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Here's something I don't think we've seen before: A study concludes that we are already committed to levels of sea level rise that will put Miami, New Orleans and others below water.quote:The authors projected business-as-usual carbon emissions, in addition to the complication of the melting West Antarctic ice sheet, a process some experts fear is irreversible.  
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50% of Miami is now slated by 2035. Remember that Rolling Stone article and how it was lambasted as grossly exaggerated? quote:When the water receded after Hurricane Milo of 2030, there was a foot of sand covering the famous bow-tie floor in the lobby of the Fontainebleau hotel in Miami Beach.... vvv--it's been a decade since Katrina, now... Evil_Greven fucked around with this message at 00:33 on Oct 14, 2015 |
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Oct 14, 2015 00:14
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Sucks for NOLA, but Miami could not sink fast enough. All of Florida, in fact. Either that, or... 
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Oct 14, 2015 00:23
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The problem is that the Floridans will move to other parts of the US when their state sinks. So, we either have to do something about climate change or build the wall. e: Evil_Greven posted:50% of Miami is now slated by 2035. That's not quite right. 2035 is the projected year we're locked in to that eventual level of ocean rise (under RCP 8.5). It will still be a long time before it actually happens. Hello Sailor fucked around with this message at 00:53 on Oct 14, 2015 |
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Oct 14, 2015 00:48
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Evil_Greven posted:50% of Miami is now slated by 2035. I remember reading this article and it is one of the things that caused me to start seriously thinking about climate change and get involved with CC advocacy. I try to tell people about how loving serious and real and insane the effects of climate change are going to be but people just don't want to think about it. The thought of an entire city, an entire chunk of a State (south Florida) being rendered basically entirely uninhabitable is just too much for some people to process. It's crazy and disaster-movie sounding and unfortunately it is 100% real. Only wish I weren't going to be dead before it happens so I can say I loving told you so.
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Oct 14, 2015 16:50
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How are u posted:I remember reading this article and it is one of the things that caused me to start seriously thinking about climate change and get involved with CC advocacy. I try to tell people about how loving serious and real and insane the effects of climate change are going to be but people just don't want to think about it. After a reclamation program that would make NL blush, we have polders full of elders. Elder polders.
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Oct 14, 2015 17:10
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How are u posted:I remember reading this article and it is one of the things that caused me to start seriously thinking about climate change and get involved with CC advocacy. I try to tell people about how loving serious and real and insane the effects of climate change are going to be but people just don't want to think about it. Did you know the boot of Louisiana doesn't exist anymore? This isn't because of climate change, but the shape of the state has actually changed because oil & gas developed destroyed the barriers keeping the marshlands from becoming sea.
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Oct 14, 2015 17:12
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Trabisnikof posted:Did you know the boot of Louisiana doesn't exist anymore? This isn't because of climate change, but the shape of the state has actually changed because oil & gas developed destroyed the barriers keeping the marshlands from becoming sea. Relevant link.
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Oct 14, 2015 17:17
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How are u posted:I remember reading this article and it is one of the things that caused me to start seriously thinking about climate change and get involved with CC advocacy. I try to tell people about how loving serious and real and insane the effects of climate change are going to be but people just don't want to think about it. A lot of people absolutely can't be convinced because of "I'll be dead by then why do I care? Drill, baby, drill!" Other people go "meh, whatever they'll just have to move. It isn't like I live there. Won't affect me."
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Oct 14, 2015 18:49
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I'm feeling really good about buying land in Colorado now. Sure, it'll burn, but at least once the fuel is gone, I'll be able to get good line of sight on the rampaging hordes of climate refugees.
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Oct 14, 2015 21:57
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enraged_camel posted:Sucks for NOLA, but Miami could not sink fast enough. Anyway, I'm very interested that the authors consider the city of Miami (basically the downtown CBD and Little Havana) and other "inland" parts of metro Miami like Hialeah, but no mention of Miami Beach which is already flooding at high tide. In fact, here's a news report from this past weekend: http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/miami-dade/miami-beach/article38329890.html Miami Beach might not have a high enough population to justify inclusion, but if I had to guess it's going to be gone even before the city of Miami.
