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MaskedHuzzah
Mar 26, 2009

Come now! Look me in the eye and tell me - isn't this the face of a guy you can trust?
Lipstick Apathy
I actually laughed out loud at Evil Goddess's flyby head bop when Yuja called her treacherous.

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Araxxor
Oct 20, 2012

My disdain for you all knows no bounds.

Scalding Coffee posted:

I don't remember seeing a banana be used as a weapon, Fran.

Technically one was used as a death trap back in that quest in Revolution. :v:

Scalding Coffee
Jun 26, 2006

You're already dead
Clever girl.

dscruffy1
Nov 22, 2007

Look out!
Nap Ghost
My internet is still screwed up and this is irritating as hell. MY LIFE IS SO HARD YOU GUYS. Anyway have an update.

26: Yuja: Stonecutter, Gemcutter!/Polsy

Ben Kasack
Dec 27, 2010
Has it been said that the general battle/quest music for Rag 30 is awesome? Because :iia:

Ulvirich
Jun 26, 2007

That Maiden of Hell looks like a reference to Hatsune Miku? The head and hair design, along with being a singer and the color palette is reminiscent of her character.

Tuxedo Ted
Apr 24, 2007

Still learning new things every day. I never knew the solid jewel could be used that way.

Araxxor
Oct 20, 2012

My disdain for you all knows no bounds.
The 1st Slaughter Daughter (without Oron's help) is who I was referring to when I said that there was an unbeatable enemy in Ragnarok. The only way to fight her is with the Bent Sword, and her initial attack always kills you. Even with the best possible equipment in the game, and hitting the level cap, she has too much defense and deals too much damage for you to be able to take her down. Everyone else in the game? You can take them down if you grind enough. :v:

Scalding Coffee
Jun 26, 2006

You're already dead
What is the deal with those tough guys that got turned to stone? Feels like we are missing something.

Rigged Death Trap
Feb 13, 2012

BEEP BEEP BEEP BEEP

Ulvirich posted:

That Maiden of Hell looks like a reference to Hatsune Miku? The head and hair design, along with being a singer and the color palette is reminiscent of her character.

It runs a bit deeper than that:
The track you hear during that mission was composed by Otomania, who I think is one of the most well known vocaloid artists? Im not sure. Still though he does stuff for project DIVA and the like.

MaskedHuzzah
Mar 26, 2009

Come now! Look me in the eye and tell me - isn't this the face of a guy you can trust?
Lipstick Apathy
Yuri Yaksha is probably a reference to a kind of nature spirit called the Yaksha, who is associated with "natural treasures hidden in the earth" and is sometimes portrayed within lotus blossoms.

Ulvirich
Jun 26, 2007

Do I really have to explain what "Yuri" is in japanese media? :gonk:

a cartoon duck
Sep 5, 2011

lesbians aren't that hard to explain

Shady Amish Terror
Oct 11, 2007
I'm not Amish by choice. 8(
...to anyone trying to put together this fractured converation, the crystal spirit with the two ladies is called 'Yuri Yaksha', which basically means 'Lesbian Nature/Earth Spirit'.

It's not exactly scandalous or anything, even if it might be an uncomfortable reminder to some that the DLC exists. :v:

dscruffy1
Nov 22, 2007

Look out!
Nap Ghost
Well that was a weird conversation.

On a completely different note my internet is still screwed up and this upsets me. Oh well. Have an update and watch me embrace my gambling problem.

27: Venus 7's Last Concert!/Polsy

cokerpilot
Apr 23, 2010

Battle Brothers! Stop coming to meetings drunk and trying to adopt Tevery Best!

Lord General! Stop standing on the table and making up stupid operation names!

Emperor, why do I put up with these people?

dscruffy1 posted:

Well that was a weird conversation.

On a completely different note my internet is still screwed up and this upsets me. Oh well. Have an update and watch me embrace my gambling problem.

27: Venus 7's Last Concert!/Polsy

.... I think we need an intervention here.

Araxxor
Oct 20, 2012

My disdain for you all knows no bounds.
When the game first came out, there was a glitch that caused the 2nd Time Stone to not work at all. Thankfully that was one of the first bugs fixed.

Oh hey, it's the Balmung. One of the most powerful weapons in HMH1 that you got through a really long and grueling stage (that was also a reference to another game), or through one of the extra stages added in the port. Now reduced to a casino prize. :v:

Major_JF
Oct 17, 2008

cokerpilot posted:

.... I think we need an intervention here.

