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JaucheCharly posted:Can't argue that the US dismantled Japan and her imperial ambitions with that war? Why would you think this has anything to do with the economic problems that haunt Japan since the 90s, or economic prosperity of a peer competitor alone? You know what pisses off modern states? Redrawing maps without everyone concerned agreeing. What are you even talking about now?
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Greataval posted:Monroe doctrine is still alive and healthy. Rise of a neer peer competitor is a real concern the U.S has woeked to dismantle all neer peers germany,japan and Soviet Union what makes you think that china will be any diffrent they threaten to up end Americas order. The United States did not dismantle the USSR. It won't dismantle China. And arguably it didn't even dismantle Germany or Japan, just replaced the top layer of the government with one more amenable to American foreign policy
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icantfindaname posted:The United States did not dismantle the USSR. It won't dismantle China. And arguably it didn't even dismantle Germany or Japan, just replaced the top layer of the government with one more amenable to American foreign policy No, there were pretty big changes in Japan, Germany, and Russia.
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Oct 4, 2015 03:43
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Germany was literally partitioned into multiple occupation zones which I think counts as a dismantle.
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Oct 4, 2015 03:44
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Eeeeeh. Russia didn't really change much aside from its oligarches. Systemic corruption, intensifying nationalism, that ever-present creep to the right-wing still continues.
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Oct 4, 2015 03:45
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Bip Roberts posted:No, there were pretty big changes in Japan, Germany, and Russia. not at all, not really, and yes but the US wasn't behind them, in order. Fojar38 posted:Germany was literally partitioned into multiple occupation zones which I think counts as a dismantle. Both West Germany and Japan had their military bureaucracy neutered, but the corporate industrial bureaucracy kept right on going basically unchanged icantfindaname fucked around with this message at 03:53 on Oct 4, 2015 |
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Oct 4, 2015 03:48
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Japan's corporate bureaucracy and wider economy went through many changes during the occupation, for example the partial dissolution of the Zaibatsu. I mean the same people were mostly still running Japan's industry but it didn't keep running unchanged.
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Oct 4, 2015 06:08
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So here in Hong Kong we are going to get rid of the crown and royal cypher on the old post boxes because, according to Hong Kong Post, it confuses people. https://www.hongkongfp.com/2015/10/05/hongkong-post-to-cover-royal-cyphers-on-59-historic-post-boxes/
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Oct 8, 2015 01:16
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Has this thing been discussed here yet? https://www.aclu.org/blog/free-future/chinas-nightmarish-citizen-scores-are-warning-americans
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Oct 8, 2015 11:31
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If your score drops below 400, a white van just pulls up next to your apartment and you're never seen again.
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Oct 8, 2015 12:15
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^ I like to think the lowest score's 0350 because that's the time the secret police'll show up.
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Oct 8, 2015 12:21
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That would kind of suck to have a low score just cause you couldn't pay back a loan or something, then BAM one of your friends posts a picture of Tiananmen and the van rolls up and injects you with potassium chloride.
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Oct 8, 2015 12:35
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Can you gain credit score by wumaoing all day?
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Oct 8, 2015 12:36
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Its all a plot to do a Cartman and start a Stock Exchange of Social Media Friends This is because they tried having a real-life grown-up stock exchange like Daddy but they hosed that up so bad theyre only allowed little kid toys now
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Oct 8, 2015 13:37
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icantfindaname posted:and yes but the US wasn't behind them, in order. It kind of was. The Soviet Union collapsed and in the early 90s a whole bunch of American neocon economists and the IMF went over there to show the Russians how to privatise their economy and become a new capitalist paradise where market forces would bring prosperity to all! See this chap, for example - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Sachs#Advising_in_Latin_America_and_postcommunist_economies Then it all went to poo poo, a few people made out like literal bandits and everyone else starved, yay capitalism.
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Oct 8, 2015 13:57
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Sorry for my above post, I thought I was in .jpg
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feedmegin posted:It kind of was. The Soviet Union collapsed and in the early 90s a whole bunch of American neocon economists and the IMF went over there to show the Russians how to privatise their economy and become a new capitalist paradise where market forces would bring prosperity to all! See this chap, for example - Tell me more about how the Soviet Union collapsed because it wasn't communist enough.
