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lol so apple music is down to 6 mil from 11 mil when the free subscription ended. just lol.
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cremnob owns keep on cremnobbin
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Oct 20, 2015 15:35
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fits my needs posted:lol so apple music is down to 6 mil from 11 mil when the free subscription ended. just lol. hahah yeah 6 million paying subscribiers on a brandn new service thatas awful! a whole third of spotifys customer babse in 3 months, what a flop!!
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Oct 20, 2015 15:38
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I need more ringtones for my phone
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Oct 20, 2015 15:43
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Stux posted:hahah yeah 6 million paying subscribiers on a brandn new service thatas awful! a whole third of spotifys customer babse in 3 months, what a flop!! given that the trend is downward and shows no sign of increasing yeah, it's most definitely a flop tim is too busy starfucking to care whether or not apple creates products and services that are of any quality, and apple music is the best proof of this
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Oct 20, 2015 15:45
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Stymie posted:given that the trend is downward and shows no sign of increasing yeah, it's most definitely a flop what rtend? subscriber numbers? they're goping up. overall accounts arent as free trials run out, but payingi customer caccounts are going up. im sorryr u cant understand the beauty of apple music.
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Oct 20, 2015 15:46
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apple music like most bundled apple products and services is good enough for the average nonsperg, which is why it will win
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Oct 20, 2015 15:48
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Stux posted:what rtend? subscriber numbers? they're goping up. overall accounts arent as free trials run out, but payingi customer caccounts are going up. im sorryr u cant understand the beauty of apple music. i'm glad you agree that accounts are going down, which is the only metric that is relevant there is no sensible way to consider a service that has a 50% decline in subscribers as anything other than a flop
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Oct 20, 2015 15:51
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Stymie posted:i'm glad you agree that accounts are going down, which is the only metric that is relevant unless u take into account a 3 month free us eperiod extended to all users which has recently expired.
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Oct 20, 2015 15:52
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fits my needs posted:lol so apple music is down to 6 mil from 11 mil when the free subscription ended. just lol. nice job willfully ignoring that there are still another 8 million customers on the free trial i guess
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Oct 20, 2015 15:54
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Stux posted:unless u take into account a 3 month free us eperiod extended to all users which has recently expired. lol you're arguing with stymie, idiot.
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Oct 20, 2015 15:54
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Stux posted:unless u take into account a 3 month free us eperiod extended to all users which has recently expired. it has been taken into account and disregarded because it's irrelevant the intent of subscribers discontinuing the service is irrelevant, the subscribers left, that means the service is a flop
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Oct 20, 2015 15:55
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Apple Music went from zero paying subscribers to 6 million as of this month. more than 50% retention rate in the conversion from free to paid is pretty loving high.
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Oct 20, 2015 15:58
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Stymie posted:it has been taken into account and disregarded because it's irrelevant a subscriptionbn is a paid service, members not paying, for example sooemone who took advantage of sosme kind of free period of use, are by definitition not subscribers, so subscribers, thaht isi member s of the service who are paying a subscription fee, have gone up. im srory basic use of words and concepts known to a 10 yea rold are so diffiicult for you to comprehend.
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Oct 20, 2015 15:59
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hmm iphoen is the best selling phoen, but what about the entrei population of the world not using iphoens ? what a failure....
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Oct 20, 2015 16:01
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The Management posted:Apple Music went from zero paying subscribers to 6 million as of this month. more than 50% retention rate in the conversion from free to paid is pretty loving high. and yet it is still a 50% decline in overall subscribers which is unacceptable as a metric to anyone with any sense
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Oct 20, 2015 16:02
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I bet most of those 6 mil forgot to turn off the sub
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Oct 20, 2015 16:02
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Stymie posted:and yet it is still a 50% decline in overall subscribers which is unacceptable as a metric to anyone with any sense if they werent paying a subscription they werent subscribers by deifintiion.
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Oct 20, 2015 16:03
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Stux posted:a subscriptionbn is a paid service, members not paying, for example sooemone who took advantage of sosme kind of free period of use, are by definitition not subscribers, so subscribers, thaht isi member s of the service who are paying a subscription fee, have gone up. im srory basic use of words and concepts known to a 10 yea rold are so diffiicult for you to comprehend. no a subscriber is someone who subscribes to a service, and they will not be paying for it in any context now because they have discontinued the service the service was poor enough quality that fully 50% of their subscribers said "no, i will not continue subscribing to this service" and this makes the service a flop or are you insinuating that apple was stupid enough to not monetize "unpaying" subscribers somehow?
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Oct 20, 2015 16:06
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Stymie posted:no a subscriber is someone who subscribes to a service, and they will not be paying for it in any context now because they have discontinued the service i agree a subscriberbe is someone who subscribes 2 a service. a subscription is the paying of a fee at regular intervals in exchanenge for a service, so anyone not paying a fee is not a subscriber. please ring up ur high school english techer to confimr these basic facts about what wwords mean.
