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Good-Natured Filth
Jun 8, 2008

Do you think I've got the goods Bubblegum? Cuz I am INTO this stuff!

41+1 today, and my wife is getting very anxious. I'm not sure what I can say to reassure her other than everything I've already been saying (it'll be fine; her mom was two weeks late with her; plenty of people go past their due date; etc.).

We had an ultrasound today to check fluid levels and weight, and doc said everything looks fine. According to the ultrasound tech, our baby is huge (9 lbs 4 oz), but I'm very dubious of the accuracy of that calculation because my wife is fairly small and does not look like she's carrying a 9 lb baby.

I really think they should give a birth range rather than a due date to prevent this kind of anxiety.

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silvergoose
Mar 18, 2006

IT IS SAID THE TEARS OF THE BWEENIX CAN HEAL ALL WOUNDS




Exactly same thing happened to us, we started calling it a birth estimate because gently caress due dates, implies that after that date you're LATE something is WRONG.

eselbaum
Jul 4, 2009

*boop*

nyerf posted:

My husband was seconding nameberry as a resource, but I've been toying with the idea of at least partly borrowing from a famous name from history, either in literary circles or the sciences, or maybe political (eg human rights/equality/peace achievements).

It's so hard, I want the kid to grow up thinking we put more thought into this than just picking something we liked the sound of. Something that has an interesting story, and a deep hope for the future, and to show some of what we value. I guess I'm not likely to get that without random extensive wiki searches lol. Oh well, we've still got 25 weeks. There's a whiteboard set up in our living room with the current collection of name ideas, hopefully that'll help.

You reminded me of when we were trying to pick a name for our daughter. We ended up going with a family name, but before we had settled on that, the Ken Burns Roosevelts docu series had just started on PBS. Some of those early 20th century names had a nice ring to them, I thought. And historical significance!
Here's a link to their family tree. For some reason I thought a little boy named Kermit was sorta cute. :3:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/features/image/eleanor/

zonohedron
Aug 14, 2006


The Pregnancy Due Date Range calendar might be reassuring? I liked it when I was pregnant, at any rate, even though both my kids were born early rather than late. (And before you wonder, I put in a date so that it'd show 41 w 1 d - it's not psychic.)

dopaMEAN
Dec 4, 2004
I got through my poster without throwing up on anyone!

So far I just get queasy sometimes, but snacks make it go away mostly. This 7th week isn't so bad after all!

nyerf
Feb 12, 2010

An elephant never forgets...TO KILL!
Huzzah! Sounds like me. To date I have only thrown up once, and that was actually in week 15 and only because I was stupid and took my prenatals on a mostly empty stomach. I'm not a barf-y person at all generally, would take severe illness if I weren't pregnant to make me be sick. My coworker who's about 4 weeks behind me in dates gives me a dirty look whenever someone asks me in the work area all bullshit-caring "Oh, so how are you DO-ING?! Have you been sick yet?!" waiting to hear me whinge and moan about how horrible it is, only to be met with 'Actually I feel pretty great'. The schadenfreude-lust around here is huge, seriously. It's irritating enough that I'd probably still put on a huge poo poo-eating grin and say 'I'm feeling great!' even if I was puking 10x a day just to not give them the satisfaction. It's not like I'm bragging--I get asked, unsolicited, every second day :rolleyes:

Cosleepers--does anyone have recommendations for good brands? We're in Australia so might be hit or miss with availability of really specialized-to-Western-hemisphere stuff but I'm going to take a punt on it anyway. Ideally one basically the size of a toddler crib, so it won't outgrow it in like 3 months :( I'm paranoid we're going to end up with a buttload of useless things because baby will double in size in the first six weeks or something (I know it won't short of a severe disorder, but my husband's genetics give me pause).

Big Bug Hug
Nov 19, 2002
I'm with stupid*
The best and biggest one sold in Australia (the aren't many to choose from) is the Arms Reach co-sleeper. They are about 300 bucks, which seems a bit ridiculous. I really wanted one but went with the $150 boori bassinet instead.

