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SolidSnakesBandana posted:Before playing this, I would have been wary of letting another team take over, but now I dunno.... How much input does Kojima have? I know he's the final word and everything but does he focus on directing cutscenes and writing plot or does he also help design the gameplay? Cause honestly if it's just plot poo poo then I'd be fine with someone else at the helm. Apart from a few moments, I don't really feel much Kojima influence in Phantom Pain. Conversely, Ground Zeroes did feel comfortably Kojima to me. I dunno, I know I'm not being very specific here but I'm sure someone else knows what I mean So there's some easy stuff to ascribe to him, like all of the detail oriented game systems stacked on each other like camo, sound, and enemy preparedness. We get the full glory of a cardboard box fast travel system he has wanted to implement for nearly 30 years. We have an inordinate amount of gun porn contrasted with themes that ultimately look to pacifism. There's also some of the higher level experimental stuff we can expect came from him. Stuff like the focus on the player responsible for his own fundamental intelligence gathering. Its up to the player to sieve through a lot of really small but interesting details through eavesdropping on guards or CQC interrogations, basically a more important full blooming of systems he was interested in for the past 30 years and implemented in half measures like cardboard box fast travel. Incidentally the biggest complaint is how the story ended up in the tapes, however there is a staggering amount of missable guard conversations or VIP interrogations that lay down huge amounts of foreshadowing of the games story, even outside of scripted sequences like Lingua Franca and Traitor's Caravan.
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Fart Sandwiches posted:It kinda did that. The final scene is just before the battle between snake and venom. oh yeah, I totally got that. it just would have been so much more satisfying to have something other than that tiny callback. Eli gets a fair amount of exposure but it would have been cool to see David. To be fair this is also the most that the series has ever referred to the two by their real names, especially in those multiple scrolling timelines.
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zedprime posted:According to some prerelease media, TPP is a lot of gameplay design he has wanted to do since he began brainstorming for MG1 and just recently he recognized the state of the art has reached a point to be able to do it to his satisfaction. He seemed to think of it as a very high level transformation of the series, hence the change of the tag line to Tactical Espionage Operations. Replay the game, after developing all the weapons, with only lethal and no fultons. So then you have to extract those prisoners and hear what they are saying as you carry them to safety.
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Oct 15, 2015 16:23
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As I near the end of the game, I get exactly what Kojima meant when he said that this is Metal Gear Solid V, not Metal Gear Solid 5. Because it isn't Metal Gear Solid 5. The game is enjoyable in its own right and is a great stealth sandbox game but a lot of stuff just feels... missing. The crazy boss fights, weird codec conversations, a lot of Metal Gear hallmarks feel like they're either missing or exist in a diminished, toned down state. The game still has a lot of goofy stuff, but much of that comes from emergent gameplay and the game itself feels a lot darker and grittier than usual.
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Peace Walker was MGS5. It was even called MGS5: Peace Walker for awhile originally.
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Oct 15, 2015 16:27
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But TPP is Peace Walker made for next gen home consoles. Where's the truth.
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Oct 15, 2015 16:34
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Bring the Twin Snakes guys back, I fuckin loved everything about Twin Snakes. The only thing that has me hesitant to replay the old games is the lack of crouch walking, I really like that mechanic
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SPACE HOMOS posted:Replay the game, after developing all the weapons, with only lethal and no fultons. So then you have to extract those prisoners and hear what they are saying as you carry them to safety.
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SolidSnakesBandana posted:Bring the Twin Snakes guys back, I fuckin loved everything about Twin Snakes. The only thing that has me hesitant to replay the old games is the lack of crouch walking, I really like that mechanic No let's not bring Sillicon Knights back, they were good when they were second party Nintendo, but SK burned their bridges really hard because they were dissatisfied with the Wii and became a super lovely company without Nintendo keeping watch.
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Bholder posted:But TPP is Peace Walker made for next gen home consoles. It's the phantom version of peace walker literally and figuratively
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I got bored of linking to /r/neverbegameover but this chico talk reminded me that they datamined the companion app recently and found references to chico being in some outpost in africa along with more stuff about quiet reunion that now looks like it is a separate reunion set after a quiet exit plus the same stuff about camp omega map and mission 51 stuff we already knew about. not even going to comment on whether is cut or still to come in ~chapter 3~ or not, that loving subreddit has this new theory about the 6th man and delta man and like 4 other venom clones or some poo poo, i don't know. https://www.reddit.com/r/NeverBeGameOver/comments/3onerc/data_from_the_companion_app/ Vikar Jerome fucked around with this message at 16:53 on Oct 15, 2015 |
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Vikar Jerome posted:I got bored of linking to /r/neverbegameover but this chico talk reminded me that they datamined the companion app recently and found references to chico being in some outpost in africa along with more stuff about quiet reunion that now looks like it is a separate reunion set after a quiet exit plus the same stuff about camp omega map and mission 51 stuff we already knew about. 
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Speaking of lunacy I've been watching cutscenes over and over and here's my theory, the best theory. I don't want to have to back any of this up I just want to be able to say I called it after radiant kojima descends from the sky so he will take me back with him:
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Oct 15, 2015 17:03
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paz is chico d-dog is a patriot spy
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Oct 15, 2015 17:13
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d-dog is a good boy
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Oct 15, 2015 17:19
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pretty hosed up how huey has to scream about how d-dog is a wolf and we're all assholes for calling him a dog. I would have loved if, as he gets lowered in his raft, he's crying about "all I wanted to do was touch his paws" and bawling hysterically
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diamond dog posted:d-dog is a good boy I believe you mean good dog, goooooood
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Oct 15, 2015 17:29
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This game needed like 10 hours more cutscenes, minimum
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dangerdoom volvo posted:This game needed like 10 hours more cutscenes, minimum Agreed, completely sincerely and without guile.
