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jrodefeld posted:gently caress you and get the gently caress off of my thread. I don't have any goddamn patience for your loving poo poo anymore. Dude, who do you think you are exactly? Nobody is afraid of macho man Jrod and I would have absolutely no problem insulting your waifu Hans-Hermann Hoppe to your face because I have no problem insulting Nazis. jrodefeld posted:I don't care what the gently caress you do. Just don't aim those loving guns in my direction. You don't really care about the State violence committed on your behalf. If there is a social problem you are concerned about, go fix it! Work in the market, create something, innovate. Don't use the political process to terrorize your fellow man into complying with your social designs. So Libertarians are the only civilized people in the world, and the rest of the world is sociopaths robbing other sociopaths at gunpoint? Every nation on earth understands that sometimes you can't make everything 100% voluntary, but you jrod are the wunderkind who has seen through the veil and have become a civilized man in a world of barbarians. Fight me irl, I'll beat you up if you say that to my face. (am I being civilized right? I'm learning from the best here)
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*is insolvent, takes advantage of nepotism to get an interest-free no-qualification $1000 loan to survive* "It's moral to let everyone who can't make it on the free market without relying on handouts die of exposure and illness"
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jrodefeld posted:You might be able to anticipate my response, but the problem you faced has everything to do with the fact that the police are a part of the State. They have absolutely NO incentive to retrieve your stolen stuff. If, on the other hand you could hire competing security forces to secure your neighborhood and catch and punish thieves then you would be far more likely to see much better protection of your property rights. After all, a private business that depends on your voluntary payments rather than coercive taxation has every incentive to provide you with a good service. If they don't, you can fire them and hire a different security company. "You see, heavily armed goons who currently control our neighborhood, we're just not satisfied with the level of service you're providing and have decided to stop paying you and hire someone else. This, we think, is rational, well-thought-out, and in no way a parallel to when the post-Roman Britons decided stopping paying their Saxon mercenaries was a great idea with no potential backlash. Furthermore-"*unaccountably dies of a bayonet through the throat*
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jrodefeld posted:Another vitally important thing the US government was NOT doing prior to World War 1 was maintaining a world empire and stationing troops around the world. Sure, there were events where we used our military for non-defensive purposes, but in comparison to the foreign policy of the 20th century? We had a much more non-interventionist military policy in the 19th century. I'm sure the people of the Philippines will be glad to hear that the United States did not actually wage a brutal three-year war against them to maintain its world empire. And many Latin Americans will rejoice when they learn that we did not repeatedly invade and depose their governments in order to maintain our economic empire in the 19th and early 20th centuries! Here are just a few such non-existent imperialist military adventures: http://www.zompist.com/latam.html Jrod, have you every considered fact-checking something before you spew it onto one of your screeds? Smiling Knight fucked around with this message at 15:01 on Oct 15, 2015 |
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Smiling Knight posted:I'm sure the people of the Philippines will be glad to hear that the United States did not actually wage a brutal three-year war against them to maintain its world empire. And many Latin Americans will rejoice when they here that we did not repeatedly invade and depose their governments in order to maintain our economic empire in the 19th and early 20th centuries! Here are just a few such non-existent imperialist military adventures: Heh, look at this scrub who thinks such paltry things like "facts," "evidence," and "even the slightest understanding of human history" can stack up against the undeniable, axiomatic truths logically derived from first principles!
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jrodefeld posted:Oh I see. Ever getting help from anyone somehow makes me a hypocritical libertarian? For the record, I only ever borrowed $1000 from my grandparents which I promptly paid back, but way to bring up a red herring. "YOU CAN'T HAVE NANA'S MONEY MOOCHERS, THAT MONEY'S FOR ME TO BORROW INTEREST FREE!" -jrod to starving children
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The fact that libertarians tolerate Hoppe rather than going out of their way to condemn him proves that their courting of racists was hardly skin-deep; in fact, they're racists to a man, with a few fussbudget dupes thrown into the mix like William Grigg.
