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THE MACHO MAN posted:Cobb is just outside of the top 12 and that's with a bum shoulder. Unless you're getting one hell of a return, like Hopkins + a good rb, don't do that. He has a role in that offense that isn't redundant. You'd basically be selling your high draft picks for low during a cold streak, for a hot player that really represents a marginal upgrade. Cobb is still a #1 WR in every sense of the word. Not sure if im misunderstanding you but I would trade Cobb for Hopkins straight up without thinking twice. They wouldnt need to throw in "a good rb".
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TommyGun85 posted:Not sure if im misunderstanding you but I would trade Cobb for Hopkins straight up without thinking twice. They wouldnt need to throw in "a good rb". He was talking about packaging Cobb + Lacy.
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Oct 19, 2015 16:52
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VietCampo posted:He was talking about packaging Cobb + Lacy.
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THE MACHO MAN posted:
It's a nonPPR league and I have McFadden , Bradshaw and Hankerson on about the same level, all of them I guess are more droppable than Gordon. I'm just frustrated by his mediocrity. Who would you rather drop?
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Oct 19, 2015 16:59
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T Bowl posted:I traded Melvin for DeMarco and people told me not to in this very forum Think the jury is still out on this being a slam dunk trade. I put up 140 points this week and the guy I'm facing basically matched my teams production with 4 people. 4 touchdowns for Stafford, 100 yards and a td for Marshall, 200 yards and a td for Ivory and two touchdowns for Barnidge. I was glad to see Megatron finally have a good game for me but it came at the price of Stafford basically tripling his season high production the week I happened to face him.
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Oct 19, 2015 17:09
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ZIGfried posted:Think the jury is still out on this being a slam dunk trade. It is but DeMarco is clearly the better player who looks more valuable going forward... by how much it's not obvious yet.
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Oct 19, 2015 17:12
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Freezer posted:It's a nonPPR league and I have McFadden , Bradshaw and Hankerson on about the same level, all of them I guess are more droppable than Gordon. I'm just frustrated by his mediocrity. Who would you rather drop? This was the first time Gordon had under 12 carries in a game, and let's not forget he had 7 catches on top of it the week before. I thought he was starting to look a little better, but I also think he's on a very short leash, and the line and playcalling hurts him a bit. McFadden has a nice floor even in a non-ppr due to the amount of time he'll see in runs and def if they go behind. Hankerson is totally blah to me, week to week him and White are going to switch off. Bradshaw at best barring a Gore injury is going to be like McFadden or Woodhead. But those two have proven what their role is. Bradshaw hasn't He had a grand total of 5 touches to Gore's 15 last night, and Gore was getting 6 YPC. Gore's always been a total package back, so I am not sure why people thought Bradshaw would be much more than a handcuff/COP back. I'd drop him way before Gordon. dy. posted:I would trade Cobb and Lacy for just Hopkins so fast it would break my computer. Why, unless you are crazy deep? Lacy has never had less than 1100 yds rushing or 1400 total yards. Cobb had nearly 1300 yds last year, has trended upwards for the last 3 years for YPG and targets, and lost the biggest threat to his targets. Both dudes are young so it's not like they're at their age cliff. They're both getting about half of the yards per game they normally get. What makes you think that is the new normal vs a cold streak? Hopkins is currently on pace for 1900+ yards with his qb being a rotating cast of poo poo. I think we can all agree this is not sustainable. All three of those guys are way due to play closer to their averages. Hopkins will finish in the top 5 baring injury because of his bonkers first six games but finishing north of 100ypg is really rare, much less 120ypg. When Hopkins inevitably comes back to earth, and Cobb and Lacy inevitably play better, it's not even close to a fair value. Don't focus on what they've done. Focus on what they'll do for the rest of the season.
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I feel like it's a crime to cut Peyton Manning since he's the best QB of all time but I want to cut Peyton Manning so god damned bad. At the beginning of the season my friend asked if we could change the scoring to -6 for pick sixes and I said sure because who the gently caress cares right? How the gently caress does Peyton throw a pick six every god damned week?
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Oct 19, 2015 17:19
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I'm averaging 195 points per week. This team is ridiculous and I've never had one quite this juicy
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Doltos posted:I feel like it's a crime to cut Peyton Manning since he's the best QB of all time but I want to cut Peyton Manning so god damned bad. Peyton Manning is undroppable and is now a cancer to my team that I can't get rid of.
