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Adiabatic
Nov 18, 2007

What have you assholes done now?
Yes, for fucks sake get a bonded contractor. They're worth the extra.

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Ether Frenzy
Dec 22, 2006




Nap Ghost

angryhampster posted:

Laws like that are so ridiculous. That's one thing I love about Iowa. I can get liquor/beer anytime, basically anywhere that feels like buying a liquor license. Even my local CVS has a decent alcohol section.

I drove up to Milwaukee a few years ago to buy a car, and got there around 10PM. I was appalled that I couldn't legally buy a six pack of beer.

I used to live in Rock Island and my girlfriend at the time lived in Bettendorf. If we missed the 2am Iowa beer sales cutoff, we just drove across the bridge to Illinois where it goes til 3am.

And then on Sunday mornings, when stupid-rear end Illinois wouldn't sell beer until noon/the same time NFL games start, we'd drive back to Iowa where there was no idiotic sunday morning religion-no-beer rules. Ridiculous nonsense.

mafoose
Oct 30, 2006

volvos and dogs and volvos and dogs and volvos and dogs and volvos and dogs and vulvas and dogs and volvos and dogs and volvos and dogs and volvos and dongs and volvos and dons and volvos and dogs and volvos and cats and volvos and dogs and volvos and dogs and volvos and dogs and volvos and dogs

meatpimp posted:

This, and make a police report.

Well, and not give people big chunks of cash without checking the poo poo out of their background.

They have a good reviews and an A+ BBB rating (which I know could still mean poo poo).

leica posted:

Kinda surprised people are still paying money up front with no work being done these days.

Kinda made sense since it's not like they stock every color of shingles.

And gently caress me for being a naive first time home owner.

piss boner posted:

You never pay in advance for repairs. I had my roof done this year and that was one of my top questions when taking bids.

1. Show me your license & insurance.
2. Do I pay before or after?
3. References.

The one I went with was 2k more than the cheapest but met all the requirements. You don't want to be liable if some chucklefuck falls off your roof and you never pay in advance.

gently caress. I should have asked for more advice beforehand. They are insured/licensed/bonded and I heard about them through a family friend who is a contractor. He heard about them through his long time roofer that couldn't take on the work with all the hail damage that happened (they were only working on roofs they had originally done and were swamped).

Applebees Appetizer
Jan 23, 2006

mafoose posted:

Kinda made sense since it's not like they stock every color of shingles.

And gently caress me for being a naive first time home owner.

They have to get enough shingles and supplies for the job and bill you later, it's not your problem if they gently caress that up. That sounds like a ploy they used to get you to pay upfront.

Don't feel bad because you have a lot to learn being a first time home owner, you're going to make mistakes, just don't make the same ones again. Been there got the t shirt.

jamal
Apr 15, 2003

I'll set the building on fire
I think it's fair to put down a deposit for some of the parts up front. Otherwise it's easy for the person doing the work to end up in the same situation. "oh, I don't like this, it's not what I agreed to. I'm not paying."

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

The blue glow is a feature, not a bug


Pillbug
http://jalopnik.com/mustang-driver-shoots-corvette-driver-for-driving-too-s-1736520124?rev=1444847713354

loving Georgia.

quote:

Here’s what happened, according to TV station WSB-TV: Angela Christiano and her 25-year old son were driving on Stone Mountain Highway in their yellow C6 Corvette. It’s not said how fast they were going, but they were in the center lane, which means anyone who didn’t feel like they were going fast enough could have passed them with ease.

Christiano said a black Mustang approached from behind and began following her very closely—close enough that she felt compelled to motion to the driver to pass her.

The Mustang did change lanes as if to pass, but instead of simply passing, the Mustang driver pulled alongside the Corvette and fired a gun several times into the car, striking Christiano in her back, which quite understandably caused her to lose control of her car, eventually stopping it on the right shoulder of the road.

Christiano is in the hospital, listed in serious to critical condition. The black Mustang escaped without anyone getting a license number. It’s suspected that the Mustang exited on Mountain Industrial Boulevard.

warcake
Apr 10, 2010
yay, i am a certified hybrid vehicle technician, now i will proceed to not see one for a year and electrocute myself when i have to work on one.

mafoose
Oct 30, 2006

volvos and dogs and volvos and dogs and volvos and dogs and volvos and dogs and vulvas and dogs and volvos and dogs and volvos and dogs and volvos and dongs and volvos and dons and volvos and dogs and volvos and cats and volvos and dogs and volvos and dogs and volvos and dogs and volvos and dogs

jamal posted:

I think it's fair to put down a deposit for some of the parts up front. Otherwise it's easy for the person doing the work to end up in the same situation. "oh, I don't like this, it's not what I agreed to. I'm not paying."