Funhilde
Jun 1, 2011

Cats Love Me.
We used the arm's Reach but got the mini and I wish we had gotten the standard size.

nyerf
Feb 12, 2010

An elephant never forgets...TO KILL!
Okay, had a look at the Arm's Reach--I'm paranoid it won't be big enough beyond the first year or so. Husband's game to convert a cot that's toddler-bed sized to be 3 sides and bolted to the side of our bed so we might do that instead. I'll make sure to get in it and shake it around to make sure it's secure and plug gaps with lots of high density foam. We can get some cut to fit (maybe even a custom-cut cot mattress perhaps, there's a place around here that does such things)

Personally I'd be happy with laying a single ultra firm mattress next to our 'bed'(currently bed-frame-less and a queen mattress on the floor) and being done with it--it's how I grew up in glorious Asialand after all, but he nearly had an anxiety attack at the prospect. He's convinced that loose mattresses will slide around and baby will somehow get smushed between them or between the mattress and the wall and god knows what else other unlikely horror scenario. I would've had them backed up snug against the corner walls, but I guess there's always the risk if nothing's actually holding them there.

sheri
Dec 30, 2002

The arms reach won't even last you a year. Mine lasted 3.5 months when my son started rolling and getting stuck on the sides because he didn't have enough space to roll. It's only meant for 5-6 months or so and says to stop using it as soon as they start sitting or getting up on their hands and knees.

silvergoose
Mar 18, 2006

IT IS SAID THE TEARS OF THE BWEENIX CAN HEAL ALL WOUNDS




Yeah if your goal is a year, you're gonna have to do it yourself. For some reason, cosleeping is just not considered at all, anywhere. Or just put your mattress on the floor, of course, like many people do.

GoreJess
Aug 4, 2004

pretty in pink
We used the Arm's Reach mini until about 6 months or so, when I woke up to my alarm clock making strange noises. Our son was standing up, reaching over the side of the cosleeper & mashing all the buttons he could.

I bought ours off Craigslist for like $50, I don't think I would have paid full retail for something that only lasts such a short while.

Sidecarring a crib is a good option for long term use.

cailleask
May 6, 2007





There's really no harm in sidecaring another mattress if you're already a mattress on a floor (if I read that right). It's basically the same thing. The co-sleepers I looked at are all 3-6" lower than my mattresses height, which I guess is by design? I found it obnoxious because I wanted my baby on the same surface as me for easy nursing at night.

We ended up bedsharing, which is pretty safe if you clear the bed and meet all the criteria (breastfeeding, no alcohol or drugs that make you sleepy, etc). Especially after the sids risk goes down around 6mo, babies are pretty hardy and will move or punch you or kick you if you bother them in your sleep.

cailleask
May 6, 2007





Also, my daughter is almost 18 months now and the highlight of my morning is sleepy baby cuddles and uh watching her sleep like the huge creeper I apparently am.

sheri
Dec 30, 2002

cailleask posted:

babies are pretty hardy and will move or punch you or kick you in your sleep.

Fixed this for you ;)

Big Bug Hug
Nov 19, 2002
I'm with stupid*
If you/your husband are worried about baby rolling, you could always utilize a sleep positioner or something like that for the first few months.

notwithoutmyanus
Mar 17, 2009

silvergoose posted:

Yeah if your goal is a year, you're gonna have to do it yourself. For some reason, cosleeping is just not considered at all, anywhere. Or just put your mattress on the floor, of course, like many people do.

