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AlternateNu posted:Reminds me of that indy(?) movie that had John Goodman play an FBI agent who responded Waco style to a small town church that tied people up in plastic wrap and shot them in the head when they committed a sin and basically everyone died in the end. The movie you're thinking of it Red State, by the by. 
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BetterToRuleInHell posted:At this point, all you have to do is read what goons say in USPol and then believe the opposite. The USPol groupthink was that: I swear it's like none of you guys were here in 07/08.
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A Winner is Jew posted:From the picture thread. I can believe him saying it, but it's probably fake unless he deleted it.
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The myth that Obama was a scrappy underdog who had to claw his way into the top rather than a major establishment player who was held back initially by racist bullshit will never not be adorable. Obama was an establishment favorite from day one, the only reason it was close is because despite what we like to pretend there were a lot of Democrats going 'eeeeh I dunno...a black guy' but those guys pretty quickly got told to nut up. Clinton's support came from typical Clinton enclaves and not a ton else. Now the core establishment and Clinton supporters are unified behind her.
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Trump will be elected, rip off the mask and reveal that he is Andy Kaufmann, and usher in 1000 years of liberal darkness 
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Oct 16, 2015 00:05
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Obama was an establishment darling but he was supposed to be the VP and be running for president now.
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Hillary Clinton is going to win the Democratic Primary and win the Presidential election. By the time she leaves office the Republican party will be destroyed.
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Hollismason posted:Hillary Clinton is going to win the Democratic Primary and win the Presidential election. This is the most likely outcome.
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All hail the darkness. Cthulhu fhtagn!
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Tatum Girlparts posted:The myth that Obama was a scrappy underdog who had to claw his way into the top rather than a major establishment player who was held back initially by racist bullshit will never not be adorable. Note that this is also an argument that Bernie is a more authentically transformative candidate than Obama, in the sense that he is genuinely an outsider. That also means that he'd have less political capital to draw on as a President though.
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Tatum Girlparts posted:The myth that Obama was a scrappy underdog who had to claw his way into the top rather than a major establishment player who was held back initially by racist bullshit will never not be adorable. It's easy to forget that a lot of people backed Obama in '08 because he had "more crossover/centrist appeal" than Clinton did.
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greatn posted:Obama was an establishment darling but he was supposed to be the VP and be running for president now. I'd love you to walk me through how this happened. Yes you're talking about some of the racist bullshit I mentioned before, there were some players who thought we had to ease the country into a black guy but the leadership and major factions in the party though that was dumb because, spoiler, everyone mad about a black guy would be mad at a black vp and then a black president anyway.
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Hodgepodge posted:Note that this is also an argument that Bernie is a more authentically transformative candidate than Obama, in the sense that he is genuinely an outsider. That also means that he'd have less political capital to draw on as a President though. Oh he is absolutely more of a reformer than Obama, he also is fairly bad at campaigning and politics in general aside from holding rallies so odds are good he's not going to get to DO much reform, but his role since the start has been to shift the dialogue, and he's been doing that fantastic.
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Hollismason posted:Hillary Clinton is going to win the Democratic Primary and win the Presidential election. By the time she leaves office the Republican party will be destroyed. insha'allah
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Tatum Girlparts posted:Oh he is absolutely more of a reformer than Obama, he also is fairly bad at campaigning and politics in general aside from holding rallies so odds are good he's not going to get to DO much reform, but his role since the start has been to shift the dialogue, and he's been doing that fantastic. In a sense, you can compare him to Ron Paul; except with a coherent message instead of an economic pseudo-cult.
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Obama and Bernie have literally nothing in common.
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zoux posted:Obama and Bernie have literally nothing in common. Both are popular in Vermont 
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He's shifting campaign strategy now to do more personal appearances and more intimate meetings with Q&A now that his name is out there so voters can get to know him better personally. Just went on Ellen, started involving his wife more, etc.
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Also it's cool that the candidate who represents young voters drawn to the Democratic Party by the insanity of the Right is the clear #2 candidate and is able to converse with the mainstream without being a huge spoiled baby. I'm totally down for 8 years of Hillary followed by a Sanders protege.
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Hollismason posted:Hillary Clinton is going to win the Democratic Primary and win the Presidential election. By the time she leaves office the Republican party will be destroyed. This is actually all possible. What a strange world.
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greatn posted:started involving his wife more, etc. Probably the best decision of his campaign. I hadn't really been clicking with Sanders during the debate but as soon as I saw his wife I had this instinctive "oh ok well if she puts up with him he can't be all bad" reaction.
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euphronius posted:This is actually all possible. What a strange world. I wouldn't say destroyed. Regional power, maybe, but not destroyed. That'll be a bit longer.
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Hodgepodge posted:Also it's cool that the candidate who represents young voters drawn to the Democratic Party by the insanity of the Right is the clear #2 candidate and is able to converse with the mainstream without being a huge spoiled baby. Does he have any proteges?
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Hodgepodge posted:Also it's cool that the candidate who represents young voters drawn to the Democratic Party by the insanity of the Right is the clear #2 candidate and is able to converse with the mainstream without being a huge spoiled baby. I really hope the Castro's are firmly in the Clinton camp, because 8 years of Hillary and then a Castro would be loving sweet!
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zen death robot posted:Bernie is gonna have problems in the general if he got the nomination because he won't be able to combat the insane SuperPAC/Trump bucks blanketing the airwaves with poo poo. The troll wars between Sandersistas and the Trumpstaffel would be legendary. And we'd all be on board.