My thoughts exactly.

Well they finally called me back (the secretary did, the owner is too chicken poo poo I guess? I was calling his phone...), and claims they had an issue with their supplier this morning so they'll be by later to drop off all the shingles.
We'll see if they actually show up.

Wrar
Sep 9, 2002


Soiled Meat
That's some seriously Florida poo poo.

Safety Dance
Sep 10, 2007

Five degrees to starboard!


Oh neat, my hometown is in the news!

:smith:

Applebees Appetizer
Jan 23, 2006

jamal posted:

I think it's fair to put down a deposit for some of the parts up front. Otherwise it's easy for the person doing the work to end up in the same situation. "oh, I don't like this, it's not what I agreed to. I'm not paying."

I don't think I need to pay anything up front when they have the option to put a lien on my house if I don't pay up, gently caress them.

My signature on a contract is enough, if they want money up front they can bite me.

Geoj
May 28, 2008

BITTER POOR PERSON

:ughh:

Like clockwork, gun nuts coming out of the woodwork to white knight the Mustang driver:

Jalopnik reader posted:

I’m speculating here, but maybe this “motion” to the driver to pass was misinterpreted? Or maybe there was some previous animosity between the driver or passenger of the Corvette and the driver of the Mustang?

Misinterpretation of a hand signal and/or prior animosity: perfectly acceptable reasons to shoot someone. And since Georgia is a SYG state, possibly legal too.

Geoj fucked around with this message at 20:54 on Oct 14, 2015

CAT INTERCEPTOR
Nov 9, 2004

Basically a male Margaret Thatcher

The US really needs to get the gently caress over the 2nd Amendment and get some sane gun laws

piss boner
May 17, 2003




leica posted:

They have to get enough shingles and supplies for the job and bill you later, it's not your problem if they gently caress that up. That sounds like a ploy they used to get you to pay upfront.

Don't feel bad because you have a lot to learn being a first time home owner, you're going to make mistakes, just don't make the same ones again. Been there got the t shirt.

Listen to this guy, it's going to happen and don't beat yourself up over it.

PaintVagrant
Apr 13, 2007

~ the ultimate driving machine ~
Hey guys, how hard is it to do a manual trans swap in an origami spaceship MR2? Theres a super clean auto for sale very close to me that I am extremely tempted to look at/make bad decisions on.

BrokenKnucklez
Apr 22, 2008

by zen death robot

CAT INTERCEPTOR posted:

The US really needs to get the gently caress over the 2nd Amendment and get some sane gun laws

But you dont understand, the NAZIS WILL GET YOU!

Do you want the King of England to come in and push you around. Huh? Do you?

InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007

I Want To Believe.

Geoj posted:

Misinterpretation of a hand signal and/or prior animosity: perfectly acceptable reasons to shoot someone. And since Georgia is a SYG state, possibly legal too.
That isn't what the quote you included said. A potential explanation of how or why something happened is not the same as saying it was justified.

My first thought from reading that was also "Did the Mustang driver react that way because of the signal the Corvette driver made to them?". Doesn't mean I think the victim is in any way at fault for what happened to them.

Gingerbread House Music
Dec 1, 2009

by FactsAreUseless
Lipstick Apathy
Shut up, all gun owns are insane and should be shot themselves.

kastein
Aug 31, 2011

Moderator at http://www.ridgelineownersclub.com/forums/and soon to be mod of AI. MAKE AI GREAT AGAIN. Motronic for VP.
while we are at it we should probably make killing people illegal. I don't know how that loophole hasn't been closed yet.

Safety Dance
Sep 10, 2007

Five degrees to starboard!

kastein posted:

while we are at it we should probably make killing people illegal. I don't know how that loophole hasn't been closed yet.

You obviously hate the american way of life.

MrChips
Jun 10, 2005

FLIGHT SAFETY TIP: Fatties out first

BrokenKnucklez posted:

But you dont understand, the NAZIS WILL GET YOU!

Do you want the King of England to come in and push you around. Huh? Do you?

I think it's time that the UK recolonised America. The land is clearly inhabited only by savages.

mariooncrack
Dec 27, 2008
If the corvette owner had a gun then this wouldn't have happened.

