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Senor Tron posted:Jack is essentially a glitch in the Universe created by the TARDIS being used to do something it never should, a medical device is entirely different. I assume Jack was made immortal because he's a time traveller, but didn't Bad Wolf ressurect a load of people on Satellite Five that day?
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PriorMarcus posted:I assume Jack was made immortal because he's a time traveller, but didn't Bad Wolf ressurect a load of people on Satellite Five that day? As far as I recall, Jack was the only one, and Rose as Bad Wolf didn't really know what she was doing/what the implications were, so it simply set Jack's "natural" state to "Jack is alive". Ashildr is immortal in the sense there is a device inside her keeping her alive, whereas Jack is just ALWAYS alive (or finally burns out after a few billion years if you buy into RTD's not particularly deeply thought out "wouldn't it be funny to suggest he's the Face of Boe!" thinking).
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Oct 18, 2015 09:04
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Yeah, Jack was unnaturally set to immortal. No technology or underlying method behind it, no process. That's what makes The Doctor not like being around him. Being truly honest, I love the Jack Is The Face Of Boe thing. I can't explain why or anything, I just like it. This guy we know whose existence has been set to Always Immortal eventually becomes this big giant head thing. MisterBibs fucked around with this message at 09:12 on Oct 18, 2015 |
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Oct 18, 2015 09:09
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MisterBibs posted:I can't explain why or anything, I just like it. This actually sums up a lot of RTD's big clusterfuck finales for me 
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Oct 18, 2015 09:16
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I liked most of the episode but the part with the crying baby poetry was probably the most embarrassingly stupid thing I've ever seen on TV Edit: I mean "speaks baby" is easy to roll with, but the translation itself being an incredibly long and florid ode to the kindly worlds of mother's face is something you'd write to take the piss. Tempo 119 fucked around with this message at 09:57 on Oct 18, 2015 |
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Oct 18, 2015 09:30
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The_Doctor posted:I need to watch that again, because right now all I can think is 'Well that was a mess'. I'm curious as to why you think this episode was a "mess", especially as that term has been used a lot for the other episodes this season (rightly so I think) ? It was tightly scripted, had a beginning and an end (which leads nicely into the next episode), had some good clara and doctor moments and the bad guys were cool looking.
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Oct 18, 2015 09:39
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Tempo 119 posted:I liked most of the episode but the part with the crying baby poetry was probably the most embarrassingly stupid thing I've ever seen on TV It's dumb and I preferred the previous ways it was used more, where he wasnt translating but just responding, making it a ambigious joke if he could talk with the babies or not. Now he just got information from it?
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Oct 18, 2015 10:22
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Great episode. The aliens were, again, absolutely horrifying, and I love it. The snake looked fake, but I guess that works out just fine. I figured it was supposed to be the midgard serpent, which was why they were freaking out.thespaceinvader posted:Vikings didn't wear horned helmets. You seriously want a viking episode without viking helmets? Next you're gonna tell me the best version of Robin Hood is that godawful Ridley Scott film.
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Oct 18, 2015 10:39
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This is kind of the opposite of most Doctor Who episodes for me. Normally I enjoy it from scene to scene but come away feeling quite disappointed. This time I thought it was cringe inducing from scene to scene, yet I was completely engrossed in it and genuinely loved episode in full. Its amazing how much of a positive effect you can get when you tone things down, keep things simple and just let the actors breathe and do their thing.
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Oct 18, 2015 10:46
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I think, more than anything, I'm surprised by the fact that the episode started with a Monty Python allusion and wasn't awful. That should have set a godawful, painful tone, yet not only did the joke itself work, the entire rest of the episode did too. It's so weird to think that the same guy that wrote Mummy on the Orient Express and Flatline did this, but the fact that he did means that I think we can really get a hold on what his sorts of Who stories are. There's still common themes and concepts at play; his monsters are all things that can't be outfought or even really run from, but are a puzzle for the Doctor and Clara to solve with the evidence and situation ingredients given to them, with Clara playing an important role of keeping things grounded and understood enough for the Doctor to not think too extremely. His monsters are all pretty simple in concept too, but are sold through their appearance and actions; these ones were basically just a Sontaran-style warrior race, but their heavily industrial design and reliance on visual spectacle (to the point where it's their downfall) set them apart from everything. I love Mathieson's monsters, but the way he writes them makes me really interested in seeing how he'd write a series staple like the Daleks or Cybermen. Also, the Doctor's issues during the episode are basically 'Kill the Moon/Forest of the Night done right' and I love it.