I'll help after I am done here in Dragon Quest... (stupid bingo slime)

MightyPretenders
Feb 21, 2014

So last episode we had a racing game level and a rhythm game level. Just in case you'd forgotten that this game parodies just about everything.

Cheez
Apr 29, 2013

Someone doesn't like a shitty gimmick I like?

:siren:
TIME FOR ME TO WHINE ABOUT IT!
:siren:
It's a classic prank to just to label some slaughter daughters 1 and 3, then set them loose into the world. Heroes will just be spending all that time looking for that second slaughter daughter!

Lord_Magmar
Feb 24, 2015

"Welcome to pound town, Slifer slacker!"


I have a theory that slaughter daughter was the original translation for the Venus Seven and was meant to be a ranking of how deadly they were. In which case this is another problem with the translation going wierd in a few places.

Polsy
Mar 23, 2007

It's not that (like the God Nine, the Venus Seven are literally called the English words 'Venus Seven' in Japanese), but oddly the two are called First (that is, eldest; first-born) Slaughter Daughter, and something like Third Massacre Daughter - that is, the two are effectively synonyms, but not identical. Maybe it's some kind of wordplay but I don't know what if so.

dscruffy1
Nov 22, 2007

Look out!
Nap Ghost
While I'm going through rehab for my gambling problem, please enjoy this good DLC they made for HMH2.

28: Warring Dynasties 30!/Polsy

Araxxor
Oct 20, 2012

My disdain for you all knows no bounds.
Yeah, that DLC was a lot better than Revolution's. Dunno what they were thinking with that. These quests are a lot more interesting gameplay wise as well.

If the Time Goddess is still with you, the first quest has different dialogue.

The store at the end is actually where you can buy weapons that were normally one time rewards, if you used them up in weapon crafting. The Revolution DLC also has a store like that. I think you can buy Yuja's War God Staff there once you've used it up in weapon crafting.

Carbon dioxide
Oct 9, 2012

I wonder if that world map has the thing from certain old RPGs where, if you go off the north edge you appear at the south. It's a common "mistake", and it would be a nice little thing to parody.

Zanzibar Ham
Mar 17, 2009

You giving me the cold shoulder? How cruel.


Grimey Drawer
Is there some DLC that happens after the world is saved and the main game is over? I just thought it would be funny if some descendant of the hero line lived in a safe world and had to do a bunch of chores at his family home, 30 seconds each. And a Time Goddess (or #30) desperate for money would rewind time for such a lame thing. And uh... How the hero would get the money.. Maybe the house has a mess of vermin of all kinds, and sorting that out is the ultimate goal of the DLC.

Araxxor
Oct 20, 2012

My disdain for you all knows no bounds.

Carbon dioxide posted:

I wonder if that world map has the thing from certain old RPGs where, if you go off the north edge you appear at the south. It's a common "mistake", and it would be a nice little thing to parody.

Yeah, the mission has the wrap around at the top and bottom of the maps too.

Zanzibar Ham posted:

Is there some DLC that happens after the world is saved and the main game is over? I just thought it would be funny if some descendant of the hero line lived in a safe world and had to do a bunch of chores at his family home, 30 seconds each. And a Time Goddess (or #30) desperate for money would rewind time for such a lame thing. And uh... How the hero would get the money.. Maybe the house has a mess of vermin of all kinds, and sorting that out is the ultimate goal of the DLC.

Nah, that was the last of the DLC.

Double Rabite
Mar 30, 2010

Typical Saturday night dance party.

Carbon dioxide posted:

I wonder if that world map has the thing from certain old RPGs where, if you go off the north edge you appear at the south. It's a common "mistake", and it would be a nice little thing to parody.

Don't you know the shape of the world for old RPGs was actually a torus and not a sphere.

MaskedHuzzah
Mar 26, 2009

Come now! Look me in the eye and tell me - isn't this the face of a guy you can trust?
Lipstick Apathy
Historical reference note: Noblong is pretty obviously Nobunaga, one of the most demonized rulers of Japan, who was best known for uniting all of Japan under, well, himself. Hideo is almost certainly a reference to Hideyoshi, Nobunaga's best-known general and successor. Tokuga is therefore a reference to Tokugawa, who succeeded Hideyoshi and started the Tokugawa dynasty. The Black Ships are a reference from about 200-300 years after Nobunaga's reign - they represent the U.S. Navy from when we wanted to open trade with Japan by force. But they're also alluding to Tokugawa's naval force of the first tekkousen - ironclad ships in an era where everyone else's navy was made of wood.

Also: The DLC missions overuse the "panic" music at the beginning of the level. Just so many words over such a repetitive music sting.