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SedanChair posted:The fact that libertarians tolerate Hoppe rather than going out of their way to condemn him proves that their courting of racists was hardly skin-deep; in fact, they're racists to a man, with a few fussbudget dupes thrown into the mix like William Grigg. Um excuse me it's not racist if you're only supporting racists and racist policies in order to get a tax cut
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jrodefeld posted:gently caress you and get the gently caress off of my thread. I don't have any goddamn patience for your loving poo poo anymore. Jrod, are you implying that you'd initiate aggression in order to coerce somebody to not exercise their freedom of speech? I was just about to be convinced that Liberitarianism is the way and the light by your superior logic, but this revelation has shaken my nascent conviction to its very roots.
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Captain_Maclaine posted:"You see, heavily armed goons who currently control our neighborhood, we're just not satisfied with the level of service you're providing and have decided to stop paying you and hire someone else. This, we think, is rational, well-thought-out, and in no way a parallel to when the post-Roman Britons decided stopping paying their Saxon mercenaries was a great idea with no potential backlash. Furthermore-"*unaccountably dies of a bayonet through the throat* It must be so confusing to read a history book as a Libertarian. "I don't understand what's happening here, why didn't the Abbasids just tell the Mongols they were happy with their current DRO and weren't interested in switching providers at this time, but they'd consider it if Great Khan DRO would send them a brochure detailing the latest offerings and specials? Surely the Mongols wouldn't want to alienate potential customers with too-aggressive marketing techniques!" VitalSigns fucked around with this message at 15:24 on Oct 15, 2015 |
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VitalSigns posted:It must be so confusing to read a history book as a Libertarian. I'm not convinced that they ever do, and libertarian writing, Jrod's in particular, leaves me wondering just how literate they are as a group.
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VitalSigns posted:It must be so confusing to read a history book as a Libertarian. "And why didn't the Europeans stop doing buisness with the Mongols after they initiated force against the Abbasids? Didn't they know that the Mongol's hostile takeover of the Abbasids was good for the Mongols but bad for the people they were taking over? They should have stopped doing buisness with the Mongols, that would have stopped them!"
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jrodefeld posted:I promise I am NOT getting into a debate about Hoppe but I will only correct one thing you said. Hoppe doesn't host a conference for "race realists". He runs his own organization called "The Property and Freedom Society" which hosts lots of different speakers, even controversial ones. Can you list some of the 'controversial' speakers he invited (other than open white supremacists) who's views went against his own and general Libertarian thought, or did he just invite Libertarians and racists for some reason? jrodefeld posted:gently caress you and get the gently caress off of my thread. I don't have any goddamn patience for your loving poo poo anymore. How is calling someone out on the racism of their intellectual idols on an internet forum acting like a tough guy, or cowardly? Strawman fucked around with this message at 15:46 on Oct 15, 2015 |
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Uhhh, you guys are forgetting that these states prevented reputation agencies from forming. How would the Europeans have known?
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VitalSigns posted:It must be so confusing to read a history book as a Libertarian. No joke, Khan Industries DRO has amazing benefits for early adopters and a long history of beating other DROs on the proverbial battlefield. Why, they even made the gigantic Jade Emperor DRO pledge huge settlements time and again.
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Wait, so what if a plantation both had slaves working the land, and was stolen from Native tribes? Who gets the land then? The white people dojrodefeld posted:Cato puts out a yearly report where they rank the countries of the world according to their "economic freedom", i.e. correlation of policies with libertarian ideology. This year, the United States ranks 16th. 
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I'm surprised China didn't make the list, since (although the President is apparently trying to turn things around) businesses there have the freedom to do things like pollute rivers until they're full of neon orange sludge, but I guess that would be giving away the game.