We bought that ikea natural foam mattress and put it on the floor. Our child never ever took to the cosleeping crib. I recognize it's our situation specifically, but mattress on the floor can be a surprisingly large amount of sanity improvement. As in: the bed doesn't shake and thus nobody wakes up if someone rolls around (baby or parents) or gets up out of the bed. We were cosleeping in a bed with a box spring for the first 2-3 months but after that the ikea mattress has definitely proved it's worth.

silvergoose
Mar 18, 2006

IT IS SAID THE TEARS OF THE BWEENIX CAN HEAL ALL WOUNDS




They always say to be super careful and all, but this seems kinda relevant.

https://www.aap.org/en-us/about-the-aap/aap-press-room/Pages/AAP-Says-No-Amount-of-Alcohol-Should-be-Considered-Safe-During-Pregnancy.aspx

dopaMEAN
Dec 4, 2004
Woke up in awful pain this morning, thought I had a kidney stone or something. Went to the doc and it's just garden-variety back pain! I really wish I could take ibuprofen.

On the bright side, the back pain meant that my husband and I got an early sonogram. The baby is exactly the right size for 7 weeks and 2 days and it's teensy heart was beating at 149bpm! I'm so excited!!!

Hi_Bears
Mar 6, 2012

dopaMEAN posted:

Woke up in awful pain this morning, thought I had a kidney stone or something. Went to the doc and it's just garden-variety back pain! I really wish I could take ibuprofen.

On the bright side, the back pain meant that my husband and I got an early sonogram. The baby is exactly the right size for 7 weeks and 2 days and it's teensy heart was beating at 149bpm! I'm so excited!!!

Can you take acetaminophen (Tylenol)? My doctor said that was ok. I tried to avoid taking any meds but resorted to Tylenol a few times for headaches.

notwithoutmyanus
Mar 17, 2009

AAP recommended plenty of things that range between "I don't agree personally" (do all vaccines) to misinformation (home birth is not recommended).

It also strongly contradicts many European studies.

sheri
Dec 30, 2002

Are you saying you disagree with vaccinating? Come on.

Rurutia
Jun 11, 2009
The general consensus in prenatal epidemiology is that the alcohol can cause mutations with huge impact so it's best to abstain entirely, especially in the beginning stages. I did not realize this was a controversial or new opinion?

El_Elegante
Jul 3, 2004

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Biscuit Hider

notwithoutmyanus posted:

AAP recommended plenty of things that range between "I don't agree personally" (do all vaccines) to misinformation (home birth is not recommended).

It also strongly contradicts many European studies.

jesus christ

BonoMan
Feb 20, 2002

Jade Ear Joe

Rurutia posted:

The general consensus in prenatal epidemiology is that the alcohol can cause mutations with huge impact so it's best to abstain entirely, especially in the beginning stages. I did not realize this was a controversial or new opinion?

It's not controversial or new... it's just finally getting an "official" statement.

notwithoutmyanus
Mar 17, 2009

sheri posted:

Are you saying you disagree with vaccinating? Come on.

No. I'm saying simply saying to do all vaccines without question is different than "understand the vaccines you're giving your kids and make educated decisions".

The rotavirus vaccine for example is not as significant if your kid isn't going to daycare. Or things like spreading out vaccine shots may be a preference. Not "don't vaccinate", I don't think people simply shouldn't vaccinate - just know what you're doing.

notwithoutmyanus fucked around with this message at 17:22 on Oct 22, 2015

El_Elegante
Jul 3, 2004

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Biscuit Hider
Spreading out vaccine shots is dumb and wrong because there is an overwhelming amount of data showing no complications from the current schedule. Adverse reactions to vaccines are uncommon and there is no data supporting the idea that timing vaccines differently would decrease the adverse reaction rate.

The only thing that happens when you delay vaccination is that you increase the risk of exposure to a vaccine preventable pathogen before your child is immunized.

sheri
Dec 30, 2002

The people who have spent their lives and careers getting educated on and studying and researching the vaccines and what is recommended or not and when have a way better grasp on what needs to be done and when then you or I do.

Unless you are an infectious disease specialist and/or immunology expert?