Scalding Coffee
Jun 26, 2006

You're already dead
Cannons were an unstoppable force in those days back when Japan was still busy with treating naval battles exactly like land battles. European trade ships were more heavily armed than whatever Japan could field and people had the bright idea with buying guns from merchants and training the peasants to use them in battle.

dscruffy1
Nov 22, 2007

Look out!
Nap Ghost
I regret nothing about my gambling problems. I've only got gambling SOLUTIONS.

29: Unrivaled Champion Yuja!/Polsy

a cartoon duck
Sep 5, 2011

The goddess statue you have to 2000 gold to remove all statues is actually the same as the very first one you pay 200 to in order to proceed.

And yeah, the title in that final mission can still be gotten if you just unequip those boots. Equipment during quests shows up whether it's in your inventory or not, the game only checks whether you have it currently equipped or not.

Thanatz
Nov 4, 2010

MaskedHuzzah posted:

Historical reference note: Noblong is pretty obviously Nobunaga, one of the most demonized rulers of Japan, who was best known for uniting all of Japan under, well, himself. Hideo is almost certainly a reference to Hideyoshi, Nobunaga's best-known general and successor. Tokuga is therefore a reference to Tokugawa, who succeeded Hideyoshi and started the Tokugawa dynasty. The Black Ships are a reference from about 200-300 years after Nobunaga's reign - they represent the U.S. Navy from when we wanted to open trade with Japan by force. But they're also alluding to Tokugawa's naval force of the first tekkousen - ironclad ships in an era where everyone else's navy was made of wood.

Also: The DLC missions overuse the "panic" music at the beginning of the level. Just so many words over such a repetitive music sting.

More historical reference notes: Nobunaga didn't actually unite Japan. He was well on his way, and would have most likely have achieved it, but he was killed by one of his generals before he actually finished the job. Hideyoshi finished the job, attempted to invade Korea twice, died, and then Tokugawa, another Nobunaga general, killed Hideyoshi's son, and took over. The Black Ships may have referred to the American vessels, but the term was based on the original Portuguese ships that opened trade with Japan because they painted their ships with black pitch. Eventually the term black ship came to apply to all western ships that came to Japan. Tokugawa, Hideyoshi, and Nobunaga all used those ironclad ships, but they were all pretty poo poo, as Japanese naval tactics were to pull up and grapple their opponents ships and go to hand-to-hand combat. During the aforementioned Korean invasion, the Korean ships were better constructed, and just fielded more, and heavier cannons to plink away at the armored ships from out of the tekkousen's range.

MightyPretenders
Feb 21, 2014

Oh I'm looking forward to tomorrow. All of the finales have something none of the others have, and for Ragnarock, that's the most cinematic sequence in the game.

AweStriker
Oct 6, 2014

Is it wrong that I saw "Big Venus" and immediately thought of The Big O? I hope not...

Scalding Coffee
Jun 26, 2006

You're already dead
Do arena battles have scaling enemies or is it really that generous for low level people?

Cheez
Apr 29, 2013

Someone doesn't like a shitty gimmick I like?

:siren:
TIME FOR ME TO WHINE ABOUT IT!
:siren:

Scalding Coffee posted:

Do arena battles have scaling enemies or is it really that generous for low level people?

You can go through almost the entire game without stopping to kill some guys outside the regular part of the game. Even in the global dungeons, you can run away from a large portion of the encounters to get past them if you just want to collect items at a low level. As a general rule, if you start a mission and any of the monsters are already blue, it's safe to say you're beyond the expected level for that point.

a cartoon duck
Sep 5, 2011

I think the stat bonuses from the Spiral Lance and that DLC helmet made an appreciable difference. I remember fighting Cozain in the high twenties and only scraping by by the skin of my teeth.

Scalding Coffee
Jun 26, 2006

You're already dead

Cheez posted:

You can go through almost the entire game without stopping to kill some guys outside the regular part of the game. Even in the global dungeons, you can run away from a large portion of the encounters to get past them if you just want to collect items at a low level. As a general rule, if you start a mission and any of the monsters are already blue, it's safe to say you're beyond the expected level for that point.
I am talking about the arena.

In dungeons with Cozain in them, he makes an enemy blink a different color if your level is not too high.

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dscruffy1
Nov 22, 2007

Look out!
Nap Ghost
Don't laugh but I usually get a little misty eyed when I do this quest.

No commentary because...reasons.

30: Hero 3 Billion?! RAGNAROK!/Polsy

B2: Coo's Song/Polsy

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