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Oct 18, 2015 11:20
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Capaldi was really enjoyable and since the Doctor and how he interacts with everyone and everything is one of the reasons why I watch this show I am happy with this episode. In other words, this is the Doctor I want to see, not the Doctor that gets into a shouting match with Danny Pink.
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So, interesting bit of gossip; Nine's inclusion in the 50th got as far as the story boarding phase for the entire episode, with The Moment being played by a young Amy - called Raggedy Girl, rather than a Bad Wolf possessed Rose. Apparently the reason Christopher eventually left was because of budget problems with the 50th Anniversary changing plans and delaying the filming so he would've had to leave another project he'd already signed up for, otherwise he was perfectly happy to reprise his role. Further to this at one point the 50th was going to be three episodes, ending with Day of the Doctor, but as it became obvious the show hadn't recovered from passed budget mistakes these three episodes became Name, Day and Time respectively - with Matt Smith's regeneration being forced into the last one due to Smith wanting out following the behind the scenes drama. All of this comes from a storyboarding artist who recently published a book with some of the Ninth Doctor scenes from the 50th in it and has been appearing at conventions to promote it. He also story boarded for the shows Seventh series. Here's some of the storyboards; http://imgur.com/a/IrsmU PriorMarcus fucked around with this message at 15:34 on Oct 18, 2015 |
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Oct 18, 2015 11:51
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I thought that was pretty good, even though I don't normally like this kind of episode. Most of the silly scenes were funny and the Doctor's conflict about what to do was interesting. The last 10 minutes did kindof come out of nowhere but whatever.
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And More posted:Great episode. The aliens were, again, absolutely horrifying, and I love it. The snake looked fake, but I guess that works out just fine. I figured it was supposed to be the midgard serpent, which was why they were freaking out. I don't think I've seen a good version of Robin Hood on film tbh. On a different note, I have to say I really liked the cold open, and I've liked a lot of similar episodes in the past which have used the same device. They should do that more.
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Oct 18, 2015 12:54
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Pretty average episode. It had some nice character moments, but nothing really stood out or felt particularly memorable, and the ending felt clumsily added in (like The Doctor's Daughter). A bit of a disappointment really, given the high expectations Mathieson had set up.
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thespaceinvader posted:I don't think I've seen a good version of Robin Hood on film tbh. It's clearly the animated Disney film.  Alternatively, you could just settle for the one with Errol Flynn and Basil Rathbone that everybody seems to like.
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Oct 18, 2015 14:00
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Wait, they had the cloister bell again for no loving reason EPISODE WAS BAD
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Oct 18, 2015 14:03
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thespaceinvader posted:Electric eels do not live in Norway. Hans Christian Andersen was Danish. Denmark is next to Norway. Hans Christian Andersen wrote The Little Mermaid. Disney adapted The Little Mermaid into an animated feature that included two electric eels. Therefore, electric eels are sufficiently Norwegian. QED.
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Oct 18, 2015 14:13
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Clara's totes already dead and both the Doctor and the TARDIS know it, hence his preoccupation with the subject and it ringing the bell every 5 minutes because he's loving everything up trying to save her from something that did already, and has to, happen.
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Oct 18, 2015 14:16
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Sentinel Red posted:Clara's totes already dead and both the Doctor and the TARDIS know it, hence his preoccupation with the subject and it ringing the bell every 5 minutes because he's loving everything up trying to save her from something that did already, and has to, happen. I could buy that.
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Oct 18, 2015 14:23
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Oh poo poo, I really like Doctor Who again. And I'm also finally sold on Capaldi. That was (mostly) great. Storywise a bit ropey, but so many great lines. 'I applaud your courage, but I deplore your stupidity" is Doctor as all get out.
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Oct 18, 2015 15:28
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MrL_JaKiri posted:Wait, they had the cloister bell again for no loving reason I am getting rather tired of the cloister bell ringing for every tiny little crisis. I want that thing reserved for "all of existence is in peril" level threats.
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Oct 18, 2015 15:43
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Also, Lofty for new companion.
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Barry Foster posted:Also, Lofty for new companion. I would've went with Heidi.
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Tarquinn posted:I would've went with Heidi. But you'd be thinking of Lofty
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MisterBibs posted:I love the range she goes through: Happiness, then when we see her face again she's sad, then she goes neutral. The last one hints that such a neutral face is a bad thing, because of the explosion. Explosion? That was a tidal wave.
