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moxieman: Jul 30, 2013; I'd rather die than go to heaven.

Eyud posted:

You should just replace all those words with "set your FOV to whatever you think looks good and have fun".

I think 180 looks pretty rad.

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advion: Jul 25, 2005

tater_salad posted:

I really should buy a 1/2 off irscing sub but the start times always meant I was stressed getting kids to bed so I could race at a decent time.

So do the race after that?

# ? Oct 15, 2015 02:14

Tony Montana: Aug 6, 2005; by FactsAreUseless

Eyud posted:

You should just replace all those words with "set your FOV to whatever you think looks good and have fun".

There is more to it than that.

Tony Montana fucked around with this message at 04:11 on Oct 15, 2015

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Halo14: Sep 11, 2001

GhostDog posted:

I also did the FOV section, can someone please tell me that what I've written makes sense?

It helped me a lot. Thanks.

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OhsH: Jan 12, 2008

Please let fov chat die now, some people find it important and some dont, it's not an indicator of skill or maturity.

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tater_salad: Sep 15, 2007

advion posted:

So do the race after that?

But like job and stuff I think when I was doing trucks my choices were 10 or midnight..

# ? Oct 15, 2015 03:24

Eyud: Aug 5, 2006

GhostDog posted:

And a reminder that Patrick Giranthon is a SCE modding treasure and pretty much every track he converted to SCE in the last year or so is quality. Here's Road Atlanta: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUUStGeX0U4

Thanks for this by the way, I downloaded a bunch and have been driving the Super V8 all over them tonight. Good stuff.

# ? Oct 15, 2015 03:42

Tony Montana: Aug 6, 2005; by FactsAreUseless

OhsH posted:

Please let fov chat die now, some people find it important and some dont, it's not an indicator of skill or maturity.

I don't know if I agree. Listening to people that have gone before you, using the recommendations of the technical people that designed the software and putting these things before your own ideas because you respect knowledge is both mature and a skill.

As I said last time this came up, you can drive around in first gear if you want too. But that just devolves into 'do what makes you feel good' which isn't much to discuss. An objective discussion about how to configure parts of the simulation for best results, in quantifiable medium like racing as opposed to other kinds of gaming, usually ends up with the recommended FOV settings are recommended for reasons.

# ? Oct 15, 2015 03:55

365 Nog Hogger: Jan 19, 2008; by Shine

At the correct FOV (which I am currently using, 22-4* depending on seating position), I can't see jack poo poo from the cockpit on my 24" monitor, if I was planning on driving with other people you bet your rear end I would be using an unrealistic FOV.

# ? Oct 15, 2015 04:11

Tony Montana: Aug 6, 2005; by FactsAreUseless

Define what 'jack poo poo' is.

I can't see my tacho or much left or right at all with the correct FOV I use in iRacing. For many years I thought that was silly so pulled it back and sucked, getting incidents, misjudging braking and slides.. iRacing just seemed to be an impenetrable spergland that I just wasn't willing to commit to the time to get good enough to really compete.

FOV changed it all for me, now I'm used to it I'm getting the best results I've ever gotten.

I do drive with other people, with a system that counts every wheel you put wrong and I've never driven better than with a 45 degree FOV. I have buttons to look left and right and you don't even do that much anymore when you've got enough experience (and the spotting software helps) to know where another car is without having to stare at it.

Do whatever you like.. but when you want to focus in on a medium where it matters, I'm just expressing what made a huge difference for me. It just took me accepting that perhaps I didn't know what I was talking about and maybe these people that do it a lot do.

# ? Oct 15, 2015 04:17

Eyud: Aug 5, 2006

I'm glad you found the FOV that works best for you.

# ? Oct 15, 2015 04:33

GhostDog: Jul 30, 2003; Always see everything.

I added a disclaimer to the FOV section:

quote:

This is a touchy subject because it goes into "let me tell you how to play this game right" territory. Just consider this my personal opinion, you're obviously free to play the game the way you see fit.

I'll leave it at that.