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Nolanar posted:Wait, so what if a plantation both had slaves working the land, and was stolen from Native tribes? Who gets the land then? The white people do We've been saying for a while that selling your property (you) to someone else is perfectly legitimate in libertarian society, so I don't see why the UAE and Qatar aren't libertarian. Other than maybe that vile statist redistribution of oil wealth to the non-slave populace, and the part where they're literal monarchies in violation of homesteading rights. I suppose the citizens of Qatar should contract with another
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jrodefeld posted:None of us can undo the atrocities committed by people in the past. The best we can do is provide a consistent theoretical framework for understanding what constitutes just property and which constitutes stolen property. This of course means that some of us will be the unfair beneficiaries of past theft that cannot be proven or completely overturned. There isn't any perfect solution to this problem no matter what ideology you subscribe to. (Seriously, though, read that. Please, for gently caress's sake, read that.) jrodefeld posted:You might be able to anticipate my response, but the problem you faced has everything to do with the fact that the police are a part of the State. They have absolutely NO incentive to retrieve your stolen stuff. If, on the other hand you could hire competing security forces to secure your neighborhood and catch and punish thieves then you would be far more likely to see much better protection of your property rights. After all, a private business that depends on your voluntary payments rather than coercive taxation has every incentive to provide you with a good service. If they don't, you can fire them and hire a different security company. It boggles the mind. jrodefeld posted:Where did I say that? If laissez-faire just came naturally, the world would be made up of libertarian countries. No, people have to have some economic literacy. People aren't born knowing everything. You'd have to read Bastiat's "The Law" or Hazlitt's "Economics in One Lesson" or something similar to be able to think like an economist. Remember, the primary difference between a good economist and a bad economist is that the good economist takes note of the "unseen" as well as the seen. This is not natural. It requires an understanding of economics and opportunity costs.  big enough.jrodefeld posted:gently caress you and get the gently caress off of my thread. I don't have any goddamn patience for your loving poo poo anymore.  Also, since you seem to have skipped over it again: quote:Oh, Jrod, I know you've got a lot of people yelling at you, but I did have a first page response that I'd really like it if you could respond to. If nothing else, to just these three tiny questions:
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God I'm so sick and you've posted so much. I think for once you're sheer verboseness has outdone my ability to respond to all of your crazy poo poo Jrodefeld. Bravo, today I will have to pick and choose.jrodefeld posted:Cato puts out a yearly report where they rank the countries of the world according to their "economic freedom", i.e. correlation of policies with libertarian ideology. This year, the United States ranks 16th. Where do I even begin with this. Well to start with the top country on your list of countries isn't a loving country. So... yeah that sort of says a lot about the validity of your data. To give you the benefit of the doubt Cato actually judges it by 'economies' not countries. On top of that I'm not sure why you think posting the opinion of Cato is something that we would find persuasive. To be clear I know the data you're talking about, and I also know what is wrong with it. In particular the issue with the Cato EFW data is that it is completely loving arbitrary. The metrics used to make up this chart are 100% subjective and weighted in a way that depends entirely on the whims of the group writing them. For example, the score given to a country is based off of five factors: Size of Government, Legal System and Property Rights, Sound Money, Freedom to Trade Internationally and Regulation. Each of those five sections are themselves made up of between one and nine subsections which themselves can be made up of between one and six subsections. Size of government for example has A-D sections with D having two subsections. Legal System and Property Rights has nine sections with no subsections while Regulation only has A-C with a total of 16 subsections between them. Confused yet? On top of the frankly ridiculous format used to determine their sections Cato then ascribes a score between 1-10 to each of the sections and subsections, which in term average out to determine the score for the top factor. Thus, for example, Hong Kong gets a 9.4 in Size of government because it has an average of 9.4 between its sections of Government consumption, transfers and subsudies, government enterprises and investment and Top marginal tax rate. Stay with me, we're almost done. So what is wrong with all of that? Well the simple fact is that it is made up numbers in made up categories without any science to back it up. Cato defines Economic Freedom in its ideological way (the libertarian ideology of course) which means that things like hours regulations, minimum wage, collective bargaining (unions) and other such terrifying things count against a country even though most normal people would say that ability to be in a union can increase the economic freedom of that person. Moreover there is no weighting to any of it. Black market exchange rates (which is a category for some reason) is actually more important than impartial courts on their scoring system, because Black market exchange rates is one of four while impartial courts is 1 of 9 and thus its impact is split. Does that seem crazy to you? It should. The Cato institute 'study' on economic freedom means nothing because it is an ideological talking point. It exists so that libertarians can do exactly what you are doing and go "Look at how free these places are compared to us! Don't you want to be free!" devoid of any context or meaning.
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The funny thing is that those European social democracies have more economic freedom precisely because of their social democratic economic policy, the kind that is so vehemently fought being implemented here by American libertarians/conservatives.