IOwnCalculus
Apr 2, 2003





BrokenKnucklez posted:

But you dont understand, the NAZIS WILL GET YOU!

Do you want the King of England to come in and push you around. Huh? Do you?

Forget the Nazis, we need guns to keep ourselves safe from our gubmint! The same one running black ops with B2s and drones and god only knows what kind of stealth poo poo they don't tell the public about! I need the right to have an unregistered short-barrel shotgun to keep safe!

MrChips posted:

I think it's time that the UK recolonised America. The land is clearly inhabited only by savages.

Just don't make us switch sides of the roads, eh guvna?

Great Beer
Jul 5, 2004

kastein posted:

while we are at it we should probably make killing people illegal. I don't know how that loophole hasn't been closed yet.

Really it's a mental health issue. Outlawing murder is only a bandaid to the underlying problem.

Somewhat Heroic
Oct 11, 2007

(Insert Mad Max related text)



So gun chat is happening huh? See you in two days, shitlords

Geoj
May 28, 2008

BITTER POOR PERSON

Great Beer posted:

Really it's a mental health issue.

Can't do anything about that either because of deficit spending and the mentally ill should take some personal responsibility for their condition anyways. Also if a doctor can say someone is not mentally stable enough to have guns it could hypothetically mean I could have my guns taken away, and I'd rather have armed insane people running around than live in a world like that!

InitialDave posted:

That isn't what the quote you included said. A potential explanation of how or why something happened is not the same as saying it was justified.

What purpose does an "explanation of why something happened" in this case serve other than to deflect part of the blame away from the shooter? Unless you're alleging that she did something that would normally warrant use of deadly force it doesn't matter.

Geoj fucked around with this message at 22:10 on Oct 14, 2015

PaintVagrant
Apr 13, 2007

~ the ultimate driving machine ~
ANSWER MY MR2 QUESTION AND STOP GUNCHAT :v:

slurry_curry
Nov 26, 2003
<3mini-moni+animu^_^

PaintVagrant posted:

Hey guys, how hard is it to do a manual trans swap in an origami spaceship MR2? Theres a super clean auto for sale very close to me that I am extremely tempted to look at/make bad decisions on.

Pretty easy, don't need to mess with electrical besides a ecu swap, everything just pretty much bolts in. This is a pretty good overview of the process and a good site for mr2 stuff. Probably the hardest part is getting the instrument cluster out, thats a pain in the rear end.

vvv transmission are dirt cheap, they used the same engine/transmission in a ton of 80-90's toyotas vvv

slurry_curry fucked around with this message at 21:57 on Oct 14, 2015

mariooncrack
Dec 27, 2008
Look up the price of the transmission before you make bad decisions. It might just be cheaper to wait until you find a manual then going through the hassle of doing a swap.

BrokenKnucklez
Apr 22, 2008

by zen death robot

MrChips posted:

I think it's time that the UK recolonised America. The land is clearly inhabited only by savages.

As long as I can get more cheap jag and land rover parts, I welcome the rule of the crown.

IOwnCalculus posted:

Forget the Nazis, we need guns to keep ourselves safe from our gubmint! The same one running black ops with B2s and drones and god only knows what kind of stealth poo poo they don't tell the public about! I need the right to have an unregistered short-barrel shotgun to keep safe!

Oh man, I forgot about that gubmint. Even though several key political figureheads have been shot and yet, they still allow the guns. I really could borrow the lobbying power of the NRA and do some good for once.

kastein
Aug 31, 2011

Moderator at http://www.ridgelineownersclub.com/forums/and soon to be mod of AI. MAKE AI GREAT AGAIN. Motronic for VP.
deaths in 2015 so far, in thousands:
heart disease 468.5
cancer 452.9
tobacco 274.8
obesity 241.1
suicide 31
drunk driving 26.5
auto accidents 19 (in the first half of the year alone)
murder by gun 9
murder by other weapons 4
police shootings 1 (jan-oct) (this probably includes some of the "murder by gun" stat, and vise versa, since not all police shootings are ruled justifiable)
mass shooting 0.043
mass shooting using weapons banned by the 94 AWB: I haven't run the numbers yet, but typically about 1%, so let's call it ten percent to be charitable to those arguing against me and say 0.005 kilodeaths.
VW TDIs (per year, estimated) 20 (only this low because TDIs are rare in the US, probably more like hundreds in europe)

So you know what? gently caress off with your gun control rhetoric. It's a drop in the god damned bucket compared to any other cause of death, intentional, accidental, natural, or otherwise. You are more likely to win the god damned lottery than you are to get shot in the united states. You are more likely to die in a commercial airliner crash (average 1255 deaths per year over the last 16 years) than you are to be shot in a mass shooting in the united states, by two orders of magnitude.