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Oct 19, 2015 17:28
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Gobias Ind. posted:I'm dropping Peyton this week. Same. Platooning Cutty and FLOLacco ROS and might just end up WW streaming.
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Oct 19, 2015 17:38
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THE MACHO MAN posted:Why, unless you are crazy deep? Cobb will improve but the "new normal" in Green Bay with Jordy out could also easily be Aaron Rodgers spreading the ball more between him, Jones, and Adams. Just because it was a Cobbfest last year during the games that Jordy was out doesn't mean that it will be this year. Hopkins will of course come back to earth but he is on a team with a surprisingly bad defense, whose offensive gameplan when trailing seems to be to feed him the ball as much as possible, and he has the talent to generate a shitload of points from that. That trade is of course a judgment call but one that I would make in favor of Hopkins right now. He is on a much worse offense but is getting much more opportunity.
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THE MACHO MAN posted:
Nelson being out of the picture doesn't mean Cobb or Lacy are better off. Cobb is pretty much exactly where he was last year on targets, and catches. The difference for both is the middle of the field isn't left wide open, and drives aren't held together by Jordy. The factor you are forgetting that isn't sustainable is Cobbs TD rate from last year. He has had the big 3 TD game, but only one other good showing so far. Cobb is fine though, and is a good WR2. Hopkins>>>Cobb Im not too sure what to think about Lacy. He is hurt right now so that is playing into it. Other than that I dont see too much that blows my mind. He gets what is given. Which is less now that Jordy is gone. I've never been super impressed with him, though. He is above average in the NFL, but never on the level other top RBs are, that can carry a team on their backs. Starks is a legit threat, and is playing much better right now.(as he has in flashes) I don't think either player is bad, they are just playing bad right now. Hopkins is elite, and will finish in the top 5. It isn't like the Texans will suddenly get good, and stop playing from behind every game. I for one do not agree that it isn't somewhat sustainable. Houston is a poo poo show, and he is their shining light. Let's stop with the talk about the QB situation being a problem for him. Both have proven they can get him the ball, and their terrible TD to pick ratio actually helps Hopkins get more targets. Plus it looks like it is Hoyer's job to lose, and lets not forget who helped Josh Gordon be the #1 WR. You mention recency bias, but you are falling for your own bias remembering what they were. Hopkins has been building to this year, while Cobb and Lacy got crippled by Jordy's injury. Hopkins isn't going anywhere, while Lacy and Cobb have to greatly improve to reach their potential.
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Spoeank posted:Don't draft CJA don't waste your FAAB on Charcandrick West don't draft Mike Evans time to get my @fantasywetblanket brand on Thought this was a real Twitter. Guess you will be keeping your news exclusive to us goons!
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Oct 19, 2015 17:56
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.5ppr: I give up: Martellus Bennett Willie Snead I get: Greg Olsen. I noticed in his trade proposal he'd drop Tevin Coleman. Is the trade a mash as is, or should I counter for Tevin Coleman?
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Oct 19, 2015 18:01
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MacheteZombie posted:.5ppr: If Coleman is more useful than whomever you would add off waivers, sure. But it's a fine trade as-is.
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Oct 19, 2015 18:05
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ESPN 0.5 PPR, 1 QB 2 RB 2 WR 1 TE 1 Flex, 10 teams QB: Dalton, Mariota (dropping on Weds) RB: Bell, Foster, Forsett, L. Murray, Abdullah WR: ODB, Sanders, Fitzgerald, J Matthews, Moncrief TE: D. Walker, J. Thomas K: McManus DEF: Streaming (currently Washington) Any thoughts on where I can try to improve? Nervous about my top receivers sustaining their pace over the rest of the year considering age for Fitz and the Peyton factor for Sanders (never thought I'd say that haha).