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"How dare you ask me to demonstrate the validity of my ideals with evidence. Stop asking questions!"
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The Mattybee posted:Remember when Muscle Tracer called you out on not answering that question about healthcare and elasticity? Here, let me post it again for you, just in case at some point you forgot. and the best part was, when he finally answered it, his answer was literally "doctors are good people and wouldn't do that" that's when i stopped posting and started shitposting p.s., gently caress you jrode. you are worse than an idiot, you are one of those willfully ignorant fucks that has become so invested in sucking the dick of some white rear end in a top hat that you can't see beyond the forest of pubes interlocking with your eyelashes. the tenets of your ideology are everything that is wrong with the united states and the world at large. kill yourself.
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jrodefeld posted:gently caress you and get the gently caress off of my thread. I don't have any goddamn patience for your loving poo poo anymore. Lmao yes I would, you fuckin baby. You've been doing that poo poo for a solid year because rather than confront the fact that many of the people you agree with are racist, sexist shitheads, you just go "but I don't want to talk about that" Tough fuckin titties. Put your big boy pants on, grow a spine, and confront the fact that your ideology attracts awful shitheaps who would use it to oppress the other. BENGHAZI 2 fucked around with this message at 16:38 on Oct 15, 2015 |
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jrodefeld posted:Let's get this straight though. I am not obligated to answer every single post on YOUR schedule. I've wasted far more time than I should on these forums. It's like you are unaware that unlike apparently some of you, I actually have a day job, family obligations and other hobbies. If I don't post here every loving week or every month, it doesn't make me a "coward" who had to concede defeat. nice revisionist history fuckhole, for literally three months you avoided what was essentially the only non-caros effortpost in the thread in favor of telling off people who pointed out that paul levesque is a massive loving racist, while people continually asked you what you thought of inelasticity of demand. a valid, effortful thought experiment was posed that completely shatters your ideology and you refused to even acknowledge it, much less try to address it. and you still haven't even tried to engage with it, because as has been correctly pointed out over and over again you are a spineless coward who doesn't even have the courage to understand his own loving ideas. crawl back into the cesspit that spawned you and drown yourself in the sea of pus and excrement that shaped you.
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Muscle Tracer posted:nice revisionist history fuckhole, for literally three months you avoided what was essentially the only non-caros effortpost in the thread in favor of telling off people who pointed out that paul levesque is a massive loving racist, while people continually asked you what you thought of inelasticity of demand. a valid, effortful thought experiment was posed that completely shatters your ideology and you refused to even acknowledge it, much less try to address it. and you still haven't even tried to engage with it, because as has been correctly pointed out over and over again you are a spineless coward who doesn't even have the courage to understand his own loving ideas. crawl back into the cesspit that spawned you and drown yourself in the sea of pus and excrement that shaped you. there are a couple of people who have been asking the same questions about elasticity of demand and Carl and his CCCP every time he pops up for a year. every time he skips over them to pick a fight he doesn't want to have over HHH being racist. gently caress off, jrode. you don't get to talk down to anybody on this forum.