The only reason this is even a loving debate is because some people are afraid of guns and want to ban them by any means, and people are bad at statistics and risk calculations, which is also the only reason some people won't fly and lots of people buy lottery tickets. You stand a higher risk of death driving home from work (sober) at 8PM on a Friday than you do from any sort of gun related crime. gently caress, this poo poo pisses me off because people are so goddamn bad at math and think banning inanimate objects solves a problem when the crime committed with them is already illegal.

Banning "assault weapons" or "high capacity magazines" or "scary black guns that make me afraid" (what the bans amount to) is every bit as effective in saving lives as banning the following list of vehicles:
Lamborghinis over 400hp (if equipped with black paint and chrome wheels, unless a manual transmission is also included)
Ferraris over 350hp (if painted black)
Porsches with more than one turbo or a water cooling system (unless they have more than two doors)
Subaru WRXes (if equipped with SMG, rollcage, and WRB paint)
Ford F350s (King Ranch edition w/ backup camera only, but only if it has a vanity license plate)

Yet a depressing number of you guys are alright with the idea of banning someone else's expensive toys, but would be up in arms in a second if there was any kind of a high performance vehicle ban. Paul Walker's blood is on your hands, bloodthirsty car nuts :arghfist:

And this will be my last post on the subject because guess what? It will change precisely zero loving opinions, math, logic, or reason aside, this is a ridiculous emotional argument. Zero, zilch, nada. So I'm done justifying a goddamn thing, gently caress you, you can take them from my cold dead hands, and half the country (crossing party lines - a surprising number of democrats own guns - including my liberal/socialist leaning girlfriend, who voted for Obama and is probably voting for Sanders this time around) agrees with me. If you want to ban guns be honest about your goddamn reasons ("they scare me! :ohdear:") instead of trotting it out every time some wackjob kills a bunch of people.

PS: I'm not a republican or a democrat, my political beliefs are closer to "string em all up from the highest tree we can find" than anything else. I don't really like the NRA, either. I don't even own any guns (yet) I just think it's a loving stupid argument, a waste of political capital, and quite frankly the math agrees with me.

We could save more lives by cutting even 1% of the F35 program (that'd net 13 billion dollars, FYI - enough to give over a million homeless people a $1k/mo 2 bedroom apartment to themselves) and using it to fund help for the homeless, work programs, etc, or by legalizing almost all drugs and ripping the revenue stream out from under the drug cartels and gangs operating in our cities, then using the tax revenue from letting people sell said drugs to fund proper rehab/addiction management programs. But that's crazy talk apparently because gently caress those dirty addicts and bums they don't deserve poo poo.

Wasting political capital on gun control when half the drat country disagrees is statistically the same as trying to balance the federal budget by cutting 5% of NASA and the food stamp program. Death stats wise, you're dicking around with extreme couponing to save pennies when the credit cards are maxed out and pissing off the whole line behind you at the grocery store, find something more effective to do that doesn't involve making GBS threads on the constitution.

The numbers are so goddamn low compared to the number of deaths by any cause per year and the number of people living in this country that they're below the statistical variance of natural causes deaths year over year.

I'm not wasting my time on self defense / conspiritard / reagan destroyed mental health / foreign invasion reasoning, because I don't want a headache from slogging through that bullshit trying to find statistics.

Cage
Jul 17, 2003
www.revivethedrive.org
Guns are p scary imo.

meatpimp
May 15, 2004

Psst -- Wanna buy

:) EVERYWHERE :)
some high-quality thread's DESTROYED!

:kheldragar:

Hay, gun nuts (both sides), TFR is that way.

<-----------

(I own guns, just choose not to beat my chest about them.)

CAT INTERCEPTOR
Nov 9, 2004

Basically a male Margaret Thatcher

IOwnCalculus posted:


Just don't make us switch sides of the roads, eh guvna?

No, we'll just make you use metric

quote:

The only reason this is even a loving debate is because some people are afraid of guns and want to ban them by any means

No, only scared of loving lunatics with them. In a sane and rational country - and the USA sure as gently caress isn't either - this wouldn't be up for debate. You would do like Australia did in 1996. You want your guns? Then try being a sane and rational society like Canada or a Scandinavian country, where guns are just as prevalent but shooting aren't.

kastein
Aug 31, 2011

Moderator at http://www.ridgelineownersclub.com/forums/and soon to be mod of AI. MAKE AI GREAT AGAIN. Motronic for VP.