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greatn posted:Does he have any proteges? Not really, another problem he has is he famously has next to no friends in congress because he kinda sucks to work with.
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zen death robot posted:Bernie is gonna have problems in the general if he got the nomination because he won't be able to combat the insane SuperPAC/Trump bucks blanketing the airwaves with poo poo. He would have a ton of superpacs too, he just would not coordinate with or endorse any. The Democratic party would be doing that dirty work.
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greatn posted:He would have a ton of superpacs too, he just would not coordinate with or endorse any. The Democratic party would be doing that dirty work. Now in fairness he's already good at using proxies to attack people and then playing innocent grandpa, and I think that's just adorable enough to work.
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Clinton wins twice it's 2024 if we're still around as like a species then I think it'd be the end for Republican party as we know it now probably. Unless there is a huge shift in attitude with the Millenials or whatever they call them where they realize their hosed or something happens.
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I still like Hillary more in the general. That's the real prize anyway: no GOP asshat to nominate more immortal lords of the undead.
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greatn posted:Does he have any proteges? I dunno, but there's no way he won't represent a respectable, although new, faction of the party after the election, unless his supporters are way more fairweather than they seem. He does need to explain the basics of the left-wing consensus building process to his followers, though. Like the whole language of privilege, etc, is the outcome of a lot of often heated discussion between feminists, Marxists, unions, and representatives of minority groups (especially black Americans) that resulted in a way of talking about relative social power. That accomplished, his operation could really push candidates that represent at least a left-of-center faction within the party with its own political infrastructure. Hodgepodge fucked around with this message at 00:31 on Oct 16, 2015 |
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A Winner is Jew posted:I really hope the Castro's are firmly in the Clinton camp, because 8 years of Hillary and then a Castro would be loving sweet! Considering how much he blew up the 2012 Democratic National Convention with his speech (only second to Bill, himself), I wouldn't be surprised if Julian Castro is her VP pick. loving hell, I just realized that we're going to get another Bill appearance at the 2016 National Convention and it is going to be amazing. 
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A Winner is Jew posted:The fact that he doesn't have a ground game is key though since it means he's either (a) not actually serious still (b) totally clueless on how modern elections work (c) actively trying to gently caress the GOP over. He has been building a large and aggressive ground game actually. WaPo had an article on Trump vs Paul in Nevada the other day, about how Trump is already building operations in later stage primaries It is getting very weird. AlternateNu posted:Reminds me of that indy(?) movie that had John Goodman play an FBI agent who responded Waco style to a small town church that tied people up in plastic wrap and shot them in the head when they committed a sin and basically everyone died in the end. Red State. It was a Kevin Smith film iirc and now that you have read that name, you are required to go google pictures of jorts
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Hodgepodge posted:I dunno, but there's no way he won't represent a respectable, although new, faction of the party after the election, unless his supporters are way more fairweather than they seem. He does need to explain the basics of the left-wing consensus building process to his followers, though. Like the whole language of privilege, etc, is the outcome of a lot of often heated discussion between feminists, Marxists, unions, and representatives of minority groups (especially black Americans) that resulted in a way of talking about relative social power. If Hillary wins, it's going to be interesting to see how feminism progresses in the national consciousness. And, more specifically, which traditional progressives have issues with it (conservatives having issues with it is expected and boring).
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computer parts posted:If Hillary wins, it's going to be interesting to see how feminism progresses in the national consciousness. And, more specifically, which traditional progressives have issues with it (conservatives having issues with it is expected and boring). I kinda wonder if it will be more the "Lean In" rich white woman style feminism, or something more shaped by mass social media today.
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computer parts posted:If Hillary wins, it's going to be interesting to see how feminism progresses in the national consciousness. And, more specifically, which traditional progressives have issues with it (conservatives having issues with it is expected and boring). I think that's kind of why Sanders supporters should understand that electing a woman actually is a big deal; this is the Democratic Party and it actually gives a poo poo about things like that. I would not be surprised if, in his heart of hearts, Bernie doesn't want to take a chance as electing a woman as President, for example. Totally projection on my part, but at the same time I do think he has a different definition of "winning" this that is a lot more meaningful in the long term than President Sanders would be.
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Trabisnikof posted:You guys are fools if you think Carson's book tour won't look a lot like campaigning It's much like McCarthy's comment about the Benghazi hearings. Doesn't change anything but it is objective proof that the whole thing is just a farce. Mr. Nice! posted:The slavery for crimes things is a very libertarian concept and plays well with a lot of the tea party crowd. This doesn't make any sense. I thought rich white people were already slaves. To taxes. Fried Chicken posted:I kinda wonder if it will be more the "Lean In" rich white woman style feminism, or something more shaped by mass social media today. Gamergate version 2.0.
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Medical report shows that Jeb's Paleo diet is paying off When the hell did Jeb! describe himself as a "joyful tortoise?"
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radical meme posted:So Conventional Wisdom will go down the tubes this election cycle? I'm still not convinced of that. I still think, maybe even hope, that people in the establishment, on both sides, have control over GOT ground game and local sway over base voters. If they don't and if Trump doesn't take the nomination, then I think it's far more likely that we will be looking at candidate Ted Cruz, not Rubio; because if the establishment doesn't matter then Cruz has just as much money as Rubio and he's a far better public speaker. Plus Cruz has the backing of every Radio Talking Head. Rubio is establishment, just without the horrible stench of failure Jeb! has bathed in for the last few months. He's establishment choice 2 or 3 depending on how you count Walker.
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