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There's a mod out there that replaces all the dead trees in Fo3 with gigantic living ones, it's actually pretty neat. When used with the mods that remove the green tinge in makes the Wasteland look like like the Earth is more or less plodding along alright, but people are still loving each other over.
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Baron Bifford posted:Did the games ever explain why America is still a wasteland after so much time? You'd think the biosphere would have regenerated after 200 years. It did make a bit more sense in NV since it was in the Mojave. The state of the fauna looked at about the right level of recovery. FO1 and FO2 happened in a time frame it would make sense for the biosphere to be completely wrecked. I don't know what the deal with FO3 was. Edit: I guess the idea was that since everything was powered by nuclear fission (think the Corvegas) it wasn't fallout from the bombs per say that left everything irradiated beyond recovery. SwitchbladeKult fucked around with this message at 18:33 on Oct 18, 2015 |
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Oct 18, 2015 18:26
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Baron Bifford posted:Did the games ever explain why America is still a wasteland after so much time? You'd think the biosphere would have regenerated after 200 years. They just looked at modern America and copied it. 
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Oct 18, 2015 18:30
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There are people that would like to see mutant flora and new fauna take over biospheres and then there are "Purists" who will cry to high heaven about ruined atmosphere and missing essential fallout style if it isn't the same bombed out nothing from FO3. Both can be cool and both have people that will argue about it till the game's released and this thread is dead because we're playing 4.
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Oct 18, 2015 18:30
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why not both at the same time
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Oct 18, 2015 18:32
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frajaq posted:why not both at the same time They actually seem to have taken this approach with Fo4. I remember listening to one of the talks they gave and they mentioned that different parts of the world have different atmospheres. A lot of it is clean air blue sky and all that jazz, but apparently there's also a ground zero area that's more like Fo3.
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Oct 18, 2015 18:36
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SwitchbladeKult posted:It did make a bit more sense in NV since it was in the Mojave. The state of the fauna looked at about the right level of recovery. FO1 and FO2 happened in a time frame it would make sense for the biosphere to be completely wrecked. I don't know what the deal with FO3 was. That's a neat way to think of it. I can't imagine the leaking nuclear radiation from all those loving cars. I will also say that the area you play in in DC was mostly suburbs and buildings before the war, so it can take longer to regrow there. Which adds the weird question of why are only one building per square mile standing. Or why there's no building rubble.
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Oct 18, 2015 18:39
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Nasgate posted:Which adds the weird question of why are only one building per square mile standing. Or why there's no building rubble. because it's a video game
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Oct 18, 2015 18:43
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Where did the Tunnel Snakes find those greaser jackets?
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Oct 18, 2015 18:46
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Mokinokaro posted:It's a pop culture fantasy version of radiation not a realistic portrayal. SwitchbladeKult posted:I don't know what the deal with FO3 was.
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Oct 18, 2015 18:47
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delicious Mirelurk/Molerat meat
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Oct 18, 2015 18:54
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I really liked FO3.
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SwitchbladeKult posted:It did make a bit more sense in NV since it was in the Mojave. The state of the fauna looked at about the right level of recovery. FO1 and FO2 happened in a time frame it would make sense for the biosphere to be completely wrecked. I don't know what the deal with FO3 was. I assumed it was like that because it was DC and it was probably hit by a ton of bombs targeted at DC. sector_corrector posted:It's hard to catch unless you're paying attention, but Caesar knows this and is doing it on purpose. He's obsessed with the Hegelian dialectic, and thinks of the NCR as the thesis and purposefully models his proto-fascist legion as the antithesis with the idea that as they enter their final conflict they will eventually produce a synthesis that will be greater than any pre-war society. It comes from him being a sociolinguist for the Followers and being disgusted with their soft left humanism, as well as the bureaucratic rot of the NCR which he saw as a replication of old world moral decadence. Dapper_Swindler fucked around with this message at 19:02 on Oct 18, 2015 |
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Oct 18, 2015 19:00
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Nostalgia4Infinity posted:I really liked FO3. frajaq posted:delicious Mirelurk/Molerat meat
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Oct 18, 2015 19:02
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Baron Bifford posted:What do the molerats eat? Radioactive junk, probably.
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Oct 18, 2015 19:03
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Baron Bifford posted:New Vegas was better in every way. Todd Howard's Fallout Bible should say "photosynthesis or some poo poo" iGestalt posted:Radioactive junk, probably.
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Oct 18, 2015 19:04
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Baron Bifford posted:Is a little handwaving explanation too much to ask for? There's a shitton of radiation. That's the handwaving explanation.
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Oct 18, 2015 19:05
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Baron Bifford posted:I wondered how exactly the people of the Capitol Wasteland were feeding themselves. I don't remember coming across a single farm.
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Oct 18, 2015 19:05
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Baron Bifford posted:What do the molerats eat? I'd assume they're scavengers.
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Oct 18, 2015 19:09
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Nostalgia4Infinity posted:I really liked FO3. Brave
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Oct 18, 2015 19:10
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Baron Bifford posted:New Vegas was better in every way. It's okay for you to think that. I disagree but that's okay.
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Oct 18, 2015 19:14
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Because Fallout 1 and 2 did not have a contiguous world, you could always say the farms were "outside the map". There was also Modoc, an actual farming community. But Fallout 3 was an open world game, so the absence of farms felt a bit glaring.
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Oct 18, 2015 19:15
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Yeah radiation in Fallout works like radiation in cheesy 50s scifi. This is done deliberately as part of the setting so it's pretty silly to act like it's a mistake or oversight.