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jrodefeld posted:gently caress you and get the gently caress off of my thread. I don't have any goddamn patience for your loving poo poo anymore. If you'd like to give me an E-mail I'll send you all my personal details so that you can come and fight me. That said, if you're going to whine about people dogpiling you I have some suggestions. I am still happy to debate you in any format you'd like, 1 on 1 with a moderator of your choice. My offer even still stands to buy you a webcam or microphone in case you are somehow too poor to avoid something that goes for like twenty bucks at best buy. I will even stay up until the unreasonable hours you usually seem to be online! If you're too busy (coughchickenshitcough) to do that then maybe you can convince mods to open a 1 on 1 Jrodefeld debate thread where only one poster can argue with you at a time so you can't complain about all the people piling on and being mean to you? I don't know if they'd go for it but it's better than nothing right?  I'm sure there is some other solution that you could go through that doesn't involve you acting like a tough guy to something awful posters. jrodefeld posted:Oh I see. Ever getting help from anyone somehow makes me a hypocritical libertarian? For the record, I only ever borrowed $1000 from my grandparents which I promptly paid back, but way to bring up a red herring. quote:There is another example that involves myself. In my early 20s I dealt with some fairly serious medical issues. My family, especially my grandparents were able to help me out financially as I could only work part time and needed to pay bills to see some doctors. My parents wanted me to apply for Social Security disability. I never was able to complete the lengthy process. I kept being denied even though I had explicit doctors notes explaining why I couldn't work a full time job. I even spoke to a disability lawyer about the situation. He said that it can take up to three YEARS to get on disability and he would have to fight the bureaucracy every step of the way. Being on State assistance is a full time job in many ways. Right off the bat I want to make sure everyone knows the context for the first part of this post. Because it is amazing. Jrodefeld was arguing against universal health care policies under the argument that people would get help when they needed it. In his case meemaw and poppop covered his medical bills when he needed them to. People have rightly made fun of him for this because Jrodefeld seems incapable of understanding the concept that some people don't have grandparents that can swoop in to save the day, or that some people have medical issues more than $1,000 and that they might need some kind of help, perhaps some sort of social assistance if you would. It might be a bit petty to snark on this point, but gently caress him. I have no patience for people who will work to keep other people from getting medical care because of a misplaced economic belief. quote:Let's get this straight though. I am not obligated to answer every single post on YOUR schedule. I've wasted far more time than I should on these forums. It's like you are unaware that unlike apparently some of you, I actually have a day job, family obligations and other hobbies. If I don't post here every loving week or every month, it doesn't make me a "coward" who had to concede defeat. I agree your time here has been a waste for you but it has been comedy gold for us. Also Jrod, this may shock you but the vast majority of SA posters are gainfully employed. I probably make multiple times your annual income, I just also work from home instead of at a K-Mart (or wherever... do they even still have those?) so I can afford to spend time calling you out on your bullshit. And yes, it does kind of make you a coward. He isn't wrong in saying that you have a specific style of post. You go on a rant about a topic, people start challenging you, people get annoyed when you handwave off their response and start asking you about your watermelon fetish and how HHH is a racist gently caress. Perhaps most crucial of your habits however is your insistence on trying to get the last word. You've done it multiple times today in fact. You don't want to talk about vaccines, but here are all the reasons people should be worried about vaccines. You aren't interested in talking about racism, but here are all the reasons HHH isn't a racist. If you don't want to talk about something then don't. Simply say "I'm not interested in talking about racism because it is a topic that has been done to death and we clearly disagree" and then move on. You set the argument and people here would likely respect you more if you just refused to get side tracked than if you talk about how much you're not going to talk about vaccines before posting a thousand word screed on how vaccination is the devil. quote:I don't care what the gently caress you do. Just don't aim those loving guns in my direction. You don't really care about the State violence committed on your behalf. If there is a social problem you are concerned about, go fix it! Work in the market, create something, innovate. Don't use the political process to terrorize your fellow man into complying with your social designs. Taxation isn't theft and you have never had a gun pointed at you in your entire life you insufferable simpleton. I absolutely care about state violence comitted on my behalf, like violence overseas. I don't consider arresting someone for tax evasion violence because I (and society) consider him to be a loving thief. quote:This is what sociopaths do. Civilized people interact with others on a voluntary basis. Civilized people have paid taxes since the concept of civilization has existed. The fact that you don't like them does not mean we are beholden to your skewed worldview. quote:There is a reason I am trying to be really clear about what rights people have and what constitutes just property titles. If there is clarity on these fronts, it means you can't weasel your way out of it when it is inconvenient for you. You all want to make things very vague, so you can justify State coercion without constraint. And you have failed! At no point in the last week have you adequately explained why your version of property rights should be uber alles. Indeed you have conceded the fact that property rights are a fiction created by people, yet you still seem incapable of understanding the fact that if people can create one fiction to solve social problems (property) then they are well within their ability to allow for taxation. quote:For a principled person, there is a threshold that must be met if the State is to seize property. The property must be proven to be invalid for some clearly defined reason. It shouldn't be a vague justification or a democratic whim of the majority. See this is why everyone calls you a backwards watermelon fucker. You're being a little passive aggressive shithead here. Fun fact Jrodefeld, 95% of americans believe that paying taxes is their civic duty, which means you just insulted 95% of your fellow citizens by calling them unprincipled. Do you think that maybe insulting the vast majority of people is maybe not a coherent strategy to making your case? And I hate to break it to you, but the democratic whim of the majority is the only reason we have property. If people disagreed with the concept of private property we could have full communism now. People decide what does and doesn't belong to others by social consensus, and social consensus says your taxes aren't yours. Suck it up buttercup.
