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Sighence
Aug 26, 2009

Dandywalken posted:

Watching a buddy stream last night, and holy gently caress the Stormvermin marching in step.

See I get that, but for a totally different reason:

KING

RAT

KING

RAT

*hides in a corner, pubby opens fire*

:negative:

Don't touch the stove, goons.

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Lemon-Lime
Aug 6, 2009

chaos rhames posted:

He's pretty liberal for a witch hunter, seeing as he hasn't killed the witch already.

She's a wizard, not a witch, which means she's officially Empire military and professionally trained.

BadLlama
Jan 13, 2006

When the mage blows themselves up if a witch hunter is in the party the mage should automatically be killed rather then downed.

Zaodai
May 23, 2009

Death before dishonor?
Your terms are accepted.


Sighence posted:

See I get that, but for a totally different reason:

KING

RAT

KING

RAT

*hides in a corner, pubby opens fire*

:negative:

Don't touch the stove, goons.

I'm sometimes that guy. Except the fire you see going over your head is a firebomb. Get cooked in your metal armor, rats. :getin: I haven't played enough (or with goons) to get more than a few games in on Normal though. I'm sure on hard/nightmare/etc I'd be far more concerned about stealth. I was that guy in Payday too. gently caress your stealth shenanigans, I brought this gun for a reason!

Demiurge4
Aug 10, 2011

Zaodai posted:

Also the Dwarf has a line when helping up the Witch Hunter that is something along the lines of "On your feet Saltzpyre, you've still got so much to bitch about!"

God my new laptop can't arrive fast enough :3:

Brainamp
Sep 4, 2011

More Zen than Zenyatta

The elf is just super into murdering rats. She's also not quite sure about what the deal is with the witch hunter and the bright wizard.

Skandranon
Sep 6, 2008
fucking stupid, dont listen to me

Trilin posted:

I thought he was more or less about to until poo poo Happened.

He was escorting her somewhere (Altdorf?) for trial.

PureRok
Mar 27, 2010

Good as new.
The rats have some good lines too, like when I'm playing the Elf*:

"[Unintelligable] Elf bitch!"



*I'm always the elf

Musluk
May 23, 2011



Zaodai posted:

stealth shenanigans

It's not payday levels, you just sit down and wait for them to pass.

I can't wait to listen to the dwarf's tales and WH waxing philosophical in the new maps :allears:

Zaodai
May 23, 2009

Death before dishonor?
Your terms are accepted.


Also, the fact that the Dwarf actually refers to the humans as "manlings" like he should is a nice touch. I actually smiled when he chided the manlings for "not believing the rats were real".

MagnumOpus
Dec 7, 2006

Servers are down or something?

Trilin
Dec 15, 2009

Ah! There he is!

MagnumOpus posted:

Servers are down or something?

Yup, they're having server troubles.

BombiTheZombie
Mar 27, 2010

Lemon Curdistan posted:

She's a wizard, not a witch, which means she's officially Empire military and professionally trained.

This is something that i keep getting annoyed at. A Bright Wizard is an officially trained and schooled spellcaster from the Bright College in Altdorf, she has the regalia of a battle wizard. Saltzpyre shouldnt have any problems with her and has no right or jurisdiction to keep her from her business. Unless Saltzpyre is a curmudgeonly fart that hates all magic. Which he is.

But still.

Tokubetsu
Dec 18, 2007

Love Is Not Enough

BombiTheZombie posted:

This is something that i keep getting annoyed at. A Bright Wizard is an officially trained and schooled spellcaster from the Bright College in Altdorf, she has the regalia of a battle wizard. Saltzpyre shouldnt have any problems with her and has no right or jurisdiction to keep her from her business. Unless Saltzpyre is a curmudgeonly fart that hates all magic. Which he is.

But still.

She has been accused of burning a mill with some lord's son inside which is why he arrested her.

Night10194
Feb 13, 2012

We'll start,
like many good things,
with a bear.

Tokubetsu posted:

She has been accused of burning a mill with someones son inside which is why he arrested her.

Also note her being an official and sanctioned wizard is why she's under arrest and being returned to the colleges for trial instead of being shot in the face.

Cowstomper
Oct 16, 2005

BombiTheZombie posted:

This is something that i keep getting annoyed at. A Bright Wizard is an officially trained and schooled spellcaster from the Bright College in Altdorf, she has the regalia of a battle wizard. Saltzpyre shouldnt have any problems with her and has no right or jurisdiction to keep her from her business. Unless Saltzpyre is a curmudgeonly fart that hates all magic. Which he is.

But still.

Her backstory has her under suspicion of burning down a mill with a burgomeister's son in it, and the Witch Hunter was taking her to a trial for it.