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Oct 15, 2015 00:28
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Hello Sailor posted:That's not quite right. 2035 is the projected year we're locked in to that eventual level of ocean rise (under RCP 8.5). It will still be a long time before it actually happens. quote:He recalled a meeting he attended when he was still on the levee board. It was considering a proposal to install markers around New Orleans showing how high the floodwaters rose during Katrina. Some of the markers would go on levees.  black is 'walkable' land; red 'land' is not
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Oct 15, 2015 01:56
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quote:He was worried you were going to scare people I don't get this attitude. I really, really don't. The human race, as a whole, should feel nothing but pants-making GBS threads terror when it comes to global warming. It's going to gently caress our poo poo and our poo poo will be hosed hard if we just keep up "business as usual." but but but...but...NEXT QUARTER'S PROFITS!!!!!!!
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Oct 15, 2015 02:02
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ToxicSlurpee posted:I don't get this attitude. I really, really don't. The human race, as a whole, should feel nothing but pants-making GBS threads terror when it comes to global warming. It's going to gently caress our poo poo and our poo poo will be hosed hard if we just keep up "business as usual." I know you know this, but there is literally nothing stopping "business as usual" and the sooner we accept this, the better. Paris discussions be damned. E: I have very little faith in the human race to figure this out. Maybe that makes me a cynic, but I just think it means I'm a realist.
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Oct 15, 2015 06:21
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When should I expect the Northern Icecaps to melt over completely for the very first time in summer, causing all of it to evaporate into boreal monsoons, allow hurricanes in winter, dry up the tropics to the point of unsuitability and toxify the seas and air with massive amounts of hydrogen sulfide? 
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Oct 15, 2015 07:47
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Your Sledgehammer posted:I know you know this, but there is literally nothing stopping "business as usual" and the sooner we accept this, the better. Paris discussions be damned. The realist in me says that the human race can probably figure something out and pull through it. We can pull it off. The issue is that it will involve a poo poo load of blood, death, and misery if we do. The wealthy and powerful like business as usual because the world going to poo poo won't hurt them that much. The rest of us, though, are going to have serious issues. To be honest I expect more violent revolution to be happening over the next several decades. If memory serves a lot of the violence and rebellion in the Middle East had food insecurity as a major component. Look at America, too; so many people are struggling to afford enough food that it's contributing to social unrest. As this rock heats up food is going to get more scarce and those issues are going to get worse. Meanwhile the wealthy and powerful are going to go "lol gently caress you, pleb" and just keep drilling. I expect at least a billion deaths, probably more, in short order and would guess the human race would be down under 4 or 5 billion within a century. The cynic in me says we'll just keep the status quo and pollute ourselves into extinction. The rest of me wants to drink heavily and hope cirrhosis kills me before violence or starvation do. Of course my idealist/sciency side says that a significant number of humans are going to look around and go "lol gently caress this place" and bugger off into somewhere in space. Lord knows I'd be in that crowd if I had the chance.
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Oct 15, 2015 19:49
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ToxicSlurpee posted:The realist in me says that the human race can probably figure something out and pull through it. We can pull it off. The issue is that it will involve a poo poo load of blood, death, and misery if we do. The wealthy and powerful like business as usual because the world going to poo poo won't hurt them that much. The rest of us, though, are going to have serious issues. To be honest I expect more violent revolution to be happening over the next several decades. If memory serves a lot of the violence and rebellion in the Middle East had food insecurity as a major component. Look at America, too; so many people are struggling to afford enough food that it's contributing to social unrest. See what's happening in Syria? Massive, ongoing drought brought on by climate change destroyed the farming livelihoods of hundreds of thousands of rural Syrians, sending them streaming into the cities looking for relief, causing overcrowding, unemployment, straining weak social services to the breaking point, and leaving tens of thousands of men unable to provide basic food and shelter for their families. Climate change alone is not what caused the hell that is Syria today, but it played a large roll in setting the scene just right for it to happen. Things are only going to get worse. Much, much worse. This is going to happen on a global scale.
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Oct 15, 2015 19:55
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Anyone reading this thread should have children because if you care about issues like these so will your children. Tipping the balance towards more clueless assholes that never leave a city and therefore don't notice or believe climate change isn't useful.
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Oct 15, 2015 22:50
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cowofwar posted:Anyone reading this thread should have children because if you care about issues like these so will your children. Tipping the balance towards more clueless assholes that never leave a city and therefore don't notice or believe climate change isn't useful. We've been through this before. Even the people who read and contribute to this thread who *care* about pollution and climate change will never be able to undo the damage that they've done to the planet, and adding more people to the planet, even if they *care* too, will only deepen the hole. Rich people (i.e. anyone who can access somethingawful, among others) are the people who, if they care about the environment, should not be having children.
