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Countblanc posted:Isaac and Johnny will form a splinter group based around Badass Justice Spirits and the importance of friendship I couldn't figure out how Isaac and Johnny would ever team up but maybe their spirits will know each other or otherwise be natural allies. Although Forge seems to have a bit of a dark past and is on a redemptive streak so that might not mesh well with Storm God's smite evil approach.
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I love how people here keep going on about how the broken god has to be either double possession or Scrap dragon, and continually seem to ignore the, at this point much likelier, possibility that it's actually neither. All the arguments for double possession seem to hinge upon the whole double talk sequence with the Doorman. However, there isn't an iota of evidence to support the idea that spirits are capable of taking over their owners at whim, and the arguments for it all seem to rely on "teapot behind mars" bullshit. In fact, there's actually a whole lot of evidence against spirits being able to take over their owners: (*) Whatever took over Max doesn't seem to obey any of the rules that we've seen applied to spirit communication so far. Max was very clearly not aware of the period of time he was possessed, nor did he have any input into the whole process. Even though it does seem like the Spirits have most of the control over communication, the medium or tool user does seem to have some kind of influence over it; there have been a number of times where they haven't needed to ask to get pulled in. There is also the fact that we have repeatedly seen no evidence of a second spirit in Max; even if he was just hiding, his presence would have heavily altered the surrounding landscape. The scrapworld that the dragon spirit inhabits, however, seems to be entirely of it's own. (*) When Max was possessed, the entity controlling him showed that he could clearly control his actions. From what we've seen of him so far, Issac's spirit doesn't seem too keen on Spender, or hell, Issac himself, in general. So what the hell is stopping Thunder God from just taking full control of Issac and blasting the ever loving poo poo out of Spender? Hell, what's stopping him from just taking direct control of Issac and turning him into his meat slave to fight spirit crime? While the Broken God may be benefiting from subtlety by giving Max some control, I doubt this T-God fellow even has the word in his vocabulary. (*) If Spirits are capable of influencing their owner's actions or behaviors, why do tools or mediums even exist? At, like, all? Sure, you might get a couple spirits who morally object, but by and large it just seems way better for any spirit down on their luck to possess some unwitting bystander and turn them into their meaty body slave. Obviously, the matter isn't so clear cut since it isn't some kind of obliquely obvious choice for every spirit ever. (*) A couple of the previous points rely on the idea that a spirit can take full control of their medium without any consequence or limit. Even if this wasn't the case though, it's clear that many mediums don't exactly always have a pearly clean relationship with their medium (Note: Super Racist Frog Whale actually considered possessing Max's Dad, but decided against it because Max's dad. And, as mentioned before, Scrapdragon doesn't seem to have an issue with causally attempting to murder Max.). The ability to take control over their bodily functions for even just a few moments can still prove to be a massive liability, especially if the situation is very delicate. The big question this ends up generating in the end is why does the Consortium, a massive organization involving a very large number of spectrals, employ Mediums so readily? It's pretty clear from the entire segment in the consortium base that they have a bunch of them running about, going by how many of their members have been physically altered in some way. So, in light of this, why the heck does the Consortium even touch mediums with a ten foot pole? They just seem like a liability all things considered, and I wouldn't exactly say that Boss Leader is the sentimental type, if you catch my drift. But ultimately, I think the biggest red flag to the theory that Max's possession is an entirely different matter from normal possession is: (*) The main villain of the current arc's entire loving gimmick is that he is capable of taking control of people in a way that doesn't involve possessing them. All of the above, plus how it's definitely proven that for spirits there's more than one way to skin a cat in the whole takeover / hide in someone department, makes me really doubt that the Broken God really falls under anything we know about spirits so far. Of course, this means that we're back to square 1 on the guy, but square 1 is a lot better than square -1. Edit: Oh dear god I posted this without worrying too much about it and I have only just now realized how amazingly long this was for a simple bit on a webcomic plot. What am I doing with my life. VerdantSquire fucked around with this message at 08:06 on Oct 15, 2015 |
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Oct 15, 2015 08:03
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VerdantSquire posted:I love how I don't think you really love any of that
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Oct 15, 2015 09:56
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:There seems to be some correspondence beyond colour.. When Max wonders about how spirits "conveniently" possess right types of tools, he shuts up like he realised something. This seems like a minor point at first, but in the same chapter it's established that the tool he just happens to find has scrap-powers, and way later that his mother was a junk artist. Spirits obviously choose to jump into an object that suits them and their powers, or failing that into something they can modify to suit their powers. Magnet bat isn't as thematic as a paint spirit in a paintbrush or a paper spirit in a book. There's 3 possibilities as to why. 1) Magnetsnake is too weak to modify the bat into something more fitting. 2) Magnetsnake has recovered enough to do it, but being a grudge means it doesn't have the brains to do it right now. 3) A bat is exactly what it wants to be in. The bat seems kinda weak compared to the paintbrush and the book, so here's my theory: Magnetsnake will reshape it into something more fitting that lets Max make better use of the powers it has. I'm hoping it turns into a railgun.
