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Chrysophylax posted:Cannons work only if the ship you're attacking is very large, Asp and above. But to be fair, cannons are poo poo guns by design - they're the low power, low energy variants of the multicannons. High punch, low bullet velocity, easy to miss with. Honestly I think it would help a lot if they made guns reload themselves out of combat from the cargo hold.
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Chrysophylax posted:Cannons work only if the ship you're attacking is very large, Asp and above. But to be fair, cannons are poo poo guns by design - they're the low power, low energy variants of the multicannons. High punch, low bullet velocity, easy to miss with. Right, cannons loving suck as a player because gimbaled isn't perfect, nor is player aim NPCs however don't seem to be restricted and will nail you perfectly VVVV Me: I prefer straight lasers because I can aim *gets a Cobra* Me: Oh god dammit Adult Sword Owner fucked around with this message at 04:27 on Oct 19, 2015 |
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Oct 19, 2015 04:23
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Adult Sword Owner posted:Right, cannons loving suck as a player because gimbaled isn't perfect, nor is player aim It doesn't help that gimbles are required on some ships because of hardpoint placement and convergence issues. Cobra MkIII, I'm looking at you.
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Oct 19, 2015 04:25
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Adult Sword Owner posted:PS loving witchspace is broken again  This afternoon, I flew from the station in Sothis to the outpost, and some space cop smelled space weed and tried to pull me over every 100 Ls for 3/4 of the trip.
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Oct 19, 2015 04:39
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I was starting to think that might be the only time mines would be useful but nah.
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Oct 19, 2015 04:41
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Adult Sword Owner posted:PS loving witchspace is broken again Supposedly playing solo makes it worse, so if you want to do the Sothis Shuffle without having to deal with your fellow man you can make a private group consisting of only yourself and play using that instead.
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Oct 19, 2015 04:45
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Adult Sword Owner posted:PS loving witchspace is broken again If you are playing solo, create a private group and jump in that and enjoy the short jumps. Solo witchspace is where the 5 minute jumps are. e:oops, what 3 said
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I have a Type 6 and a DBS, should I bother with this Sothis stuff at all or am I too space poor? I mean if I can do it viably, it'll be nice to have some bank built up for when the Federal Corvette comes out so I can get it and finally stop being nice to Federal ships and join up with goons maybe.
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Oct 19, 2015 05:01
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I'll try group if it gets bad Because I apparently make horrible decisions 
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Sard posted:I have a Type 6 and a DBS, should I bother with this Sothis stuff at all or am I too space poor? I mean if I can do it viably, it'll be nice to have some bank built up for when the Federal Corvette comes out so I can get it and finally stop being nice to Federal ships and join up with goons maybe. Might get a little frustrating running from your newfound admirers in a tub, though.
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Oct 19, 2015 05:06
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The witchspace thing is 100% because the servers or game can't deal with people having lots of missions at once. No one ever noticed before because no one took lots of missions lolFronzelNeekburm posted:It's all smuggling missions, not normal fetch quests. You can do it. Not true. The smuggling missions pay the most but there are low cargo standard missions that can be worth over a million.
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frank.club posted:Not true. The smuggling missions pay the most but there are low cargo standard missions that can be worth over a million. They are rare and need a high rank in both trading and alliance. Sothis smuggling runs are INCREDIBLE money for the time spent, but require you to spend actual time. Combat and legit/local smuggling runs are not bad money for < 1 hour investment, but if you can sit the ~3 hours to Sothis and back, you make insane money. It's not broken or bad, because trading/smuggling should give better rewards for longer distance. Rather, it's a reflection of how bad straight bountyhunting is, and it makes local trading just look bad. Yes more time investment should get you more but not 10x more.
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My personal opinion is that smuggling should stay the high-dollar revenue stream that it is, but should be much more dangerous. Not annoying like it is now, but actually dangerous. Such as being caught or scanned means you cannot then sell those goods to the destination station, or scanning causing straight up mission failure. And then the guy constantly going "hey..hey..hey...hey...follow me" might not be such a bad alternative if he increased his reward and also paid your bounty for you if you'd been scanned already. The pieces are there for great dynamic smuggling mechanics, but they need to be arranged better. As it is, once you have the high dollar mission, it's very difficult to fail at it. It just gets annoying being interdicted constantly.