Astus
Nov 11, 2008

BombiTheZombie posted:

This is something that i keep getting annoyed at. A Bright Wizard is an officially trained and schooled spellcaster from the Bright College in Altdorf, she has the regalia of a battle wizard. Saltzpyre shouldnt have any problems with her and has no right or jurisdiction to keep her from her business. Unless Saltzpyre is a curmudgeonly fart that hates all magic. Which he is.

But still.

One of the conversations you can have if Saltspyre isn't in the party has the Bright Wizard mention he isn't even involved in her trial, he just volunteered to escort her. He's actually a big softie.

BadLlama
Jan 13, 2006

Aren't witch hunters in fantasy basically like inquisitor in 40k in that each guy perscribes to certain levels of acceptable magic going from No gently caress magic -> Some magic is okay but dont go crazy -> gently caress it all use all the magics the chaos gods wouldnt hold back.

Night10194
Feb 13, 2012

We'll start,
like many good things,
with a bear.

BadLlama posted:

Aren't witch hunters in fantasy basically like inquisitor in 40k in that each guy perscribes to certain levels of acceptable magic going from No gently caress magic -> Some magic is okay but dont go crazy -> gently caress it all use all the magics the chaos gods wouldnt have back.

They're more of the Wizard Cops. A Witch Hunter's duties include checking the licenses on College trained mages and also hunting down rogue ones or dealing with Wizard Crime.

Drakenel
Dec 2, 2008

The glow is a guide, my friend. Though it falls to you to avert catastrophe, you will never fight alone.

Astus posted:

One of the conversations you can have if Saltspyre isn't in the party has the Bright Wizard mention he isn't even involved in her trial, he just volunteered to escort her. He's actually a big softie.

On the elevator going up to the horn tower, the BW will tease him after he makes his grumpy 'you better watch out' spiel at her, saying 'but you spend so much time around me, there's no shame in admitting you love me.' His only response (According to the subtitles) is *Angry sputtering*

BombiTheZombie
Mar 27, 2010

Drakenel posted:

On the elevator going up to the horn tower, the BW will tease him after he makes his grumpy 'you better watch out' spiel at her, saying 'but you spend so much time around me, there's no shame in admitting you love me.' His only response (According to the subtitles) is *Angry sputtering*

The only thing missing is a monocle that pops when he sputters.

Ojetor
Aug 4, 2010

Return of the Sensei

BadLlama posted:

Aren't witch hunters in fantasy basically like inquisitor in 40k in that each guy perscribes to certain levels of acceptable magic going from No gently caress magic -> Some magic is okay but dont go crazy -> gently caress it all use all the magics the chaos gods wouldnt hold back.

No. The Colleges of Magic are a formal part of the Empire and sanctioned Wizards are given free reign as long as they don't do stupid poo poo. The colleges also mostly police themselves, a rogue College wizard can expect other members of his College to come down on them like a sack of bricks if they start some poo poo up.

Witch Hunters mostly deal with chaos cults, unsanctioned wizards and other unauthorized magical stuff.

Mechafunkzilla
Sep 11, 2006

If you want a vision of the future...
Witch Hunters hunt down chaos worship and mutation, not wizards. Magic in Warhammer Fantasy isn't taboo or reviled the way psykers are in 40k.

Demiurge4
Aug 10, 2011

Mechafunkzilla posted:

Witch Hunters hunt down chaos worship and mutation, not wizards. Magic in Warhammer Fantasy isn't taboo or reviled the way psykers are in 40k.

Unless you study necromancy, then hooo boy.

Also the first 1:30 minutes of this video will tell you all you need to know about the grimoire's you're picking up willy nilly.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=reg8myEgXyc

Edit: 13:30 is also pretty great.

Fans
Jun 27, 2013

A reptile dysfunction
Witch Hunters on the other hand, are just like the Inquisition in that while everyone is glad they're there no one actually wants to be near it.

BombiTheZombie
Mar 27, 2010
Thats because a Witch Hunter has the authority to do anything to root out chaos and heresy. Anything.

Burn down an entire village because there are rumors of a cult situated in it? No problems.

Lynching every man, woman and child of a household because they saw the wrong thing? Yep.

You don't gently caress with the witch hunters, they make the witch burnings look mild. Peak Warhammer distilled into one character.

juggalo baby coffin
Dec 2, 2007

How would the dog wear goggles and even more than that, who makes the goggles?


Saltzpyre is actually disliked by some of his peers for being too liberal, since he has no problem with working with other races.

CuddleCryptid
Jan 11, 2013

Things could be going better

Yep, sounds exactly like the Inquisition. Someone has a weird lump in their head? Exterminatus the whole planet

Demiurge4
Aug 10, 2011

BombiTheZombie posted:

Thats because a Witch Hunter has the authority to do anything to root out chaos and heresy. Anything.

