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Khisanth Magus posted:I've never really understood the point of "force politician to the left/right", because all you are accomplishing is getting them to say certain things during their campaign, it doesn't actually change anything they believe or care about, Studies show that arguing in favor of a position you don't agree with increases your support for that position even if you're just doing it as an exercise.
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:Today, on twitter: Weigel has his phone number in his profile though, so less "forgets how to Twitter", more "follows standard MO" Never Tweet Clinton today stated she liked Australia's gun buyback program, and said it would be worth considering at the national level here Needless to say, the current freak out is she wants to institute completely different Australian gun laws because what the hell, the base still doesn't get enough red meat so toss them some more
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Fantastic_Mr_Fox posted:lol as soon as Bernie has an ambassador killed to cover up an affair, you can talk. So I'd just like to pop into this thread for a moment to give everyone a reminder that not all Bernie supporters are crazy. It's just a that few factors (his unusual-for-America political views, his opponent being a woman, his opponent having been a target of conspiracy theories for decades, ...) mean that he draws crazies out of the woodwork. It's pretty frustrating to me as a (hopefully) pretty reasonable Bernie supporter. Also the only people who post in the RSF at this point are probably either legit mentally ill or masochists. So please don't judge all Bernie supporters based on them.
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BUBBA GAY DUDLEY posted:Vilerat scammed Hillary out of money in Eve Online and that's why she did Benghazi. This would be a more subdued and proportional response then you see to current Eve transgressions
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:If you go back and look at the news immediately before and after OWS, it went from Democrats, including Obama, talking about Debt and Deficit as primary narrative, Grand Bargain etc., to wealth inequality and social injustice as the primary issue. It absolutely shifted the focus of elected politicians. Strange, I thought the media was completely corporate controlled.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:If you go back and look at the news immediately before and after OWS, it went from Democrats, including Obama, talking about Debt and Deficit as primary narrative, Grand Bargain etc., to wealth inequality and social injustice as the primary issue. It absolutely shifted the focus of elected politicians. I don't think it can be overstated how much our realities can change. The difference is that most people don't take notice and when things are different there's a desire to assume it's always been that way it's easier to handle. The thing is though it will rarely be in the way predicted. OWS set out to cause some sort of populist uprising of the disenfranchised and that obviously failed, but it did something far more important and long lasting to American politics. It made being rich not an inherent virtue. It may seem small, off target.and even weird, but that small little thing may yet change the world.
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pathetic little tramp posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfkYfPNckIM Very low energy
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Fried Chicken posted:Very low energy More like Low-T
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Khisanth Magus posted:I've never really understood the point of "force politician to the left/right", because all you are accomplishing is getting them to say certain things during their campaign, it doesn't actually change anything they believe or care about, so I don't really see Bernie "forcing Hillary to the left" as accomplishing jack or poo poo when she can(and probably will) just ignore the left once she is in office, no matter how much Bernie "forces her to the left" while campaigning. I mean, hell, Hillary becoming president will even more defang the actual liberals in this country, because it will prove that an actual liberal candidate cannot win the nomination against an establishment candidate and also prove that despite that fact we will be willing to vote for the establishment neo-liberal in the general. The point is you don't let up after the campaign. See also: hoe Norquist is hated by so much of the GOP but they don't dare cross him. Let them hate and loathe us all they like, so long as they fear our reaction too much to not stick to our policy goals.
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Others have said it before but yes, forcing politicians make promises and you can hold them to that, or at the very least extract something from them in the event they break the promise. We're seeing the effects of that right now in Congress. Tea Party d-bags promised more than they could deliver, and the base wants SOMETHING so they are settling for guillotining the "establishment RINOs." Also, all that money Sanders raises doesn't go into his pockets when his campaign ends, if he husbands those resources effectively he can use his campaign's millions as a way to prop up other leftists among the Democratic party. I'm not entirely sure that's what he intends to do with the money pile, but it wouldn't surprise me if that's on the short list of ideas.
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Well, better late than never, Donny:quote:OK, I think I have a bigger heart than all of them,” Trump said during a television interview with Bloomberg, when asked how Americans can depend on him to keep them safe. “I think I’m much more competent than all of them. When you talk about George Bush – I mean, say what you want, the World Trade Center came down during his time,” Trump stated. Woulda helped if he mentioned it on stage that day. And as far as Jeb's response: quote:Freddy Ford, a spokesman for George W. Bush, wasted no time in responding to a question about whether or not the former president would respond to The Donald’s remarks. Gee, I wonder why...
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quote:@JebBush: How pathetic for @realdonaldtrump to criticize the president for 9/11. We were attacked & my brother kept us safe. Jeb! needs some shut-eye really bad.
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Rhesus Pieces posted:Jeb! needs I mean, gently caress, it's like he's not even loving trying.
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Good news! police departments are starting to use 23andme for questionably accurate DNA matching.
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seiferguy posted:Hillary Clinton's SuperPAC is probably funding Star Citizen on the side, yeesh. If only this was in any way true.
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Rhesus Pieces posted:Jeb! needs some shut-eye really bad. It takes real effort to come off as a bigger tool than the Donald.