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chaosapiant posted:My personal opinion is that smuggling should stay the high-dollar revenue stream that it is, but should be much more dangerous. Not annoying like it is now, but actually dangerous. Such as being caught or scanned means you cannot then sell those goods to the destination station, or scanning causing straight up mission failure. And then the guy constantly going "hey..hey..hey...hey...follow me" might not be such a bad alternative if he increased his reward and also paid your bounty for you if you'd been scanned already. The pieces are there for great dynamic smuggling mechanics, but they need to be arranged better. As it is, once you have the high dollar mission, it's very difficult to fail at it. It just gets annoying being interdicted constantly. Throw those ideas into this thread and mayyyyyyyyybe someone will listen: https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=192105
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Oct 19, 2015 05:58
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20 minutes into Sothis and chill
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I don't mind smuggling being more dangerous but I was bringing some goods into port while silent runningand a scan started on me so I hit chaff and popped a heatsink and the scan still got through. Should that happen?
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Oct 19, 2015 06:12
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Shine posted:Throw those ideas into this thread and mayyyyyyyyybe someone will listen: https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=192105 Done. And while not mentioned in the thread, I think we have the same idea regarding smuggling becoming the ultimate in high stakes game play. The poo poo should be tense in the same way that high stakes gambling is.
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Oct 19, 2015 06:15
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Rasmussen posted:I don't mind smuggling being more dangerous but I was bringing some goods into port while silent runningand a scan started on me so I hit chaff and popped a heatsink and the scan still got through. Should that happen? Yes. There is no 100 percent way to avoid scanning. Afaik, getting into the mail slot before the scan is complete is the only way really, and the rest just mitigates the risk.
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Oct 19, 2015 06:16
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chaosapiant posted:Yes. There is no 100 percent way to avoid scanning. Afaik, getting into the mail slot before the scan is complete is the only way really, and the rest just mitigates the risk. If they changed it so you lose your cargo or worse your ship, if you get scanned then they will have to change that. However a 60k fine in a system I barely pass through on an 8m mission doesn't really worry me.
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Oct 19, 2015 06:21
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Changing smuggling would require big changes to fines and penalties overall As far as I can tell fines don't affect your game at all. I guess in Open players can BH you? Given that solo play is a thing that's not a threat at all to be honest.
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Oct 19, 2015 06:29
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Fines become bounties when they expire so the cops might give some grief but that'd be it.
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They should start firing on you depending on how bad the infraction is. Or eachh time you're caught smuggling your insurance premiums go up 
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They need to make it so that fines/bounties go major faction-wide once the week is up and tie bounties/fines to the ships themselves. Then they need to put in ways to be a criminal without automatically getting a fine fpr certain actions; signal jammers, shielded cargo holds, etc. But the fact that players just CAN'T get faction-wide bounties as the game stands right now is mystifying to me.
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Vesuvit is probably more $$$ per hour, fyi. Once you have all the factions allied, you end up getting through the tedious mission farming part something like five times faster and can fly back on a single asp's tank for the mission dump phase.
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Doo do dooo... You guys are all doing boring Sothis runs. I'm sitting over here getting my Empire ranking up to buy shiny iClipper. Which is in turn going to build me up from a measely 4million to hopefully around 24 million to do stuff with it.
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I did one Sothis run in a lovely Diamondback Explorer with FSD C. Spent five minutes looking for missions and left, flew back and bought a pretty sweet Asp. I thought the last ship had a nice cockpit, but the Asp is glorious. I would rate my Sothis Experience as positive and relatively brief.
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Hey there, sorry if this has been asked already, but in regards to the Emperor's Dawn insurgency CG (couldn't they pick something a little less pro-Empire sounding?), are there any limitations when it comes to picking a side? Like, could I start all six CGs, get into the top 100% in all of them, then just focus on one of the anti-Empire ones (as I've been doing thus far)? Or will the other side's CGs be locked once I sign up for the opposing force's? Thanks
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So I bought a Viper the other day, kitted it out with Medium Lasers and Small Multicannons and it seems ok, I got it annihilated a couple of times for reasons I couldn't quite determine but settled into it a bit more. I took a smuggling mission to Serret and picked up a mission to steal some tea. But I just could not find it, I killed ~200K space bucks worth of space pirates but still no tea! Is there some secret to finding the signal source which your mission is at? I would fly around for a bit and suddenly 3 or 4 signals would appear at the same time so I'd pick one at random and go there, but to no avail. Still I picked up another smuggling mission for ~350K space bucks so got over a million in my bank just now. I'm currently a space hobo going where ever the smuggling missions take me but I might try setting up a base somewhere or another, get a couple more different ships.
