the SAT with a couple of simple mechanical logic sections (fitting shapes together, working with gears). There are books available to help you prepare, but the practice ASVAB should let you know if you need them. I don't recall if anyone mentioned this yet, but don't sign up for six years. That would net you E-3 right out of basic training, but you already have enough college credits for that from your associate's degree. Sign for four. If you fall in love with the military, you can re-up whenever. If you hate it, then you get out two years before the guys who did six.
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Oct 14, 2015 05:09
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Wear your goddamn undies to MEPS
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Bring a book 'cause MEPS takes all day. Also they are suppose to look at your butthole, so don't get weirded out by it. Do you have a career field in mind or are you waiting on your ASVAB scores to come back before you decide?
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Hamlet442 posted:Bring a book 'cause MEPS takes all day. Also they are suppose to look at your butthole, so don't get weirded out by it. Do you have a career field in mind or are you waiting on your ASVAB scores to come back before you decide? I was kinda disappointed on how much time the dude really spent inspecting my bum. Cursory glance at best. Be prepared to explain any really bad tattoos you have too. They make you sit nearly naked with a bunch of dudes for an hour or so and just staring at the walls gets old. All and all just a long boring day. Nothing to worry about.
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If you go airborne, you get the added bonus of doing the duck walk.
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Volkerball posted:If you go airborne, you get the added bonus of doing the duck walk. when i went through meps everyone duck walked but yeah. MEPS is a poo poo way to spend 24 hours. Basically just be ready to stand in line all day and have a super old dude look at your butthole and cup your balls as you cough. i remember too being told not to eat anything too sugary when you go to breakfast in the morning, since you will get a blood sugar test when it comes to the recruiter, just make sure to remember that if it's not written down in your contract, you won;t get it.
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Oct 14, 2015 19:17
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Everyone duck walks.
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USAF doesnt guarantee poo poo on contract. You get a wishlist which is could be like F22 WHEEL POLISHER or whatever pie in the sky thing you want PARA RESCUE - always that one for the gung ho fuckers like 4 things that you might want then of course the USAF usually has you hedge your bets for Security forces. They have 365 days to ship you with one of your jobs and guess what if its like 330 days and the only option is SF???!??
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or if everything goes well and y ou get that BAD rear end PJ job thats ultra elite even though I don't think anyone gives a poo poo about them then you wash out on day 1 and end up a SF gate guard so idk STILL better than anything in the army so hth
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