Edit: directed at notwithoutmyanus

sheri
Dec 30, 2002

I love that "get educated" or "do your research" always means read the mommy blogs and infowars pages, not to actually look at the research and conclusions of scientists and public health experts that have spent decades upon decades doing the drat research.

notwithoutmyanus
Mar 17, 2009
Well yeah, I agree. I'm not a specialist - medicine is not my field, and I still rely on my ped - but I'd rather know *something* about them and learn from people in thread as well. Sorry to threadshit by not knowing enough myself.

^^ I hate that poo poo, mommy blogs and infowars are trash. I've at least been relying on books by Dr. Sears, or is he not credible anymore?

sheri
Dec 30, 2002

Dr Sears has gone off the crazy end, especially with regard to vaccines. I used to like him but he's gotten more and more insane over the past few years to the point where he's encouraging doctors in CA to give fake med exemptions for vaccines for kids who's parents just don't want to vaccinate (they don't have an actual medical reason). He's a terrible person and I hope he loses his medical license.

sheri fucked around with this message at 17:41 on Oct 22, 2015

El_Elegante
Jul 3, 2004

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Biscuit Hider
His recommendations are not supported by peer reviewed studies. He has never undertaken any effort to prove that his recommendations are not inferior to the current guidelines, let alone actually superior to them.

His books are worrisome because they suggest a problem with vaccines where none exist.

sheri
Dec 30, 2002

^^^ exactly this. He's either a nutbag or playing off people's fears to make a ton of money. Either way, not a good person or a person I'd take advice from.

notwithoutmyanus
Mar 17, 2009
Lovely. So, given all that - what authors can I suggest my wife and I read books from, which are peer accepted and/or obviously not so much fearmongering? At least for vaccination related stuff and/or pregnancy related? I think someone mentioned mayoclinic before.

notwithoutmyanus fucked around with this message at 18:35 on Oct 22, 2015

Struensee
Nov 9, 2011
How about just following the vaccination schedule?

sheri
Dec 30, 2002

Yeah, for vaccine stuff the best info is going to be the rec of the AAP. They have all the info. You may run into a quack doc or two but for medical issues the rec of the AAP is the overall guidelines that have been thoroughly researched and approved.

Mayo clinics pregnancy book is good.

Dori
Jan 14, 2005
Abducted by sheep
I think the best option for good information is always from your actual (medical) specialist. If in doubt find an additional specialist in your area and get a second point of view (which 9.9 times out of 10 will be the exact same point of view!). This applies for vaccinations, the random pain you've had for ever that won't go away and pretty much anything else that you might instead "research".

These are people who have studied the specific area you want advice on for years and have a good overview (and most likely a ton of practical experience) and for extra bonus points they will combine that knowledge (which you can't possibly get from a few books) with knowing about your specific circumstances to give the best advice.
If you are uncertain about the information they give you, or feel you need extra material to digest and understand it, then ask your professional for recommended reading. But most of the time, even if you don't know all the details, you can actually just assume that as the expert in the field their advice is sound and follow it.

Not convinced? Here's a good summary of why no longer trusting the advice which experts give is dumb, a waste of your time and potentially dangerous (such as when your kid dies of preventable disease): http://thefederalist.com/2014/01/17/the-death-of-expertise/.

kells
Mar 19, 2009
I don't understand. Do you do your own research on the internet whenever you get sick as well? Do you use essential oils instead of prescription medication? Do you think adding fluoride to water is a conspiracy and will kill us all?

If not, why are vaccinations the issue you decide to "do your research" on? Serious question - what is it about vaccinations that turn them into something where we think we can know better than the scientists who study them?

sheri
Dec 30, 2002

I just saw an article about how a lady is drinking her own piss instead of doing chemo to treat her cancer. Folks be crazy theses days.

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Harton
Jun 13, 2001

Yeah how far up your own rear end do you have to be to not listen to the generations of people who have spent their entire lives researching these issues? My wife is newly pregnant and I naturally assume I don't know anything at all. I blame social media for giving every person, regardless of their knowledge, a platform to spew their ridiculous opinions.

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