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Oct 19, 2015 18:10
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RIP Zenner
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dy. posted:The "never had" stat is a bit misleading considering Lacy only has two prior seasons under his belt. Small sample size. Lacy does not look like the same guy and the Packers seem to have realized it. It could very well be the lingering effects of his injury but that doesn't mean he will suddenly get over it and start producing. If there was a game where he was going to put up numbers, it would have been this week. That's a fair enough critique about sample size to a degree, but I don't see how you can make that argument while at the same time saying that a six game sample of this year is indictive of the real Lacy. Even if you assume the Pack guys will at worst stay where they are now, that's still a fringe WR1 and a rb2/flex for a guy that will absolutely come down to earth. I don't disagree that Hopkins is far and away the play to have now out of those three guys. It's about value. Uness you got crazy depth, you're getting rid of two legit starters for what amounts to maybe 30 pts upgrade at wr over the course of the season? Honore_De_Balzac posted:Nelson being out of the picture doesn't mean Cobb or Lacy are better off. Cobb is pretty much exactly where he was last year on targets, and catches. The difference for both is the middle of the field isn't left wide open, and drives aren't held together by Jordy. The factor you are forgetting that isn't sustainable is Cobbs TD rate from last year. He has had the big 3 TD game, but only one other good showing so far. Cobb is fine though, and is a good WR2. Hopkins>>>Cobb yeah again, not disagreeing that I'd want Hokins over Cobb this year. This is an issue of what you'd give up to get that in this situation. Cobb's still a fringe WR1, even with his TD rate normalizing. Lacy is still no worse than a RB2, and it's pretty clear his issues are more to health than anything. Also while Hopkins is desireable, keeping that level of production would be extremely unlikely. If he maintained, that is the 5th most YPG of all time. Even if he dropped to earth at 100 or so, he'd be inside the top 40 yet. The only way the original Lacy/Cobb owner would win in that trade is if they had crazy RB depth to offset the loss
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Zypher posted:RIP Zenner All aboard the Theo Riddick train!
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Oct 19, 2015 18:53
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Franks Happy Place posted:All aboard the Theo Riddick train! Who's a better pickup, Riddick or James Starks? Starks is in the better offense, but he theoretically has better competition, too. He at least has fatter competition. BigFactory fucked around with this message at 19:00 on Oct 19, 2015 |
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BigFactory posted:Who's a better pickup, Riddick or James Starks? Starks is in the better offense, but he theoretically has better competition, too. He at least has fatter competition. Probably Riddick because Abdullah is a fumble machine and Bell sucks
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LmaoTheKid posted:Probably Riddick because Abdullah is a fumble machine and Bell sucks Yeah, Riddick is healthier than Bell and more trusted by coaches than Abdullah. Plus he stays involved even when Detroit is behind they are always behind On the other hand, Starks is probably only getting this many snaps because Lacy's ankle is still bunged up. I wouldn't want to bet on Starks continuing to see those snaps after their bye this week.
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Dynasty keeper $300 salary cap league. 12 man, 1 PPR. Big bonus league for 100+ yards. My running backs are abysmal. My best back is Jeremy Hill. Would you trade Kelvin Benjamin -- $15 for Lamar Miller -- $9 Note, I also have Jordan Matthews for $2, Allen Robinson for $5, Larry Fitzgerald for $32, Stevie Johnson for $1. Plus a couple of young lottery picks on my bench. Benjamin could be the best receiver of that bunch, but getting running backs going forward is crazy expensive. And there is no guarantee that the Dolphins don't go back to just not running. As it is, I'm borderline making it to the playoffs this year, because of my running back depth.
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Probably gonna drop Peyton for Riddick even though I'm flush with RBs. Hell, I might drop Hill at some point in the next few weeks.
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Zypher posted:RIP Zenner Nice, I just picked him up in my dynasty league and now I can stash him. 
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LmaoTheKid posted:Probably gonna drop Peyton for Riddick even though I'm flush with RBs. Hill was well-involved against a team that is good vs. the run, right after the coaches said they still consider him their #1 RB and want to keep him involved. I think his best is yet to come this season.
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That's fair but I'm going to hold Miller, Lewis, and Gurley over him if I get in a bye crunch. I hate him right now.
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THE MACHO MAN posted:That's a fair enough critique about sample size to a degree, but I don't see how you can make that argument while at the same time saying that a six game sample of this year is indictive of the real Lacy. Even if you assume the Pack guys will at worst stay where they are now, that's still a fringe WR1 and a rb2/flex for a guy that will absolutely come down to earth. I don't disagree with you that value wise it could be a lose, but again I don't see them bouncing back to the level you want with the absence of Jordy. More than anything I believe that is what is holding them back. If that deal had a usable RB on the hopkins side that will get 5-10 pts a week, then it would be an easy accept for me.