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The Russian economy was in need of some liberalization after the fall of the Soviet Union but the way that it was done was idiotic as poo poo. Encouraging them to basically fire sale everything rather than slowly move toward a more free market economy was absolutely disastrous and made for rampant corruption and selling of things to oligarchs.
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simplefish posted:Sorry for my above post, I thought I was in .jpg You can tell because there was no .jpg
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Oct 9, 2015 12:17
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Barracuda Bang! posted:You can tell because there was no .jpg There are no jpg's in the other thread either 
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Oct 9, 2015 12:20
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waitwhatno posted:There are no jpg's in the other thread either 
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Oct 9, 2015 12:24
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Fojar38 posted:Tell me more about how the Soviet Union collapsed because it wasn't communist enough. The end of one-party rule by the Communist party did lead directly to the end of the Soviet Union, because it allowed nationalist movements to operate in some of the Soviet republics. It's not a surprising consequence to political repression coming to an end. Gorelab posted:The Russian economy was in need of some liberalization after the fall of the Soviet Union but the way that it was done was idiotic as poo poo. Encouraging them to basically fire sale everything rather than slowly move toward a more free market economy was absolutely disastrous and made for rampant corruption and selling of things to oligarchs. But anyway this is basically it. There's a lot of potential middle-grounds between a full-blown command economy and privatising everything.
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Oct 9, 2015 12:32
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lol if you think the Soviet Union was Communist. It was a feudalistic society with bigger distribution centres and a good PR department.
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WarpedNaba posted:lol if you think the Soviet Union was Communist. It was a feudalistic society with bigger distribution centres and a good PR department.  Free Housing, nuff said.
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Oct 9, 2015 23:45
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Pretty sure NK doesn't make its serfs pay for their shacks. They communist too?
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Oct 10, 2015 00:08
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WarpedNaba posted:Pretty sure NK doesn't make its serfs pay for their shacks. They communist too? They pay with their lives.
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Oct 10, 2015 00:09
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Yes or no, buddy. Don't dodge this one.
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Oct 10, 2015 00:13
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wow it's almost like 'communism' means something other than 'gives free stuff'
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Oct 10, 2015 00:38
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Also Hong Kong should wage a war of independence.
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Oct 10, 2015 00:45
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Let me get this straight: In simple terms, the government is forbidding the talk of the great collapse of Shanghai stocks amongst anyone not in the party itself in the hopes of maintaining calm. Short term anyways. But what will really happen as a result?
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Oct 10, 2015 01:19
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Nonsense posted:Also Hong Kong should wage a war of independence. Restore the Gin Drinker's Line
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Oct 10, 2015 01:36
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How do I get a VPN connection in-country if I hosed up and relied on the lovely goon run one?
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Oct 16, 2015 07:34
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I'm still a little confused how this thread constantly goes off topic and starts chatting about the USSR.
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Snipee posted:I'm still a little confused how this thread constantly goes off topic and starts chatting about the USSR. No why.
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Oct 16, 2015 10:52
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Rated PG-34 posted:How do I get a VPN connection in-country if I hosed up and relied on the lovely goon run one? Does Freegate still work? If so, use that to set up whatever you need. Or just use Freegate, if you don't ever want to stream anything.
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Oct 16, 2015 16:49
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If you still have a home country credit/debit card you can get set up with astril
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Oct 17, 2015 06:37
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BCR posted:If you still have a home country credit/debit card you can get set up with astril http://www.blockedinchina.net/?siteurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.astrill.com%2F I think you misunderstand the nature of the problem. Most of the big VPNs have their websites blocked. Without a VPN or something like one, you aren't signing up for a VPN.
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Rated PG-34 posted:How do I get a VPN connection in-country if I hosed up and relied on the lovely goon run one? I can help you register one on Pandapow if you want, it's what I use and it works super reliably.
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goldboilermark posted:I can help you register one on Pandapow if you want, it's what I use and it works super reliably. I managed to have a friend out of country register me an account on expressvpn, but thanks.
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WarpedNaba posted:Closest I can think of -and it's tangential at best- is the Zaibatsus that arose from the ashes at the end of WWII and were essentially the sole contributors to the enormous bubble that burst in the 90s. First of all, the zaibatsus were mostly dismantled by the US during the postwar occupation. I assume you're referring to keiretsu, which were a postwar phenomenon. You could argue that the banks that they were built on exacerbated the problem by lax lending standards that inflated the asset bubble
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