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Mitt Romney posted:Boehner is having problems even coming up with 30 votes for a clean debt ceiling vote now. http://thehill.com/policy/finance/257393-gop-votes-scarce-on-debt-ceiling-hike Executive order everything.
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Oct 20, 2015 20:47
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Oct 20, 2015 20:48
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If Obama tries an executive order to fix things then the Republicans will poo poo bricks
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Oct 20, 2015 20:49
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Joe Biden was pretty notably a skeptic of the OBL raid, it was reported that he told Obama "don't go" and Clinton has said in public and in her book that he was very reticent about the whole thing. Today he said this: quote:At an event honoring former Vice President Walter Mondale, Biden said he had privately advised the President to pursue the raid on bin Laden's compound after initially advising a more cautious approach at a Cabinet meeting. This is why he'd be a terrible candidate yall.
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Oct 20, 2015 20:51
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Hollismason posted:If Obama tries an executive order to fix things then the Republicans will poo poo bricks Good then Congress will have provided actual building materials necessary to patch up all infrastructure.
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Oct 20, 2015 20:51
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Harry Reid just made an important endorsement. He's endorsed Paul Ryan for Speaker of the House quote:http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/reid-paul-ryan-endorsement
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Oct 20, 2015 20:52
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There's no executive order he can give that will fix this.
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Harry Reid is the best, too bad our country will now be plunged into a thousand years of darkness.
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Oct 20, 2015 20:54
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Mitt Romney posted:Harry Reid just made an important endorsement. Haha now if we can get Pelosi to say the same thing we can torpedo this whole Paul Ryan speakership plan.
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Hollismason posted:There's no executive order he can give that will fix this. If he finally opens the FEMA death camps there is.
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Hollismason posted:There's no executive order he can give that will fix this. Executive Order 66 "Wipe them out...all of them."
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If Congress decides that it won't do its job, then the government doesn't work. Obama can't fix that with EO's, SCOTUS can't fix it with a ruling. If Congress decides that they'd rather wreck the country than risk getting primaried by soreheads, then the country gets wrecked and there isn't much that anyone can do about it.
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Oct 20, 2015 20:55
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Mitt Romney posted:Boehner is having problems even coming up with 30 votes for a clean debt ceiling vote now. http://thehill.com/policy/finance/257393-gop-votes-scarce-on-debt-ceiling-hike I honestly think quite a few of them have no idea what a U.S. debt default entails and think it's all bullshit scare tactics meant to turn them into squishes. It would be fun to see what happens if a debt default becomes a realistic possibility and big money grabs these jackasses by the scruff of the neck and gives them a come to Jesus moment.
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Oct 20, 2015 20:56
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So ... we're gonna default.
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Hollismason posted:So ... we're gonna default aren't we. Probably not, at least not on purpose. The big, big money that runs the GOP knows exactly what a default will mean (economic chaos) even if the pols themselves like to pretend that it's no big deal, and enough phone calls from those people will shift 30 votes the right way. The problem is that brinksmanship like this runs the risk of us hitting the ceiling without intending to just because we have a few days where the bills that we pay are a bit higher than anyone thought.
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Oct 20, 2015 20:59
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Oct 20, 2015 20:59
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Hopefully this forces Boehner to eliminate the debt ceiling altogether before he goes.
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Oct 20, 2015 20:59
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derra posted:Hopefully this forces Boehner to eliminate the debt ceiling altogether before he goes. What?
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Oct 20, 2015 21:01
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Zeroisanumber posted:Probably not, at least not on purpose. The big, big money that runs the GOP knows exactly what a default will mean (economic chaos) even if the pols themselves like to pretend that it's no big deal, and enough phone calls from those people will shift 30 votes the right way. The problem is that brinksmanship like this runs the risk of us hitting the ceiling without intending to just because we have a few days where the bills that we pay are a bit higher than anyone thought. I don't know this just seems worse. I don't know why? Maybe it's just the climate now but it feels different than last time.
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Oct 20, 2015 21:02
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derra posted:Hopefully this forces Boehner to eliminate the debt ceiling altogether before he goes. If he's having trouble getting 30 to just extend the debt ceiling, why do you think he could get 30 that would vote to do away with it? Let alone how'd that pass the senate... Hollismason posted:I don't know this just seems worse. I don't know why? Maybe it's just the climate now but it feels different than last time. Because it is much worse. The idea that "we'll fix it in time" is how catastrophe happens.
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Oct 20, 2015 21:03
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Trabisnikof posted:If he's having trouble getting 30 to just extend the debt ceiling, why do you think he could get 30 that would vote to do away with it? Let alone how'd that pass the senate... It was also established in the 40's. There's nothing inherently wrong with a debt ceiling, we went like 70 years before it ever became an issue.
