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Medical report shows that Jeb's Paleo diet is paying off When the hell did Jeb! describe himself as a "joyful tortoise?"
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radical meme posted:So Conventional Wisdom will go down the tubes this election cycle? I'm still not convinced of that. I still think, maybe even hope, that people in the establishment, on both sides, have control over GOT ground game and local sway over base voters. If they don't and if Trump doesn't take the nomination, then I think it's far more likely that we will be looking at candidate Ted Cruz, not Rubio; because if the establishment doesn't matter then Cruz has just as much money as Rubio and he's a far better public speaker. Plus Cruz has the backing of every Radio Talking Head. Rubio is establishment, just without the horrible stench of failure Jeb! has bathed in for the last few months. He's establishment choice 2 or 3 depending on how you count Walker.
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Clinton also has a much more diverse circle of advisors and makes a deal out of pointing out she lives a privileged life. I don't blame Sanders for his advisors too much, its hard to find diversity in Vermont.
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Oct 16, 2015 00:40
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evilweasel posted:Rubio is establishment, just without the horrible stench of failure Jeb! has bathed in for the last few months. He's establishment choice 2 or 3 depending on how you count Walker. Rubio's a teabagger though.
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Oct 16, 2015 00:53
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Mr Interweb posted:Rubio's a teabagger though. As we've discussed from the speaker fiasco there really isn't any difference anymore. Not to mention that Rubio is "one of the good ones" (like Walker) to the party elites which in this case is all that matters, especially since Bush has thoroughly poo poo the bed. Real talk, before all of this started Rubio was pretty much the only republican candidate I thought had a shot against Hillary in the general, even with the waterboy poo poo from his past.
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Somebody involved in this Benghazi issue was caught lying, and it's not who you think!quote:Wayne Shelby Simmons, 62, of Annapolis, Maryland, a former occasional on-air commentator who appeared on a cable news network, was arrested today after being indicted by a federal grand jury on charges of major fraud against the United States, wire fraud, and making false statements to the government.
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Absurd Alhazred posted:Somebody involved in this Benghazi issue was caught lying, and it's not who you think! Is that PMC stolen valor? Holy poo poo, this is awesome.
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So what was he? Just some dude? A grunt with delusions of grandeur?
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Absurd Alhazred posted:Somebody involved in this Benghazi issue was caught lying, and it's not who you think! Maaaan I'd really like to see this catch traction in the media at large.
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A Winner is Jew posted:The fact that he doesn't have a ground game is key though since it means he's either (a) not actually serious still (b) totally clueless on how modern elections work (c) actively trying to gently caress the GOP over. Fried Chicken posted:He has been building a large and aggressive ground game actually. WaPo had an article on Trump vs Paul in Nevada the other day, about how Trump is already building operations in later stage primaries Yeah not sure where people are getting the idea that Trump doesn't have a ground game because he def does http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/trumps-ground-game-iowa-soaring-aides-say-n445336 quote:The [Trump] campaign has 12 paid staffers, the most of any Republican operation in [Iowa], comprised of an assortment of characters with varying pasts.
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A Winner is Jew posted:I really hope the Castro's are firmly in the Clinton camp, because 8 years of Hillary and then a Castro would be loving sweet! Speaking of which... quote:"I am really going to look hard at him for anything, because that is how good he is," Clinton said in Texas when asked by Javier Palomarez, president and CEO of the United States Hispanic Chamber of Commerce, if Castro would make a good vice president.
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Oct 16, 2015 02:13
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Tatum Girlparts posted:The myth that Obama was a scrappy underdog who had to claw his way into the top rather than a major establishment player who was held back initially by racist bullshit will never not be adorable. Those Clinton enclaves must've been pretty big to push around the core establishment 
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Shakenbaker posted:Maaaan I'd really like to see this catch traction in the media at large. Not that this is any indication that it will but it's been at the top of my facebook trending thing since it broke.