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Oct 15, 2015 23:22
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You should be actively removing 'rich' children to be truly moral.
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Oct 15, 2015 23:32
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This feels like genocide advocacy.
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Oct 16, 2015 00:07
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kill you're self - something awful goons
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Oct 16, 2015 00:09
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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blowfish posted:kill you're self The audience for this advice is limited to goons, so
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Oct 16, 2015 00:43
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ToxicSlurpee posted:Of course my idealist/sciency side says that a significant number of humans are going to look around and go "lol gently caress this place" and bugger off into somewhere in space. Lord knows I'd be in that crowd if I had the chance. Haha, you think the mega-rich people like Elon Musk are going to let you on their space craft? You might win a lottery ticket that guarantees you a spot as a serf, at best.
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Oct 16, 2015 00:46
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Humans are going to die on earth, but maybe our robot children will make it to space
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Oct 16, 2015 00:47
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Meanwhile, Business as Usual is changing... http://newsroom.toyota.co.jp/en/detail/9889509 quote:1. New Vehicles Zero CO2 Emissions Challenge
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Oct 16, 2015 00:48
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In other news it's hot out there!
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Oct 16, 2015 04:17
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quote:Reducing global average new-vehicle CO2 emissions by 90 percent by 2050 (compared to Toyota's 2010 global average) Is that number with or without a defeat-device?
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Oct 16, 2015 05:41
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enraged_camel posted:Is that number with or without a defeat-device? Its mostly based on them pushing hybrids and hydrogen vehicles, you only really need defeat-devices for diesels. There's a reason I posted about Toyota's new declaration, VW's just doesn't seem as weighty.
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Oct 16, 2015 05:46
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When should I expect the Arctic Ice cap to completely melt for the first time?
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Oct 16, 2015 08:09
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Grouchio posted:When should I expect the Arctic Ice cap to completely melt for the first time? Summer of 2013
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Oct 16, 2015 09:28
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Diesel still has a slim chance if they can actually be bothered to get the emissions controls working properly, but the long term is the Internal Combustion Engine has to change or die.
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Oct 16, 2015 15:01
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The Ridiculously Resilient Ridge seems to have been replaced by the Truly Tenacious Trough, so this winter might not be troubled by polar vortexes.
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Oct 16, 2015 20:39
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Just finishing up "This changes everything" by Naomi Klein, and can strongly recommend it to all- though I must warn people that while I was looking for something more upbeat/solutions based, and the book certainly has elements of that, the message is still largely "are we hosed? yeah, probably".CommieGIR posted:Diesel still has a slim chance if they can actually be bothered to get the emissions controls working properly, but the long term is the Internal Combustion Engine has to change or die. The sound, smell and general "feel" of car engines is going to be something I really miss when it's gone, even though all the evidence can tell me its helping to kill the environment 
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Oct 17, 2015 14:20
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DesperateDan posted:The sound, smell and general "feel" of car engines is going to be something I really miss when it's gone, even though all the evidence can tell me its helping to kill the environment A smart company will make sure to find a way to include those elements to some extent in skeuomorphic design considerations until they can be phased out gracefully.
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Oct 18, 2015 02:04
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SlimGoodbody posted:A smart company will make sure to find a way to include those elements to some extent in skeuomorphic design considerations until they can be phased out gracefully. Electric cars already include artificial noise because they were inadvertently sneaking up on people.
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Oct 18, 2015 02:23
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computer parts posted:Electric cars already include artificial noise because they were inadvertently sneaking up on people. I hadn't even thought of that. Are there electric motorcycles? I hope they make noise, cause otherwise they'd be even more of a deathtrap.
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Oct 18, 2015 03:22
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computer parts posted:Electric cars already include artificial noise because they were inadvertently sneaking up on people. And BMW uses the car speakers to make fake engine noises.
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SlimGoodbody posted:I hadn't even thought of that. Are there electric motorcycles? I hope they make noise, cause otherwise they'd be even more of a deathtrap. Overall I suspect, too tired to research, that the rate of electric motorcycle on pedestrian accidents is closer to that of bikes than that of cars or heavy vehicles. I suspect that being silent is a huge advantage for the rider, and just reinforces the need for such devices on electric cars. At least until we get automatic anti-crash breaking.
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Hi I'm just now learning about this, are we as a people prepared for the changes?
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