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jrodefeld posted:gently caress you and get the gently caress off of my thread. I don't have any goddamn patience for your loving poo poo anymore. lmao "you' wouldn't start poo poo with me when i'm with my Economy Club Boys, we'll go all kinds of chicago school on your a**" LtW all shielding his head getting his nose broke by a cloud of exquisite italian leather pennyloafers
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Caros posted:If you'd like to give me an E-mail I'll send you all my personal details so that you can come and fight me. he challenged me first, i get first crack at this and I choose to set up a boxing match
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between the impending meltdown after some predictable softball trolling and the extremely late night posts i think old jrod is finding himself a little deep in the liquid libertarianism these days
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Jrod posted:incentivising a parasitic class to mooch off the State rather than earn a living off honest, productive labor. This is a major reason you get no sympathy, and why libertarians are near universally reviled outside of conservative circles. You denigrate the weak and the destitute. You punch down at the people who can least do something about it. You're bullies who want to remove the last bit of protection that the weakest among us have from capital's predations. The only parasitic class, is the Capital class. When you inherit a fortune, it's easy to start and run (well, sit back while other people run) successful businesses. There is no risk of destitution for the Capital class.
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I think my favorite part of these threads is when people get tired of libertarian's poo poo and just explode into a bout of unpolite truth telling. These people are literally trying to obliterate all that is good and just in the world through a chosen ideology, not a heritage imposed on them, not a sense of obligation to carry out a hired job but a true and completely voluntary decision to not only take selfishly and hypocritically from the commons, but also try to remove that option from others. They are the unveiled and true evil actors in this world and a cancer on society and only because of the civility of better men and women than themselves does our figurative society politely gaze down at our navels and entertains the idea that "hmm yes perhaps there is room for the serial rapist and murderers of society at the bargaining table, everyone has their place after all..." gently caress libertarians and shame every single one agressively and vehemently until their ideology is properly left in the trash bin of history.
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jrodefeld posted:I'm not talking about vaccines other than to say that I stand by my view that I oppose the State forcing people to take them against their will. I never said vaccines are "bad", or that people shouldn't take them. I stated something that is true, namely that there is a real danger to granting pharmaceutical companies carte blanche to produce vaccines that the State then MANDATES the public to take. The incentive structure is such that it encourages an overproduction of vaccines and pressure to give more and more vaccines at younger and younger ages, beyond the reasonable demands of public safety. Where's your skepticism of big money and distrust of corporate greed when it comes to vaccine production, Progressives? gently caress YOU gently caress You gently caress you gently caress you fuckyoufukyoufcuaklsdafklgbnkl;erfge!!! Jrodefeld people can go back and check this sort of thing. You spent nearly twenty posts in the libertarian thread talking about the dangers of vaccines. You went on a rant about Thimerisol, and how unsafe it is to have so many vaccines back to back. You rambled on about how ineffective they were despite medical evidence showing that you were up your own rear end. You posted an honest to god quack doctor talking about how measles "Isn't really that bad" because the death rate in modern america is so low. You made false claims about the chicken pox vaccine causing an increased rate of shingles. You talked about how you had measles as a kid and it really wasn't that bad. All of this culminated in people making fun of you for getting your amalgam fillings drilled out because your dentist told you that you needed to have them out to keep from getting dangerous (HA) amounts of mercury in your system. When I pointed out to you that not only is this not true, that in fact having the fillings removed actually introduces far more mercury to your system in one large dose than the entire length of the fillings, you quietly shut up about the topic. The last thing you had to say about it was this: quote:I don't think that the American Dental Society is secretly poisoning everyone. I think the detrimental health effects of Mercury fillings, where they exist, are subtle and most people probably won't notice any issues. With that said, given the advances in composite fillings, there is no longer any need to use mercury fillings so we shouldn't use them. Now to be clear you posted that after being confronted with this link from the American Dental Association which