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Oct 18, 2015 19:17
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Nostalgia4Infinity posted:I really liked FO3. Report and move on
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Oct 18, 2015 19:18
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SwitchbladeKult posted:It did make a bit more sense in NV since it was in the Mojave. The state of the fauna looked at about the right level of recovery. FO1 and FO2 happened in a time frame it would make sense for the biosphere to be completely wrecked. I don't know what the deal with FO3 was. Everything was run down and ruined not because they were still reeling from the bombs. I was because they were frontier people living in refugee camps. Elsewhere it's implied to be pretty different. Zion is alive, the NCR is implied to have its poo poo together. California probably looks like 19th century America, and they've probably got people keeping the streets clean, and new concrete structures without any clutter... we just happen to see the peripheral wasteland that happens to look exactly like Fallout 3. But with way more reason to look that way than DC had. It was a neat trick that honestly worked really well for me. It actually asked the question, "Why would poo poo still look this way two hundred years after the bombs?" and answered it without sacrificing the expected aesthetic. (Military bases and the strip were still a bit more cluttered than you'd expect, but it wasn't too jarring for me, all things considered.)
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Generation Internet posted:They actually seem to have taken this approach with Fo4. I remember listening to one of the talks they gave and they mentioned that different parts of the world have different atmospheres. A lot of it is clean air blue sky and all that jazz, but apparently there's also a ground zero area that's more like Fo3. I'm pretty sure they also said there are radioactive storms that can come and go even in the more 'clean' areas, so yeah I like what they are saying about weather and environment.
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It'll be a little disappointing if there isn't glowy radioactive storms or snow in the ground zero areas.
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I don't think there will be any snow (no glowing green snow like in the Zion diaries anyway) but the Rad Storms are complete with radioactive lightning. I can't find the video where Todd was talking about them but I do distinctly remember him describing them to the interviewer. Apparently if you get caught in one and stand too close to an area that gets struck you get a nice jolt of rads.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:
Yep. I think that's also the intended historical referent that the player is meant to latch on to as well. It's also worth noting that Caesar is perfectly fine with the brutality of the Legion, since he's intimately familiar with the brutality of the Wasteland (he was captured and tortured by tribals), and that guides how ineffectual he sees humanism and democracy as being able to meet that brutality. Therefore, for Caesar, the NCR embodies the worst aspects of the old world, is unable to adequately protect civilization after its inevitable fall, and the lip service it pays towards democracy (even if it is legitimate) is worthless. Caesar's synthesis probably still has a lot of that brutality still in effect, but with slightly more freedoms. Caesar actually reminds me a lot of the dork enlightenment idiots you see all over the Internet, except he's violent enough to actually bring his ideas into the world and not just post uselessly on a RobCo BBS relay or w/e.
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Baron Bifford posted:But Fallout 3 was an open world game, so the absence of farms felt a bit glaring. The farms are on the other side of all those giant concrete trash heaps that block your progress. It keeps them secure from raiders. After harvest season they just huck the food over for folks to gather. I can't believe you never picked up on that.
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Boogaleeboo posted:The farms are on the other side of all those giant concrete trash heaps that block your progress. It keeps them secure from raiders. After harvest season they just huck the food over for folks to gather. I thought people just farmed all of the pre-war food just sitting in vending machines  I don't really remember having a huge problem with the Capital Wasteland until I read The Road.
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Boogaleeboo posted:It keeps them secure from raiders.
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Pwnstar posted:Caesar: Employ your time in improving yourself by other men's writings, so that you shall gain easily what others have labored hard for. Maybe the HATE NEWSPAPERS prompt leads to something like "Sorry, but newspapers are yet another morally bankrupt attack vector used by the liberal elite to needlessly slander the good will and accomplishments of honest, hard-working Americans and job-creators."
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Oct 18, 2015 21:00
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And then the doors of Diamond City are closed to the player forever
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Oct 18, 2015 21:02
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No, John Fallout just shouts HATE NEWSPAPERS at the top of his lungs like the Incredible Hulk. It's the new low INT run, he just shouts whatever words are in the part of the dialog wheel you selected.
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Psychotic Weasel posted:No, John Fallout just shouts HATE NEWSPAPERS at the top of his lungs like the Incredible Hulk. It's the new low INT run, he just shouts whatever words are in the part of dialog wheel you selected. I would unironicly love this.
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Psychotic Weasel posted:No, John Fallout just shouts HATE NEWSPAPERS at the top of his lungs like the Incredible Hulk. It's the new low INT run, he just shouts whatever words are in the part of the dialog wheel you selected. That sounds hilarious.
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Oct 18, 2015 21:07
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Psychotic Weasel posted:No, John Fallout just shouts HATE NEWSPAPERS at the top of his lungs like the Incredible Hulk. It's the new low INT run, he just shouts whatever words are in the part of the dialog wheel you selected. God, I hope this is a mod eventually
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Nasgate posted:I would unironicly love this. Maybe he's some kind of pundit and the renegade option is just always a conservative non-sequitur. "Will you help us, John Fallout?" A - Sure B - No C - I'll help you, if you know what I mean D - Public schools should teach abstinence.
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Psychotic Weasel posted:No, John Fallout just shouts HATE NEWSPAPERS at the top of his lungs like the Incredible Hulk. It's the new low INT run, he just shouts whatever words are in the part of the dialog wheel you selected. day one
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