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Aramoro posted:picked up a mission to steal some tea. That's a pirating mission. You'll need to equip an interdictor and cargo scanner (and maybe hatch breaker and collector limpets), and go around interdicting traders, scanning them, and breaking their cargo hatch open. Pirating missions are really tedious and don't pay well enough, so I'd suggest avoiding them.
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Rectus posted:That's a pirating mission. You'll need to equip an interdictor and cargo scanner (and maybe hatch breaker and collector limpets), and go around interdicting traders, scanning them, and breaking their cargo hatch open. Pirating missions are really tedious and don't pay well enough, so I'd suggest avoiding them. Ahh that makes sense, I picked up loads of stolen Cargo at signal sources so I assumed when it wanted stolen Tea that's where I would get it.
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Was puzzled by all this Sothis chat so I decided to go over there and check it out. Ok 3-4 mill per run is nice but it's 420+ ly for each one. It actually works out less than the current smuggling I'm doing in a system I've found that gives 1-1.7 mil per run for 90 LY. There's quite a few systems handing out these smuggling missions apart from Sothis. Also don't really worry about being scanned the couple of times I've been scanned it's cost me 40k fine on a trip that netted me 1 mill.. chump change,. Siggers fucked around with this message at 10:31 on Oct 19, 2015 |
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If you're only picking up one mission at a time, you're doing it wrong. Fill up an Asp with a dozen or so missions and you're potentially looking at a 50m+ payday once you drop them all off.
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Siggers posted:Was puzzled by all this Sothis chat so I decided to go over there and check it out. Ok 3-4 mill per run is nice but it's 420+ ly for each one. It actually works out less than the current smuggling I'm doing in a system I've found that gives 1-1.7 mil per run for 90 LY. There's quite a few systems handing out these smuggling missions apart from Sothis. No, you pick up MULTIPLE of those runs. You can make like 20 million in a single run in a cobra.
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A lot of smuggling jobs are unavailable to me because I have 'Unfriendly' rep with the Federation. If I could get jobs from Sirius or the Communist faction that would be good but I feel like all the best ones are with Fed Unite. So what station is best to run out of around Sothis/Ceos in my case?.
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Yes I know but I pick up multiple runs on the other one so I make 5-6 mil on a 180 LY round trip instead of 20 mill on a 960LY round, it's pretty similar but where I do it I don't need to be out 500LY from the bubble. I'm 70 LY out from the bubble. Either way I'm in Sothis so may as well take a few deliveries on my way back.. cough cough. Comes to something though when you are totally ignoring the "rare" in station because it's not worth it to carry :-) Siggers fucked around with this message at 10:54 on Oct 19, 2015 |
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Oct 19, 2015 10:51
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Chrysophylax posted:Cannons work only if the ship you're attacking is very large, Asp and above. But to be fair, cannons are poo poo guns by design - they're the low power, low energy variants of the multicannons. High punch, low bullet velocity, easy to miss with.  SynthOrange posted:I'd enjoy combat more if there were more than 1 type of viable gun.
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Siggers posted:Comes to something though when you are totally ignoring the "rare" in station because it's not worth it to carry :-)
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So I've just discovered doing Smuggling Missions does not count as smuggling on your stats, where do you get the things to smuggle though? I've only been able to find illegal cargo's floating in space so far and that doesn't seem to be right.
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Oct 19, 2015 11:13
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Smuggling delivery missions put the necessary cargo for the mission directly into your hold.
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Aramoro posted:So I've just discovered doing Smuggling Missions does not count as smuggling on your stats, where do you get the things to smuggle though? I've only been able to find illegal cargo's floating in space so far and that doesn't seem to be right. I think only goods sold on the black markets counts towards the smuggling stats.
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