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Oct 15, 2015 11:14
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hmm, a lot of words, but a fundamental misunderstanding of anime ....... anyway the only thing we know about max's doublespeak friend is that max is "unaware that he carries one of the s-" (spirits ?? schemers ?? doorman called it a schemer before). does this mean he's possessed ?? haha who knows. maybe. on the circumstantial evidence side we know that it gave max glowy eyes associated with spirit power heightened perception. but i don't think scrapdragon is the doublespeaker. though if he is possessed, why didn't boss leader find that out when she visited his dream ?? Slime posted:Magnetsnake will reshape it into something more fitting that lets Max make better use of the powers it has. I'm hoping it turns into a railgun. if it turns into anything it'll probably be like a dipole bo staff or something. or hopefully just a bat with red/blue ends. i like the bat also if anyone else is jonesing for a paranatural book, zack said on twitter that he needs to redraw high-res versions of the first ~30 pages before that will happen. no eta.
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Dolash posted:I couldn't figure out how Isaac and Johnny would ever team up but maybe their spirits will know each other or otherwise be natural allies. Although Forge seems to have a bit of a dark past and is on a redemptive streak so that might not mesh well with Storm God's smite evil approach. The tripe is called a heel-face-turn when the antagonist joins the hero's team. So Max wishing up and joining forces with Johnny is consistent
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Cubone posted:I don't think you really love any of that
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Realtalk, if you're going to put in the effort to make a long post, keep in mind that people are less likely to read it if it starts off condescending.VerdantSquire posted:What am I doing with my life. Only you can answer that.
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Oct 15, 2015 16:38
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I appreciated the post and find his argument convincing.
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Oct 15, 2015 17:20
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Going to be funny when it was PJ poo poo-talking Doorman all along.
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Oct 15, 2015 17:28
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oddium posted:though if he is possessed, why didn't boss leader find that out when she visited his dream ?? http://www.paranatural.net/comic/chapter-4-page-120
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T.G. Xarbala posted:Only you can answer that. oddium posted:anyway the only thing we know about max's doublespeak friend is that max is "unaware that he carries one of the s-" (spirits ?? schemers ?? doorman called it a schemer before). does this mean he's possessed ?? haha who knows. maybe. on the circumstantial evidence side we know that it gave max glowy eyes associated with spirit power heightened perception. but i don't think scrapdragon is the doublespeaker. though if he is possessed, why didn't boss leader find that out when she visited his dream ??
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Lots of words begin with s. For "one fragment of a broken god", we can have splinter, shard, slice, or pretty much any compound name beginning by something like "soul" or "spirit". In the numerical domain, besides six or seven, it could be second. Then it can be a faction name, and then you can get pretty much anything fancy you want. "I sensed that he, too, was unaware that he carries one of the Second Sentinels of the Soulshard Sworn Soldiers of the Sword of Serendipitous Spiritual Soliloquy!"
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Cat Mattress posted:Lots of words begin with s. Cool. I've been wanting see one of Isaac's off-screen anime adventures for a while. Nice to know one of the magic macguffins is residing in Max right now.
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Cat Mattress posted:Lots of words begin with s.
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Cat Mattress posted:Lots of words begin with s. The serpent, welcome to literal angel vs satan fight in Paranatural.