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YOU'RE a tidal wave.
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PriorMarcus posted:Here's some of the storyboards; http://imgur.com/a/IrsmU Thanks for the link, it's always interesting to think what might have been. Name and Time were both interesting stories I enjoyed but did feel messy, whereas I pretty much adored Day from start to finish. Who knows what might have been if Eccleston had been involved, they'd dropped out the entire War Doctor thing, and made it more distinctly a three-parter. I wouldn't want to see anybody but Caitlin Blackwood playing Little Amelia Pond though and she was probably a bit too old by that point to really play the character anymore.
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That was bad. Like, being silly and wacky's great, but don't act like you then want me to give a poo poo about the character's bleak, nihilistic, imminent doom. THIS IS A SERIOUS CHARACTER MOMENT where a baby narrates the imminent demise of its people in a dry run at the Poetic Edda. YAKETY SAX that girl just died. Didn't help that most of the emotional stuff was pretty overwraught. Plus, a lot of that plot was really sleight, cramming a full episode's plot into the first three quarters of an episode so that they could have that ending. I dunno, I wanted to see the reject Vikings pull together and do something about the dumb, cheesy bad guy. Something fun and silly. Instead what we got was a badly choreographed sequence in a hut. Pretty fun for what it was, but it could have been much more. Open Source Idiom fucked around with this message at 17:13 on Oct 18, 2015 |
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I wasn't a really big fan of this episode, I feel like they couldn't decide if they were writing a comedy episode or a dramatic one, so they tried to Aaron Sorkin it and do both, and it didn't work very well. Not sure where they're even going with it as a two parter, but if the second part ends up being good, then the first part is going to basically be the Maisie Williams origin story and nothing more.
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Oct 18, 2015 17:15
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That episode was alright, perfectly acceptable Doctor Who fare. The first two stories were good stuff, so it's no insult to say it's the low point of this series so far.
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Oct 18, 2015 19:00
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MrL_JaKiri posted:Wait, they had the cloister bell again for no loving reason Or we just don't know the reason yet?! Ok probably not.
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Oct 18, 2015 19:23
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Good news? http://www.doctorwhonews.net/2015/10/the-girl-who-died-overnight-viewing.html
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Jerusalem posted:As far as I recall, Jack was the only one, and Rose as Bad Wolf didn't really know what she was doing/what the implications were, so it simply set Jack's "natural" state to "Jack is alive". Weighing in on this, they mentioned directly that Jack was 'Fixed Point' in time, which is, yeah, a glitch in the matrix. So basically there HAS to be a Jack in the Universe at any given time, and the universe will make drat sure that there is, which mostly involves stopping him dying. Which also ties into my theory that he was finally able to die as the Face of Boe because, being immortal, and being a time traveller, there was, at that point, a version of Jack at every point of time from the creation of the universe to the end. Which makes him really, really, really old.
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PriorMarcus posted:So, interesting bit of gossip; Nine's inclusion in the 50th got as far as the story boarding phase for the entire episode, with The Moment being played by a young Amy - called Raggedy Girl, rather than a Bad Wolf possessed Rose. nice dalek
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Oct 18, 2015 20:31
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Overnights: 4.7 million (ish, the slightly odd timeslot has made the numbers go a bit screwy), second for the day behind Strictly. No audience share or AI yet, but it's the best overnight of the year so far.
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I enjoyed the episode a lot. I thought it was fun. Maisie Williams was good in it.
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Holy poo poo the doctor just beat an enemy by hacking their google glass, making an AR snake and then threatening to upload the reaction video to space YouTube, with loving yakety sax played over it. This episode just got stupider and stupider until I was kind of ready to write off this season's flawless streak but then WHAM, it kicks the stupid into such a ridiculously high gear that it suddenly works. And the thing is, I don't think you could have done this to an episode that didn't set you up with stuff like embarrassing baby translation, it would have been a waste of a climax. Here it doesn't feel like they're just turning around at the end and setting fire to the entire script, here the stupidity feels earned.
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The_Master posted:Weighing in on this, they mentioned directly that Jack was 'Fixed Point' in time, which is, yeah, a glitch in the matrix. So basically there HAS to be a Jack in the Universe at any given time, and the universe will make drat sure that there is, which mostly involves stopping him dying. Which also ties into my theory that he was finally able to die as the Face of Boe because, being immortal, and being a time traveller, there was, at that point, a version of Jack at every point of time from the creation of the universe to the end. Which makes him really, really, really old. This is really, really clever.
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