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zoux posted:What? There's no reason a debt limit needs to exist at all. As we're seeing right now, it doesn't exactly do anything good at all, just create problems. Not that Boehner will get rid of it, but if Democrats get control of Congress back they should. zoux posted:It was also established in the 40's. There's nothing inherently wrong with a debt ceiling, we went like 70 years before it ever became an issue. There is nothing good that it does. The sole thing it does is create the possibility of default. Its existence does not force Congress to keep appropriations in check.
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Oct 20, 2015 21:05
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Maybe the Republicans feel that if they default they can blame the Democrats and Obama ends his term with the world economy destroyed.
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Oct 20, 2015 21:05
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Hey, I can dream that he would take away the gun from the baby, right? At this point it's the only reasonable option and last I checked he was adamant about not letting the country default.
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Lemming posted:Platinum coin before default The platinum coin is a fantasy and would never, ever be used as a solution. The likely thing that Obama would do in case we hit the debt ceiling is to order that what federal funds are available be used to make our bond payments so that we don't destroy the bond/banking sector. Everything else, including the salaries of federal employees, SSI/D payments, military pay, etc. would be put on hold. The market would tank. You'd lose your job, I'd lose my job, and my jokes about guillotines would take on a more serious tone.
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Oct 20, 2015 21:06
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The only way is if he capitulates. They're not going to let Planned Parenthood go.
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Oct 20, 2015 21:07
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Zeroisanumber posted:Probably not, at least not on purpose. The big, big money that runs the GOP knows exactly what a default will mean (economic chaos) even if the pols themselves like to pretend that it's no big deal, and enough phone calls from those people will shift 30 votes the right way. The problem is that brinksmanship like this runs the risk of us hitting the ceiling without intending to just because we have a few days where the bills that we pay are a bit higher than anyone thought. Assume that they get the 30 votes this year which is likely. What about in 2018-2020 when the house will be it's most ideologically "pure"? A 6+ month long shutdown or a default would be possible with a Democratic president. Who will the receive the most blame if it lasts that long or there is a default, the house or President Clinton? Will even more of them get elected in 2020? There is precedent that when one side is willing to burn things down and cause significant long-term problems, that the reasonable side is accused of being at fault for simply not giving in.
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evilweasel posted:There's no reason a debt limit needs to exist at all. As we're seeing right now, it doesn't exactly do anything good at all, just create problems. Not that Boehner will get rid of it, but if Democrats get control of Congress back they should. Democrats want to bankrupt the country by giving your tax dollars away forever!
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Zeroisanumber posted:The likely thing that Obama would do in case we hit the debt ceiling is to order that what federal funds are available be used to make our bond payments so that we don't destroy the bond/banking sector. Everything else, including the salaries of federal employees, SSI/D payments, military pay, etc. would be put on hold. The Treasury Department says that its systems cannot do this. They simply weren't designed with that capability.
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derra posted:Hey, I can dream that he would take away the gun from the baby, right? At this point it's the only reasonable option and last I checked he was adamant about not letting the country default. He should mint an adamantium coin.
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Zeroisanumber posted:The platinum coin is a fantasy and would never, ever be used as a solution. Except Lew & others have insisted that the Federal government's payment systems are not set up for this kind of prioritization, so I'm not confident that defaulting on a debt payment is even avoidable if it gets to that point.
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Oct 20, 2015 21:10
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Obama should put out an executive order that military assets are legal tender and just start making government payments by handing out jets and mortars.
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Maybe they think this is the only way they can win the 2016 elections? Cause the default and destroy Obama's "legacy" and we go into the 2016 election with unemployment sky high and the econmy destroyed. A populist message at that point would be very popular.
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greatn posted:He should mint an adamantium coin. its about drat time america started dipping into its unobtanium reserve
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evilweasel posted:The Treasury Department says that its systems cannot do this. They simply weren't designed with that capability. Ah. Well, then the living will envy the dead because we'd all lose our shirts.
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Oct 20, 2015 21:12
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seiferguy posted:Just gonna take this to it's logical conclusion: How is Trump not Lando Calrissian.
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mr. mephistopheles posted:How is Trump not Lando Calrissian. Lando ended up being an okay person is why.
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Zeroisanumber posted:The platinum coin is a fantasy and would never, ever be used as a solution. I think the platinum coin is more likely than us hitting the debt ceiling and not defaulting on loan payments. Maybe we could get a bridge loan from the IMF or something?
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