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Oct 16, 2015 02:26
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Those could be meaningless words, but man would Julain Castro as VP be great
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On Terra Firma posted:Not that this is any indication that it will but it's been at the top of my facebook trending thing since it broke. The GOP isn't going to let something like someone they called to testify lying under oath distract the public from who the real criminals are.
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Hollismason posted:Yea we currently basically have slavery now in our prison system. It's not slavery, we pay prisoners. .67/hour
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Oct 16, 2015 02:53
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A lot of other posters are right. Bernie Sanders, ultimately, does not care about having the Democratic nomination.. Bernie Sanders wants the American people to become directly engaged with their leaders. He wants to see a populist revolution. Winning the presidency is just a more high profile way to make sure this happens. He has been consistent from day one that what he wants is for people to become engaged with politics, and hold their leaders accountable. We need to keep the pressure up not just in the national election, but in the local election. We need more Bernie Sanders types in the Senate, in Congress, as Governors and as Mayors. The presidency is the ultimate prize, but not the most important.
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Oct 16, 2015 03:07
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Ferdinand the Bull posted:A lot of other posters are right. Bernie Sanders, ultimately, does not care about having the Democratic nomination.. gently caress that loser talk. He's gonna win.
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Rollofthedice posted:Those could be meaningless words, but man would Julain Castro as VP be great  Really though, I don't think that's meaningless because Castro as VP probably puts Texas in play as soon as 2020 which is loving huge and would be a massive curb stomp of republicans, something Clinton would be down with purely out of spite at this point.
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A Winner is Jew posted:
While Castro would def help with the sentiment in Texas, there would need to be a massive dem ground game, state wide, to get the votes. And as I understand it the Texas dems are among the worst organized of the state parties. Maybe if DWS were gone and someone who believed in the possibility was in charge we could get something. E: a blue texas, or even a contested one, is still the most definite death knell for the current GOP. It'd be something to see.
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The phrase "populist revolution" is meaninglessly vague. All you need to be populist is to have a decent chunk of the public support you, Tea Party leaders are equally as populist as anyone else.
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Oct 16, 2015 03:39
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A Man With A Plan posted:While Castro would def help with the sentiment in Texas, there would need to be a massive dem ground game, state wide, to get the votes. And as I understand it the Texas dems are among the worst organized of the state parties. Maybe if DWS were gone and someone who believed in the possibility was in charge we could get something. I've yet to see someone run the numbers on: % Anglo turn out % Hispanic turn out % Anglo D share % Hispanic D share % Hispanic population % Hispanic voter registration % Anglo voter registration and ever come out with an answer where Democrats can win state-wide races in Texas before 2025-2030.
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Ferdinand the Bull posted:A lot of other posters are right. Bernie Sanders, ultimately, does not care about having the Democratic nomination.. He may know that but I'm not sure his supporters know that. I've had some issues with his supporters in the past but all in all, I get the feeling that many of them will just stop if he doesn't win.
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Trabisnikof posted:I've yet to see someone run the numbers on: It's simple, gas or expel a buncha Republicans in strategic areas, preferably by felling them with their own beloved minimally regulated industry.
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Fojar38 posted:Uh, what party do you think Bernie is running as? The issue is Bernie is an outsider to the democratic party and is running as a democrat. He may have caucused with Democrats but he is not a democrat. You are not going to get a lot of establishment support no matter how popular you as an outsider. The hilarious exception is Trump and the Republican party. The party has been so dysfunctional, the base needs a straight talker and outsider to talk sense to them. Sanders fills this gap on the opposite side but the Democratic base doesnt feel as disfranchised.
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Trabisnikof posted:I've yet to see someone run the numbers on: I don't have those numbers, but Castro on the ballot would absolutely be a huge catalyst for a GOTV movement in the mostly non voting Hispanic population that's in the state, and him pushing up that timetable about 5 years isn't that unreasonable.
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A Winner is Jew posted:I don't have those numbers, but Castro on the ballot would absolutely be a huge catalyst for a GOTV movement in the mostly non voting Hispanic population that's in the state, and him pushing up that timetable about 5 years isn't that unreasonable. They thought the same thing about Wendy Davis. I guess she did effectively GOTV, just for the Republicans.