CAT INTERCEPTOR posted:

No, only scared of loving lunatics with them. In a sane and rational country - and the USA sure as gently caress isn't either - this wouldn't be up for debate. You would do like Australia did in 1996. You want your guns? Then try being a sane and rational society like Canada or a Scandinavian country, where guns are just as prevalent but shooting aren't.

Now this, I can agree with. I dunno why the hell we have so many wackjobs but it's bad.

I guess we could start by forcing Indiana, Texas, and Florida to secede or something.

MrChips
Jun 10, 2005

FLIGHT SAFETY TIP: Fatties out first

kastein posted:


The only reason this is even a loving debate is because some people are afraid of guns and want to ban them by any means, and people are bad at statistics and risk calculations, which is also the only reason some people won't fly and lots of people buy lottery tickets. You stand a higher risk of death driving home from work (sober) at 8PM on a Friday than you do from any sort of gun related crime. gently caress, this poo poo pisses me off because people are so goddamn bad at math and think banning inanimate objects solves a problem when the crime committed with them is already illegal.

Banning "assault weapons" or "high capacity magazines" or "scary black guns that make me afraid" (what the bans amount to) is every bit as effective in saving lives as banning the following list of vehicles:
Lamborghinis over 400hp (if equipped with black paint and chrome wheels, unless a manual transmission is also included)
Ferraris over 350hp (if painted black)
Porsches with more than one turbo or a water cooling system (unless they have more than two doors)
Subaru WRXes (if equipped with SMG, rollcage, and WRB paint)
Ford F350s (King Ranch edition w/ backup camera only, but only if it has a vanity license plate)

Yet a depressing number of you guys are alright with the idea of banning someone else's expensive toys, but would be up in arms in a second if there was any kind of a high performance vehicle ban. Paul Walker's blood is on your hands, bloodthirsty car nuts :arghfist:

Kastein you're a smart guy, I expect more than this sort of disingenuous argument from you.

E: Also regarding gun control; all I ever hear from you Americans is "THIS IS NOT THE TIME/PLACE FOR THIS DEBATE". Well, when is the time then? Where is the place then?

MrChips fucked around with this message at 22:56 on Oct 14, 2015

InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007

I Want To Believe.

Geoj posted:

What purpose does an "explanation of why something happened" in this case serve other than to deflect part of the blame away from the shooter? Unless you're alleging that she did something that would normally warrant use of deadly force it doesn't matter.
Because when someone does something like that, it is entirely natural for people to wonder "Why did they do something like that?"
loving thank you.

InitialDave fucked around with this message at 22:58 on Oct 14, 2015

kastein
Aug 31, 2011

Moderator at http://www.ridgelineownersclub.com/forums/and soon to be mod of AI. MAKE AI GREAT AGAIN. Motronic for VP.

MrChips posted:

Kastein you're a smart guy, I expect more than this sort of disingenuous argument from you.

I'm not wasting my time on this debate, just stirring poo poo up and eating popcorn while I read the responses. Like someone else said, TFR is that way and D&D is the other way. I'm here to yap about stupid cars, not political nonsense.

Also, the part you quoted is distressingly similar to the AWB, though I was mostly joking. I'm glad I hit a nerve.

Wish I wasn't stuck at work atm so I could be wrenching on my crummy military surplus truck / yard ornament, it hasn't moved under its own power in something like two years now. :(

IOwnCalculus
Apr 2, 2003





CAT INTERCEPTOR posted:

No, we'll just make you use metric

I could deal with that, aside from the fact that Phoenix's carefully-crafted 1 mile grid would now be a 1609-meter grid :v: Arizona does have one of the only metric-signed Interstates already:



kastein posted:

Wish I wasn't stuck at work atm so I could be wrenching on my crummy military surplus truck / yard ornament, it hasn't moved under its own power in something like two years now. :(

Yup. Wish I could work from home, I'd have a laptop and a phone in the garage.

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Elmnt80
Dec 30, 2012


kastein posted:

Now this, I can agree with. I dunno why the hell we have so many wackjobs but it's bad.

I guess we could start by forcing Indiana, Texas, and Florida to secede or something.



You act like Texas wanted to join your lovely union in the first place. :mad:

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