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Luigi Thirty posted:Good news! police departments are starting to use 23andme for questionably accurate DNA matching. I thought the fda shut them down?
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Fried Chicken posted:I thought the fda shut them down? Nope, they still have their genetic database. They're trying to license it to drug companies for research. You can still get tested but they're not allowed to tell you anything more than genetic mutations without diagnosing anything and your ancestry.
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Luigi Thirty posted:Good news! police departments are starting to use 23andme for questionably accurate DNA matching. This is pretty bad. If I remember correctly just how fingerprints aren't as unique as all that, DNA matching is not the slam-dunk jurors and common people think it is. Just on pure random chance, you start getting "duplicates" around the size of major cities, and it's particularly bad on a national level.
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Mr Interweb posted:“Thanks for checking, but definitely not,” Ford said Friday morning. Probably should've told the person running the twitter.
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Carrasco posted:Probably should've told the person running the twitter. It makes me wonder if Bush logged in and did it himself. The Bush clan seems to lose their temper easily when family members are attacked.
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VikingofRock posted:So I'd just like to pop into this thread for a moment to give everyone a reminder that not all Bernie supporters are crazy. It's just a that few factors (his unusual-for-America political views, his opponent being a woman, his opponent having been a target of conspiracy theories for decades, ...) mean that he draws crazies out of the woodwork. It's pretty frustrating to me as a (hopefully) pretty reasonable Bernie supporter. It's all good bro. I mean I like Bernie more than Hillary but I also know that the realities of electoral politics and want to prevent the republicans taking the white house at all costs, and Hillary is easily the best choice for that especially since she's predicted at running up the score the most against the current republican field making retaking the senate/house in the 2018/2020 elections that much easier. So yeah, I doubt you'll find Clinton people here that think that Hillary would somehow be better on progressive positions than Bernie is, but if you want to crush the republicans, see them driven before you, and read the lamentations of their bloggers like I do Hillary is the one to vote for.
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Fantastic_Mr_Fox posted:lol as soon as Bernie has an ambassador killed to cover up an affair, you can talk. Hey there, poster from 1998 Freerepublic.com! Enjoy the years 2000-2005 because for you guys it's pretty much all downhill from there.
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VikingofRock posted:So I'd just like to pop into this thread for a moment to give everyone a reminder that not all Bernie supporters are crazy. It's just a that few factors (his unusual-for-America political views, his opponent being a woman, his opponent having been a target of conspiracy theories for decades, ...) mean that he draws crazies out of the woodwork. It's pretty frustrating to me as a (hopefully) pretty reasonable Bernie supporter. The RSF BERNIE thread is just a fun zone for people to let loose. Anyone acting crazy in there is just that, acting, cause it's fun and something they can't get away with in a real thread. I basically just post parodies of Hamilton songs myself.
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greatn posted:I assume the biggest boogie man is Benjamin Ghazi? Nah, they are desperate for him to win the nomination.
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greatn posted:I assume the biggest boogie man is Benjamin Ghazi? 
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greatn posted:I assume the biggest boogie man is Benjamin Ghazi? He's third. Obama's still first. Rounding out the top five are Abortion-givers and men doing men.
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DemeaninDemon posted:He's third. Obama's still first. Rounding out the top five are Abortion-givers and men doing men. The Republicans have only kept the Obama-hate going for 7 years. They've been crazy about Hillary since the 90's. I think while the current hate is stronger for Obama she's got enough staying power she's number #1.
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It will only take about 6-9 months after Hillary wins before Republicans are blasting Hillary as divisive and worse than Obama who would at least [token praise aimed only at making Hillary look bad].
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From talking to my Fox News watching friends, Hillary hate is reaching record levels.
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foobardog posted:This is pretty bad. If I remember correctly just how fingerprints aren't as unique as all that, DNA matching is not the slam-dunk jurors and common people think it is. Just on pure random chance, you start getting "duplicates" around the size of major cities, and it's particularly bad on a national level. I don't know about fingerprints, but IIRC with DNA they only check specific markers (for obvious reasons) and there's a 1 in 6 billion or so chance of anyone on earth having the same as you. The chances of a screw up in the lab loving you over is infinitely larger than all the tests etc. being done correctly but you happening to have the same markers as the culprit. It's not random chance that produces the 'duplicates' but human error.
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evilweasel posted:The Republicans have only kept the Obama-hate going for 7 years. They've been crazy about Hillary since the 90's. I think while the current hate is stronger for Obama she's got enough staying power she's number #1. Hillary wins and she'll take over the first spot for sure. Obama might even drop out below 'women who enjoy sex' after a bit of President Hillary.
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euphronius posted:She will definitely be impeached over Benghazi or emails. Actually that's a good question. Can a Republican majority house, assuming they solve their current leadership problem, impeach a hypothetical President Clinton over something done before she was president?
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evilweasel posted:It will only take about 6-9 months after Hillary wins before Republicans are blasting Hillary as divisive and worse than Obama who would at least [token praise aimed only at making Hillary look bad]. I'm genuinely curious what kind of token praise Republicans could give Obama.
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