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Drop Bradshaw, Spiller of Morris?! to pick up a 2nd D because I am not letting Denver go unless I have 1st WW pick, currently at 4th and don't plan on making any claims. Or Knile Davis, but West not doing good cracks the door open a little more.
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Michael Corleone posted:Drop Bradshaw, Spiller of Morris?! to pick up a 2nd D because I am not letting Denver go unless I have 1st WW pick, currently at 4th and don't plan on making any claims. Or Knile Davis, but West not doing good cracks the door open a little more. All three of those assholes are droppable for sure. If I had to rank in terms of who to keep I'd probably go Morris > Spiller > Bradshaw, but don't lose sleep over any of those dudes.
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Franks Happy Place posted:All three of those assholes are droppable for sure. If I had to rank in terms of who to keep I'd probably go Morris > Spiller > Bradshaw, but don't lose sleep over any of those dudes. Ya maybe Morris, because he has a week 8 bye, it is PPR so I like Bradshaw the most as a desperation play, Spiller is sharing with 2 dudes, he is only behind Gore, but yeah they all suck.
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10 Team 0.5 PPR, 3WR Family League Me (6-0): QB: Dalton, Tyrod Taylor RB: Gore, Denard Robinson, Latavius Murray, Todd Gurley, Antonio Andrews, Christine Michael WR: Julio Jones, DeAndre Hopkins, Allen Robinson, Leonard Hankerson, Dez Bryant TE: Travis Kelce Him (0-6 unless OBJ scores 47 points): QB: Brady, Eli Manning RB: Stewart, Blount, Morris, Spiller WR: Antonio Brown, OBJ, Brandin Cooks, Jamison Crowder, Roddy White TE: Clay, Witten You think if I offered Allen Robinson and Frank Gore for Antonio Brown he would take it? Should I?
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Beer4TheBeerGod posted:10 Team 0.5 PPR, 3WR Family League The only thing that might work against you is that Robinson just got hurt. It really depends on how down they are on Brown. I think Brown is a really interesting player to target going forward. His value should shoot back up once Big Ben gets back. I was actually thinking of offering Hillman and Robinson to someone in my 10 man 1 PPR league. The only reason I hesitate is that I am destroying the league at the moment and am scared of messing with a good thing.
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Beer4TheBeerGod posted:10 Team 0.5 PPR, 3WR Family League Leaves you pretty weak at RB, Murray already had his bye, don't know about Gurley, but if someone gets hurt you would be in trouble, I would stand pat, unless it was a keeper league, then keep offering more until he accepts, but in that case he would be a fool to trade Brown.
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Michael Corleone posted:Ya maybe Morris, because he has a week 8 bye, it is PPR so I like Bradshaw the most as a desperation play, Spiller is sharing with 2 dudes, he is only behind Gore, but yeah they all suck. Drop Bradshaw. Morris is still the starter and the coaches love Spiller. Gore started playing more passing downs and they still played Tipton.
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Sataere posted:The only thing that might work against you is that Robinson just got hurt. It really depends on how down they are on Brown. I think Brown is a really interesting player to target going forward. His value should shoot back up once Big Ben gets back. Robinson's x-rays came back negative and expectations are for him to play on Sunday. Michael Corleone posted:Leaves you pretty weak at RB, Murray already had his bye, don't know about Gurley, but if someone gets hurt you would be in trouble, I would stand pat, unless it was a keeper league, then keep offering more until he accepts, but in that case he would be a fool to trade Brown. Murray and Gurley both had their byes this week. It's not a keeper league. If Dez comes back soon and Michael pans out then I figure I could be absolutely stacked and RB and WR. Frankly as immortal as Gore seems the season has traditionally not been good on older players, and I would be worried about him breaking down more than I would be worried about one of my other players getting hurt.
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I'm in a similar situation in that I'm 6-0 and want to buy low on Antonio Brown but am worried about messing with my team too much, considering it's what got me to this record in the first place. If I have Foster, Ivory, L Murray, Christine Michael and Bradshaw at RB, and Julio, Demaryius, Allen Robinson and John Brown at WR, what would be a reasonable offer that's worth making? I'm thinking Thomas and Murray.
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SeannieDarko posted:Drop Bradshaw. Morris is still the starter and the coaches love Spiller. Gore started playing more passing downs and they still played Tipton. Alright, thanks! I will drop him on Saturday so I can get him back the week after if I want to.
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