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zoux posted:They thought the same thing about Wendy Davis. As much as I like her, she's a white lady who's defining moment is about abortion, something majority-Catholic Hispanics are not too hot about. If Castro avoids or downplays issues like that he could absolutely be a stronger force. Though whipping Texas dems into shape wouldn't hurt either.
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I really want to see Julian Castro as Vice president for 8 years and then President in 2024.
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Hollismason posted:I really want to see Julian Castro as Vice president for 8 years and then President in 2024. The ideal use of the clinton machine really
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Rollofthedice posted:As much as I like her, she's a white lady who's defining moment is about abortion, something majority-Catholic Hispanics are not too hot about. If Castro avoids or downplays issues like that he could absolutely be a stronger force. Go look up polling among Hispanic women about abortion.
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I think going from head of HUD to VP would be really good because he may not be as beholden to Superpacs. Dunno though. I think this is a pretty reliable study http://archive.neworganizing.com/media/attachments/Report_New-Organizing-Institute_Hispanics-Future-Progressive-Strength-in-America.pdf zoux posted:Go look up polling among Hispanic women about abortion. http://latinainstitute.org/sites/default/files/LatinoAbortionAttitudesPolling.pdf Do you mean this one?
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zoux posted:They thought the same thing about Wendy Davis. I guess she did effectively GOTV, just for the Republicans. Both her and Alison Lundergan Grimes basically ran as centrist republicans and pretty much hosed their chances by doing so. Hollismason posted:I really want to see Julian Castro as Vice president for 8 years and then President in 2024. Yeah. 8 years of the first black president followed by 8 years of the first woman president followed by 4-8 years of the first Hispanic president. How the gently caress is that not the best thing ever?
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It'd be nice if we could get a gay or lesbian into the VP spot for the Julian Castro Presidency. Then it'd be First African American president, First Woman President, First Native Spanish Speaker President, First Gay President.
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Rollofthedice posted:As much as I like her, she's a white lady who's defining moment is about abortion, something majority-Catholic Hispanics are not too hot about. If Castro avoids or downplays issues like that he could absolutely be a stronger force. The "dream team" didn't do much better. A Winner is Jew posted:Both her and Alison Lundergan Grimes basically ran as centrist republicans and pretty much hosed their chances by doing so. I don't think Davis running as a progressive would have helped her win either.
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A Winner is Jew posted:Alison Lundergan Grimes Great, now it's in my head again.
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A Winner is Jew posted:Yeah. 8 years of the first black president followed by 8 years of the first woman president followed by 4-8 years of the first Hispanic president. How the gently caress is that not the best thing ever? If the woman is Fiorina and the Hispanic is Rubio.
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zoux posted:Go look up polling among Hispanic women about abortion. "Pew Hispanic 2012 posted:Support for abortion rights also vary by age, but not by gender. Younger Latinos are more likely than older Latinos to say abortion should be legal. A majority (53%) of Latinos ages 18 to 29 support abortion rights. By contrast, majorities of Latinos ages 30 to 49 (51%), ages 50 to 64 (58%) and ages 65 and older (63%) say abortion should be illegal in “all cases” or “most cases.” Meanwhile, half (50%) of Hispanic men and half (52%) of Hispanic women say abortion should mainly be illegal. " Pew, 2014 posted:Looking at all Americans, regardless of their voter registration status, whites (54%) are more likely than blacks (47%) and Hispanics (44%) to think abortion should be legal. Among all Hispanics, 51% think abortion should be illegal in all or most cases, including 20% who think abortion should never be allowed. You can't rely on female votes to win an election anyway. Abortion as an issue is a very hot-button topic among Hispanics (never mind the US as a whole), and staking out a strong position on such a polarizing issue is not very good politics if you want to win the most votes. edit: oops, hosed up a few urls Chelb fucked around with this message at 05:33 on Oct 16, 2015 |
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