Burn down an entire village because there are rumors of a cult situated in it? No problems.

Lynching every man, woman and child of a household because they saw the wrong thing? Yep.

You don't gently caress with the witch hunters, they make the witch burnings look mild. Peak Warhammer distilled into one character.

Basically. If the Witch Hunter knows that 1 guy in a throng of 100 is guilty and the rest are innocent, he'll just kill the whole 100 and be satisfied he got the guilty one.

Zaodai
May 23, 2009

Death before dishonor?
Your terms are accepted.


Demiurge4 posted:

Basically. If the Witch Hunter knows that 1 guy in a throng of 100 is guilty and the rest are innocent, he'll just kill the whole 100 and be satisfied he got the guilty one.

So he's Russian?

Kanos
Sep 6, 2006

was there a time when speedwagon didn't get trolled

Demiurge4 posted:

Basically. If the Witch Hunter knows that 1 guy in a throng of 100 is guilty and the rest are innocent, he'll just kill the whole 100 and be satisfied he got the guilty one.

Most of the witch hunters portrayed in the Warhammer fluff aren't actually like this and are generally principled dudes who actually care about protecting the peasantry because there's absolutely no point in "protecting" a village by killing everyone in it, it's like shooting a guy in the face to cure his cancer and Fantasy isn't like 40k where burning a planet to ashes means nothing because there's ten thousand more just like it. Killing a whole shitload of people for no reason is actually meaningful in Fantasy and witch hunters don't enjoy the nearly infinite authority that inquisitors do in 40k.

Witch hunters are usually just huge hardliners who are utterly without mercy, so if they find your rear end doing something you shouldn't be they will torture and burn you to death without a thought. They're still going to go through the motions to at least attempt to establish innocence or guilt before doing so, though, so it's not going to be "Siegfried is casting magic on my cows!" "Well, guess I'd better burn his family to death."

Kanos fucked around with this message at 00:54 on Oct 21, 2015

Night10194
Feb 13, 2012

We'll start,
like many good things,
with a bear.

Assuming he (or she) can get someone to back them up. Hunters aren't given nearly the cart-blanch that 40k Inquisitors are, and have to make a case for why they need troops for a situation or be forced to settle for what mercs and thugs they can hire.

BombiTheZombie
Mar 27, 2010
Game wont be up until sometime tomorrow. The devs gave up and went home since they couldnt figure out the problem.

http://forums.fatsharkgames.com/discussion/2004/so-when-will-the-servers-be-online#latest

ChickenHeart
Nov 28, 2007

Take me at your own risk.

Kiss From a Hog
AKA the witch hunter is the most tsundere character in all of Warhammer

Coolguye
Jul 6, 2011

Required by his programming!

PureRok posted:

The rats have some good lines too, like when I'm playing the Elf*:

"[Unintelligable] Elf bitch!"
It's 'gotcha now, elf bitch'.


Ojetor posted:

Witch Hunters mostly deal with chaos cults, unsanctioned wizards and other unauthorized magical stuff.
The bright wizard is under suspicion for burning down some buildings and killing a burgomeister's son, and Saltzpyre was bringing her to trial with Kruger when everything went to hell. It's Lore-Friendlytm.

CuddleCryptid
Jan 11, 2013

Things could be going better

BombiTheZombie posted:

Game wont be up until sometime tomorrow. The devs gave up and went home since they couldnt figure out the problem.

http://forums.fatsharkgames.com/discussion/2004/so-when-will-the-servers-be-online#latest

Disappointing, but I like a dev that just admits that they've worked til dawn and just want to sleep. We've all had those days.

BombiTheZombie
Mar 27, 2010

ChickenHeart posted:

AKA the witch hunter is the most tsundere character in all of Warhammer

"B-baka braito wizardo-chan, its not like i like you or a-anything..."

NeurosisHead
Jul 22, 2007

NONONONONONONONONO

BombiTheZombie posted:

Game wont be up until sometime tomorrow. The devs gave up and went home since they couldnt figure out the problem.

http://forums.fatsharkgames.com/discussion/2004/so-when-will-the-servers-be-online#latest

Can you imagine how many of their gay idiot entitled manbaby pre-orders just cancelled and asked for Steam refunds? The Steam discussion about the server problems is just disgusting.

Wrestlepig
Feb 25, 2011

my mum says im cool

Toilet Rascal
Not that many probably, steam communities are never really that big.

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Jimbot
Jul 22, 2008

Aside from a dumb player every now and then, the community from random players has been pretty decent and helpful, as far as online shooters are concerned. But it's the internet so you never know. I rather have this nonsense happen before release rather than release day. You only get one shot at a good impression and this game deserves the chance at success.

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