says, in part: quote:Dental amalgam is considered a safe, affordable and durable material that has been used to restore the teeth of more than 100 million Americans. It contains a mixture of metals such as silver, copper and tin, in addition to mercury, which binds these components into a hard, stable and safe substance. Dental amalgam has been studied and reviewed extensively, and has established a record of safety and effectiveness. Why should anyone take you seriously about anything. You were shown, unambiguously that your stated position on this issue is inconsistent with all known, reputable science on the issue. I linked you scientific study after scientific study (and there are literally dozens of them) and the last thing you had to say on the subject was some middling bullshit response about how you still think the effects exist (though subtle of course). You are incapable of accepting data that does not conform to your worldview. I think even a normal stubborn headed person, when confronted with overwhelming evidence and no contrasting theory would at least admit that "Yeah I could be wrong" but you won't. You refuse to admit that you were probably had by a dentist who convinced you to undergo unnecessary procedures. And this is true of everything you talk about. What is the point of even talking to you about something as nebulous as economics when you refuse to even acknowledge the possibility that you might have been scammed when faced with cold, unassailable facts. And this applies to your position on vaccines as well. You are wrong on vaccines. Every reputable pediatrician in the country says that our current vaccination schedule is safe and effective. The american pediatric society isn't in the pocket of big vaccine and your scaremongering on the issue is frankly offensive and disgusting. I refuse to let you get the last word on this issue because to do so would allow you to continue spreading misinformation and fear that will ultimately lead to the injury and death of children. What the gently caress is wrong with you Jrodefeld? Fight me.
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Literally The Worst posted:he challenged me first, i get first crack at this and I choose to set up a boxing match Now I'm just imagining this ending up like the Uwe Boll vs Lowtax match. Turns out Jrodefeld is this seven foot tall beast of a professional boxer who just beats the poo poo out of you.
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Literally The Worst posted:he challenged me first, i get first crack at this and I choose to set up a boxing match RuanGacho posted:I think my favorite part of these threads is when people get tired of libertarian's poo poo and just explode into a bout of unpolite truth telling. 
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Oct 15, 2015 17:15
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Popular Thug Drink posted:lmao "you' wouldn't start poo poo with me when i'm with my Economy Club Boys, we'll go all kinds of chicago school on your a**" You're laughing now, but remember that they can pass the hat around their grandparents to secure capital and hire the fearsome meth-head bum Shingles who lives just off-campus to provide extra non-coercive muscle. (remember that tyrannical sate measures like decent rehab clinics and mental care would further strangle the economy by ending this entrepreneurial option for voluntary security deals) And if Shingles decides that it's a better time preference to just shake them upside down cartoon-style for change, or is outbid by a goon offering a sweet sugary Faygo case, well, that's just the market asserting itself.
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Oct 15, 2015 17:19
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Caros posted:Now I'm just imagining this ending up like the Uwe Boll vs Lowtax match. Turns out Jrodefeld is this seven foot tall beast of a professional boxer who just beats the poo poo out of you. i'm a tiny scrappy former high school wrestler with mental health issues i got this poo poo
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Oct 15, 2015 17:22
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Sephyr posted:You're laughing now, but remember that they can pass the hat around their grandparents to secure capital and hire the fearsome meth-head bum Shingles who lives just off-campus to provide extra non-coercive muscle. (remember that tyrannical sate measures like decent rehab clinics and mental care would further strangle the economy by ending this entrepreneurial option for voluntary security deals) This reminds me of my favorite An-Cap argument. I once had an An-Cap argue that Ross Ulbright did nothing wrong because there is nothing immoral about hiring someone to murder another person. The killer is in the wrong, sure, but you're just engaging in voluntary exchange.
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Seriously though how do you come to the conclusion that you can be completely un-owing to society after having been born into it, going to school in it, being raised by it, going to work in it, living in its buildings, walking in its cities, and having your entire life defined by the contributions of others which you haven't returned in the slightest?
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