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Jehde: Apr 21, 2010

The PC Sim Racing Thread - FOV and physics

# ? Oct 15, 2015 07:30

GhostDog: Jul 30, 2003; Always see everything.

Did we even have a physics slapfight yet? Maybe we should start one just to get it out of the way?

# ? Oct 15, 2015 07:34

365 Nog Hogger: Jan 19, 2008; by Shine

Tony Montana posted:

Define what 'jack poo poo' is.

190E Evo 2 cockpit at 23*, I had to verify that was indeed as far back as I could go without clipping through the headrest. Works just fine for driving, you could even say it's pretty correct; I also can't see anything at all around me and looking right and left shows me seat/metal.

# ? Oct 15, 2015 07:54

GhostDog: Jul 30, 2003; Always see everything.

Is that 23 FOV? Okay, if you have to go that low you can't even see cars that are practically in front of you it's time to fudge the numbers a bit. And look into ways to get the monitor closer.

# ? Oct 15, 2015 08:08

bUm: Jan 11, 2011

365 Nog Hogger posted:

At the correct FOV (which I am currently using, 22-4* depending on seating position), I can't see jack poo poo from the cockpit on my 24" monitor, if I was planning on driving with other people you bet your rear end I would be using an unrealistic FOV.

Yeah, I feel like having the technically accurate FoV with a small monitor is kind of a bad situation because you end up with so little peripheral vision and looking around can be distracting (with a controller, not sure if it'd be better or worse with a wheel to reach for a button) as you're trying to focus on driving.

In fact, if you watch the Emptybox video, he explicit states that his theoretically correct calls for 55 (or thereabouts) degrees, but he uses a 65 (or thereabouts) because it is a decent compromise between :rice:

speed thanks to to distant objects wrapping (90 degrees) and forced tunnel vision (see a couple posts back). As long as you don't have it ridiculously unrealistic so you can see straight out the side window while looking straight ahead on a single monitor, you're probably not completely ruining your potential even if you might be able to do a bit better (at the potential cost of it feeling right, even if it technically is).

It's nice to have a section there as reference for people who are interested in messing with it to at least see their theoretical and then work towards something that feels good.

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SealHammer: Jul 4, 2010; Click to understand my bad faith posting.

Tony Montana posted:

Define what 'jack poo poo' is.

I can't see my tacho or much left or right at all with the correct FOV I use in iRacing. For many years I thought that was silly so pulled it back and sucked, getting incidents, misjudging braking and slides.. iRacing just seemed to be an impenetrable spergland that I just wasn't willing to commit to the time to get good enough to really compete.

FOV changed it all for me, now I'm used to it I'm getting the best results I've ever gotten.

I do drive with other people, with a system that counts every wheel you put wrong and I've never driven better than with a 45 degree FOV. I have buttons to look left and right and you don't even do that much anymore when you've got enough experience (and the spotting software helps) to know where another car is without having to stare at it.

Do whatever you like.. but when you want to focus in on a medium where it matters, I'm just expressing what made a huge difference for me. It just took me accepting that perhaps I didn't know what I was talking about and maybe these people that do it a lot do.

you sound like the kind of guy who'd get mad when he gets beaten by someone who uses an xbox controller

# ? Oct 15, 2015 08:16

Tony Montana: Aug 6, 2005; by FactsAreUseless

Hehe, yeah come to iRacing with an xbox controller. That'll work out just great.

# ? Oct 15, 2015 08:30

SealHammer: Jul 4, 2010; Click to understand my bad faith posting.

Tony Montana posted:

Hehe, yeah come to iRacing with an xbox controller. That'll work out just great.

If you can win a race with a phone, you can win a race with a gamepad, yeah?

# ? Oct 15, 2015 09:02

Halo14: Sep 11, 2001

365 Nog Hogger posted:

190E Evo 2 cockpit at 23*, I had to verify that was indeed as far back as I could go without clipping through the headrest. Works just fine for driving, you could even say it's pretty correct; I also can't see anything at all around me and looking right and left shows me seat/metal.

drat they sacked Fernando Alonso already?