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Oct 15, 2015 19:14
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We need a cutscene where Venom shows Quiet the basics of cqc, that way we'll know they really are in love
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Ekusukariba posted:We need a cutscene where Venom shows Quiet the basics of cqc, that way we'll know they really are in love *slams anime gf into steel railing face first*
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Did Code Talker wave his hands a few times and make Venom Snake blink? What was that about?
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MinibarMatchman posted:pretty hosed up how huey has to scream about how d-dog is a wolf and we're all assholes for calling him a dog. I would have loved if, as he gets lowered in his raft, he's crying about "all I wanted to do was touch his paws" and bawling hysterically EDIT: Come to think of it that's probably why Ocelot of all people is the one who trains DD. He trains a wolf to be a dog as he trains Venom to be Big Boss, each of them really something he's not. Makes a lot more sense of why Huey's scene leads directly into Truth.
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Oct 15, 2015 22:37
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I just beat Mission 46 and listened to all the gold cassette tapes it unlocked: is there anything else to the story I haven't done? I beat GZ on a friends profile, so if there's something to unlock with that, I'm locked out
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Oct 15, 2015 23:46
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Once you've done 43, 45, and 46, and listened to all associated tapes, that's the end of the story.
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setafd posted:I just beat Mission 46 and listened to all the gold cassette tapes it unlocked: is there anything else to the story I haven't done? I beat GZ on a friends profile, so if there's something to unlock with that, I'm locked out listen to the soldier with stomach problems tape on a loop through speakers while walking around motherbase. do this for exactly 69 minutes and it will unlock chapter 4.
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Nakar posted:Incidentally on a replay I overheard a conversation about DD where one of the Mother Base soldiers gets really defensive over another one suggesting DD is a wolf and not a dog. It's well before the Huey sequence and is essentially foreshadowing for it. They can say this really early, I heard it on chapter 1. I like to imagine it's the same guys who were talking about puppy paw pads.
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notZaar posted:They can say this really early, I heard it on chapter 1. I like to imagine it's the same guys who were talking about puppy paw pads.
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I was at Mother Base today and a soldier said "Whoever you are, I'll follow you no matter what" or something to that effect. I didn't realize my soldiers found out about my secret identity?
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Ometeotl posted:I was at Mother Base today and a soldier said "Whoever you are, I'll follow you no matter what" or something to that effect. I didn't realize my soldiers found out about my secret identity? I like to think Venom has no clue what he means and everyone but him knows
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I kept waiting for the Eli is actually a clone of miller bomb to drop, he looks so much more like kaz than boss.
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4000 Dollar Suit posted:I kept waiting for the Eli is actually a clone of miller bomb to drop, he looks so much more like kaz than boss. I mean... the fact that they look alike in this game makes so much sense that it hurts. If you think about how the character of Liquid Snake was first introduced to the series.
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Nail Rat posted:I believe you mean good dog, best friend
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Someone should've cloned Kaz. Sure BB does the important fieldwork and makes big executive decisions, but Kaz must be an administrative god to handle the logistics of a private army with an impractical ocean clubhouse with constant ongoing construction, and run a burger joint on the side.
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Hobo By Design posted:Someone should've cloned Kaz. Sure BB does the important fieldwork and makes big executive decisions, but Kaz must be an administrative god to handle the logistics of a private army with an impractical ocean clubhouse with constant ongoing construction, and run a burger joint on the side. Perhaps, but you can teach someone administrative duties and logistics. Snake's genetics made him the perfect soldier, and that can't be taught (I guess?) so that's why he's hot bait for cloning.
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Unless, of course, you put a prosthetic arm on some medic and hypnotize him.
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CharlieWhiskey posted:Unless, of course, you put a prosthetic arm on some medic and hypnotize him. Or train a child soldier by making them eat gunpowder.
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RZApublican posted:Or train a child soldier by making them eat gunpowder. Exceptions for Eli.
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To be fair Miller makes a lot of assumptions in the game that end up being wrong or only half right (Quiet being a Skull, Cipher being the bad guy, Skullface wanting to destroy everything but English). Sally's nuclear self-destuct makes no sense, isn't implied by anything, doesn't add anything to Skullface's plan, but there's a whole tape of Miller going "yeah I'm pretty sure this thing can use magic bacteria with particle accelerators floating in their cytoplasm to transmute depleted uranium into u235." It's easy to handwave that stuff as a videogame but I prefer to think Miller is a little dumb sometimes.
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Most of the assumptions Miller makes are wrong but at the time he makes them I don't see why he wouldn't think them. Quiet exhibits a bunch of powers similar to the Skulls, it makes sense to assume she is one (and the Sniper Skulls basically work just like her, so...). They didn't know Skull Face had taken over Cipher until later, and Ocelot was actually the one who told them Skull Face was responsible for MSF's destruction. And "he wants to wipe out every language except English" was supported by the evidence that they were training parasites to react to every language yet not one was being trained in English. The game basically casts Miller as the impulsive guy who is wrong every time but in most cases he's just being sensible. It is kind of a dumb idea to let Quiet live, and if Venom hadn't gotten super lucky that she decided against speaking she would've killed them all with the English strain. It was reasonable to assume those other things as well, especially since wiping out all but one language makes perfect sense if you assume Zero is still in control of Cipher, and it's Ocelot who has the info about Zero's state. Ocelot ends up right all the time because he's withholding information, because he's Ocelot.
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