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RareAcumen posted:aaaaa oh god words Oh gently caress no, words! On a text based website! What is this evil?! e: Oh yeah, I'm guessing that it's Forge talking, mostly because whoever's talking is cutting off Johnny's sentence. Forge being weak could account for the word bubble shape thing. Then again Forge might be too weak yet to even talk to Johnny. Akett fucked around with this message at 11:45 on Oct 16, 2015 |
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Cat Mattress posted:Becoming spectral is a gradual thing and there's some sort of threshold in effect, rather than a binary switch. Johnny was able to get back to Mayview despite Forge having started possessing him. So the trigger to Max becoming spectral can have happened before he entered the Mayview barrier. We have no knowledge about the precise details, so this is pretty much stuff that happens at the speed of plot. Being possessed doesn't make someone a spectral, it just makes them a tool. It can *trigger* becoming a spectral but they are different processes. What I'm saying is that someone needs to start wielding Johnny ASAP.
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Oct 16, 2015 16:33
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Turns out, Cody does know that something is up with Jeff.
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Oct 16, 2015 18:20
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I feel like we've gone full Hunter x Hunter at this point. Complete with this game taking forever.
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Oct 16, 2015 18:24
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The vice principal has tissues in her nose which gives a very weird effect to the eyes of the Normal Kid
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Regy Rusty posted:The vice principal has tissues in her nose which gives a very weird effect to the eyes of the Normal Kid I think you'll find that most "hip-to-the-today" youths jab tissues into their eye sockets. It is the style today is it not, my fellow childrens?
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Oct 16, 2015 18:27
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I bet this ends abruptly next week and then we cut back to anime kid.
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You're gonna have to be more specific. But yeah, we're at a point where there's a lot of buildup and tension yet no momentum. There's a perfect "end this now, maximum anticlimax" button in the school bell ringing and there's almost no better time to press it than now, when it isn't interrupting an ongoing action.
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jeff is going to catch the yugioh switch ball and the shockodiles will come back and hitball will emerge from a can after 10,000 years on the moon and conquer earth
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Unfortunately there's not enough room left in the chapter, so the Hitball showdown will be pushed to chapter 6
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My theory is they're going to try and get Isabel on their team. That or Collin is gonna save the day somehow.
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Isabel's out.
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Mystic Mongol posted:Isabel's out. Oh, right.
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Just remember... don't discount Ball Golem
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http://www.paranatural.net/comic/chapter-5-page-71/ Max acting like the protag is awesome. ( I know that sounds weird, but he does feel like a background character from time to time) Dimitri's expressions are priceless. As if we need any more evidence that Dimitri used to be part of the club.
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Oct 20, 2015 14:01
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That Dimitri panel is amazing
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Oct 20, 2015 14:24
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dimitri you cant have a chess piece thread the needle between the pawn line and backguard what idiot taught you chess
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Oct 20, 2015 14:30
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Never expected to see Sun Tzi in this comic but here are. Also another delay coming up.
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Oct 20, 2015 14:44
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Dude, in chess you do whatever it takes to win. Someone help me out here. What could Max possibly accomplish by using the switch? Whether either opponent catches it, he hits HiJeff (unlikely), or he hits the ball golem (also unlikely?) the outcome doesn't seem worth the risk.
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So, can I get something off my chest? Ever since this scene started, I've been steadily losing interest in Paranatural. I think it comes down to three things: -I have absolutely no idea what's going on anymore. Every single plan that these kids come up with is more convoluted than the last, and it feels like Zack is trying to cram way too many characters into one scene. -Paranatural has always been anime-inspired, but the last half of chapter four onwards is straight-up shounen. I know this is subjective, but I'm not a fan of shounen. -I read this comic mostly for the humor; I still think Chapter 3 is one of the funniest things I've ever read. Right now, with the exception of that one page of Johnny's bullying, this whole chapter has been nothing but action. Which is frustrating to me, because the fight scenes in the first two chapters have an awesome mix of jokes and action. Anyway that's my rant. Thank you for reading
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Fecha posted:Dude, in chess you do whatever it takes to win.
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