# ? Oct 15, 2015 10:25

Tony Montana: Aug 6, 2005; by FactsAreUseless

SealHammer posted:

If you can win a race with a phone, you can win a race with a gamepad, yeah?

Really? hehe I'd like to see that, you got a link or something? We're not talking about an oval are we?

# ? Oct 15, 2015 10:54

njsykora: Jan 23, 2012; Robots confuse squirrels.

GhostDog posted:

Did we even have a physics slapfight yet? Maybe we should start one just to get it out of the way?

Inside Sim Racing put up a video of the new expansion for The Crew because Ubisoft invited them to a press day for it and the comments on that video are amazing. I'm still annoyed that "Outside Sim Racing" isn't the highest rated comment.

# ? Oct 15, 2015 11:58

GhostDog: Jul 30, 2003; Always see everything.

I guess with enough persistance you can control a car with just about anything. Or at least a sim car where you don't have to deal with bumping around at 160mph and 2g while operating sensitive devices.

On that note: http://www.virtualr.net/mouth-controlled-sim-racing-using-quadstick-video

# ? Oct 15, 2015 12:04

njsykora: Jan 23, 2012; Robots confuse squirrels.

It's worth a look to occasionally pop into iRacing's 'iRacers with Physical Challenges' subforum and check out some of the stuff they've hacked together to let them race. Like wheels with the shifter paddles modified to be analog paddles to function as accelerate and brake for people in wheelchairs. There was a video floating around a while back of a dude who had muscle problems in his left arm and somehow managed to find a setup that worked well enough for him to race in top splits.

# ? Oct 15, 2015 12:54

Cojawfee: May 31, 2006; I think the US is dumb for not using Celsius

When your monitor is across the room then yeah, you can't really see anything

# ? Oct 15, 2015 13:06

365 Nog Hogger: Jan 19, 2008; by Shine

Dream Pack 2: Much less dreamy
I spent the $7.99 despite only really being interested in the Countach. It sounds nice. That's my review. :effort:

Cojawfee posted:

When your monitor is across the room then yeah, you can't really see anything

It's 30-32 inches away but ok.

# ? Oct 15, 2015 16:35

wolrah: May 8, 2006; what?

On FOV can we all just agree on these two things:

There is a "correct" FOV setting which produces the most accurate image for your screen size and seating position.
There is a minimum useful FOV, below which the loss in ability to see around your vehicle outweighs the distortions caused by an inaccurate FOV setting.

If your seating and display situation allows for your "correct" FOV to be usefully large, it's probably best to at least try using that first. If not, do what feels like the best compromise.

# ? Oct 15, 2015 17:09

Norns: Nov 21, 2011; Senior Shitposting Strategist

I also like to ignore science and math and do things based on feelings.

# ? Oct 15, 2015 17:15

OhsH: Jan 12, 2008

Norns posted:

I also like to ignore science and math and do things based on feelings.

Im glad sim racers are so loving serious aall the time

# ? Oct 15, 2015 17:59

Norns: Nov 21, 2011; Senior Shitposting Strategist

Yes clearly I was being stone faced serious.

Of course it's okay to prefer one thing over the other. But a proper setup improves laptimes.

And why is anyone surprised by spurge posts in a thread where people spend 300 plus dollars on toy pedals.

# ? Oct 15, 2015 18:03

OhsH: Jan 12, 2008

Because nobody can talk about fov without getting absurdly superior about the way they do it, me included

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xzzy: Mar 5, 2009

FOV will become irrelevant in 2016 when we are all giving ourselves nausea with our Rifts. :colbert:

# ? Oct 15, 2015 18:12

Norns: Nov 21, 2011; Senior Shitposting Strategist

xzzy posted:

FOV will become irrelevant in 2016 when we are all giving ourselves nausea with our Rifts.

This is the good answer

# ? Oct 15, 2015 18:13

tater_salad: Sep 15, 2007

i like to click on the button that says RACE then push pedals and steer with my bargain DFGT wheel.
Sometimes I beat the AI, sometimes they beat me.. Sometimes I beat some folks online.. othertimes i"m dead last..

But.. I have lotso fun.

# ? Oct 15, 2015 18:15