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Oct 20, 2015 16:08
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Stux posted:i agree a subscriberbe is someone who subscribes 2 a service. a subscription is the paying of a fee at regular intervals in exchanenge for a service, so anyone not paying a fee is not a subscriber. please ring up ur high school english techer to confimr these basic facts about what wwords mean. subscribers are subscribers, whether they are paying or not is irrelevant to their status as a subscriber i guess you've accepted the fact that apple designed their service so poorly that they can only consider paying subscribers as valuable to their service, which further cements apple music as a flop from its inception
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Oct 20, 2015 16:10
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if you want to look at free to paid conversion, spotify's numbers are horrendous. 80% of their users don't pay them a dime
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Oct 20, 2015 16:19
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Stymie posted:subscribers are subscribers, whether they are paying or not is irrelevant to their status as a subscriber a subscriberb paying or not is only irrelevannt if u disagree with how the english languuage works and what words mean applel propibably only consider paying customers as valuable 2 their service, becuase the entire service is based on a apid subscription. unbbelievable that apple makde a service u have to pay for and then only count paying customers as paying customers.
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Oct 20, 2015 16:20
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Ludwig van Halen posted:if you want to look at free to paid conversion, spotify's numbers are horrendous. 80% of their users don't pay them a dime and yet their service is designed that those free users are still monetized, unlike apple music apparently
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Oct 20, 2015 16:21
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Stux posted:a subscriberb paying or not is only irrelevannt if u disagree with how the english languuage works and what words mean great, thanks for confirming tim has rolled out a service so poorly designed that it has been failing since its creation up until this month because it had no paying customers and yet was providing a service
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Oct 20, 2015 16:23
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Stymie posted:great, thanks for confirming is english ur 2nd language. do u always have such issues such as not udnenrstanding basic concepts such as "free trial" and "paid service".
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Oct 20, 2015 16:26
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Stux posted:is english ur 2nd language. do u always have such issues such as not udnenrstanding basic concepts such as "free trial" and "paid service". i understand them just fine you seem to be struggling with the idea that services that are subscriber-based function based on a promise of a certain base of subscribers to the content providers to attract them and if those subscribers have a drastic decline in less than a fiscal quarter, those content providers may be less than eager to continue providing their content sorry to move beyond what the definition of "subscribers" is 
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Oct 20, 2015 16:32
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Stymie posted:i understand them just fine no i udnnerstand and agree with that idea, and apple music has done jusut that, because the word subscriber in regards to a serveivce which is a apid service implicitlyl means someone paying a recurring feee for that service, and ur wishes for it to mean something different doesnt erase the definition of a word.
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Oct 20, 2015 16:38
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a user or f spotifys free ad basbed service is not a subscriber of spotify, as confirmed by spotifys own literature where the worod subscriber is only used in reference to their subscribers, that is fee paying members of their service. incredible that this v basic concept and idea of what a word means is taking such a long time for u to understand.
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Oct 20, 2015 16:40
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Stux posted:no i udnnerstand and agree with that idea, and apple music has done jusut that, because the word subscriber in regards to a serveivce which is a apid service implicitlyl means someone paying a recurring feee for that service, and ur wishes for it to mean something different doesnt erase the definition of a word. look, i'll lay it out here because you're struggling with this: apple music, like other similar services, was created with the intent that all subscribers, whether they are paying or not, have a monetized value to the service provider and, in turn, the content providers enabling the service to exist basically, i'm giving apple more credit than you seem to be which is strange when those subscribers decline 50% in the quarter, there is no meaningful distinction because all subscribers, whether they are paying or not, are valuable and therefore the value of the service has declined to the content providers when the value of a service declines to such a drastic degree it is reasonable to declare that it is a flop
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Oct 20, 2015 16:45
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Stymie posted:look, i'll lay it out here because you're struggling with this: apple music, like other similar services, was created with the intent that all subscribers, whether they are paying or not, have a monetized value to the service provider and, in turn, the content providers enabling the service to exist what value do non paying customers have? and don't say ads because apple has literally never done anything that was ad-supported
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Oct 20, 2015 16:48
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Ludwig van Halen posted:what value do non paying customers have? they are consuming the content which is a prerequisite for paying for the content through any number of other sources, such as itunes
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Oct 20, 2015 16:50
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Stymie posted:they are consuming the content which is a prerequisite for paying for the content through any number of other sources, such as itunes but why should they pay for it if apple themselves are giving it away
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Oct 20, 2015 16:51
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Ludwig van Halen posted:but why should they pay for it if apple themselves are giving it away because the myth of the freeloading content consumer is just that, a myth content producers know that even the most inveterate pirate will still buy content
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Oct 20, 2015 16:52
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Ludwig van Halen posted:what value do non paying customers have? well itunes radio has ads if you dont have itunes match
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Oct 20, 2015 16:52
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Stymie posted:because the myth of the freeloading content consumer is just that, a myth no I would pretty much never buy content; can't think of a time when I would
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Oct 20, 2015 16:56
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Blue Train posted:no I would pretty much never buy content; can't think of a time when I would you have, you just may not be conscious of it
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Oct 20, 2015 16:59
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Stux posted:a user or f spotifys free ad basbed service is not a subscriber of spotify, as confirmed by spotifys own literature where the worod subscriber is only used in reference to their subscribers, that is fee paying members of their service. incredible that this v basic concept and idea of what a word means is taking such a long time for u to understand. Thank you for posting in FYAD once in 2009 so I can probate you whenever I want.
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Oct 20, 2015 17:16
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lol
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Shaggar posted:I bet most of those 6 mil forgot to turn off the sub shaggar was right
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