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11 members of the HFC have now publicly rejected Paul Ryan as speaker, enough to doom his candidacy for speaker
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Oct 21, 2015 22:31
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and who said HFC wasn't bad for your health 
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Oct 21, 2015 22:31
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Trabisnikof posted:How on earth do you think sweeping electoral reform would occur without a semblance of compromise between the two parties? Technically you could do it with a bare majority in Congress and the Presidency. Congress can override state laws on the time, place, and manner of elections for Congress.
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Oct 21, 2015 22:33
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Fried Chicken posted:11 members of the HFC have now publicly rejected Paul Ryan as speaker, enough to doom his candidacy for speaker What does HFC stand for now? I keep reading either Hellfire Club or Hillary Fuckin' Clinton.
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Oct 21, 2015 22:33
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HFC = House Freedom Caucus = Raiders of the Tortilla Coast = insane teabaggers who love death
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Oct 21, 2015 22:34
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House Freedom Caucus?
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Oct 21, 2015 22:34
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House Freedom Caucus
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Oct 21, 2015 22:34
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Everblight posted:What does HFC stand for now? I keep reading either Hellfire Club or Hillary Fuckin' Clinton. House freedom caucus, the formal name for the house portion of the raiders of tortilla coast
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Oct 21, 2015 22:35
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Fried Chicken posted:11 members of the HFC have now publicly rejected Paul Ryan as speaker, enough to doom his candidacy for speaker https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJq4jWSQNd8 State of the GOP right here.
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Oct 21, 2015 22:35
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Antti posted:I listened to it today and can't recommend it enough. Isreali politics is just super depressing on every level.
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Oct 21, 2015 22:36
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Newsweek just put up a long article called Benghazi Biopsy: A Comprehensive Guide to One of America’s Worst Political Outrages that covers both the attacks and the continuing investigations. It also tries to do a breakdown of the popular Republican conspiracy theories. Worth a read if you've got the time.
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Oct 21, 2015 22:37
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To explain the math here (such as it is), Ryan demanded he secure the endorsement of all the major caucuses within the GOP as a condition for his taking the job. According to the HFC internal rules, you need 4/5ths support of the caucus to secure their endorsement. Anyone opposed by more than 8 members could therefore not get their endorsement, which would be refusing to comply with Ryan's demands. Now obviously Ryan could accept regardless, or the HFC could change their rules, or they could fudge and claim the HFC isn't a "major" caucus, or whatever. But as it stands the house has rejected Ryan's demands
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Oct 21, 2015 22:42
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Fried Chicken posted:To explain the math here (such as it is), Ryan demanded he secure the endorsement of all the major caucuses within the GOP as a condition for his taking the job. According to the HFC internal rules, you need 4/5ths support of the caucus to secure their endorsement. Anyone opposed by more than 8 members could therefore not get their endorsement, which would be refusing to comply with Ryan's demands. He could fudge and say enough of them support him to count (51%) even if they do not endorse him as a caucus. But I doubt he would, he left himself this out for a reason.
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Oct 21, 2015 22:44
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evilweasel posted:He could fudge and say enough of them support him to count (51%) even if they do not endorse him as a caucus. But I doubt he would, he left himself this out for a reason. Was there ever any reasonable uncertainty about how the HFC would vote on him?
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Oct 21, 2015 22:49
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Sharkie posted:Was there ever any reasonable uncertainty about how the HFC would vote on him? I believe that Ryan could conceive of a universe where the HFC made a show of submission to allow him to be speaker without all the bullshit. What he didn't understand is that the HFC members' primary interest is in fighting other republicans. Whether or not he's a RINO is irrelevant: if he's the Speaker, they badly need him to be one.
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Oct 21, 2015 22:53
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Sharkie posted:Was there ever any reasonable uncertainty about how the HFC would vote on him? No, but there wasn't reasonable uncertainty about who was winning in 2012 on election night and yet Paul Ryan was still suprised.
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Oct 21, 2015 22:54
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evilweasel posted:Technically you could do it with a bare majority in Congress and the Presidency. Congress can override state laws on the time, place, and manner of elections for Congress. Yes, but this won't be a platform any politician will have any time soon. People might take notice once Canada does it, though.
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Oct 21, 2015 22:57
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evilweasel posted:No, but there wasn't reasonable uncertainty about who was winning in 2012 on election night and yet Paul Ryan was still suprised. Lest we forget... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9TwuR0jCavk
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Oct 21, 2015 22:57
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evilweasel posted:No, but there wasn't reasonable uncertainty about who was winning in 2012 on election night and yet Paul Ryan was still suprised.
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Oct 21, 2015 23:00
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Another white guy leaving pipe bombs everywhere. When will the madness end!?
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Oct 21, 2015 23:05
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Luigi Thirty posted:Another white guy leaving pipe bombs everywhere. When will the madness end!? I was hoping CM Punk was reacting poorly to the Cubs being dogshit in the postseason and you'd posted in the wrong thread.
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Oct 21, 2015 23:12
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FilthyImp posted:Paul Ryan thought mentioning death by car accident during the Veep debates was a prudent choice that would in no way backfire and hand a silver opportunity to Joebiden. Jesus, I'd forgotten about that. So stupid it had to be intentional. Nobody fucks up that bad accidentally, you have to actually make a concerted effort to poo poo the bed so densely.
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Oct 21, 2015 23:16
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Toph Bei Fong posted:Lest we forget... Holy poo poo I forgot all about that cavalcade of madness. Watched the whole thing as a time capsule for The Day The Right Lost Their Goddamned Minds  Watching the swift excommunication of Rove from the right wing elite is just as cathartic now as it was then. Luigi Thirty posted:Another white guy leaving pipe bombs everywhere. When will the madness end!? "searching for a motive" is either really easy or really hard in Florida, I'm not sure
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Oct 21, 2015 23:17
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ComradeCosmobot posted:Not exclusively. But they do get the blame, only as part of the standard "both sides are bad!" game plan. The Republicans in Congress have lost ground against Barack Obama in blame over the government shutdown, with Americans expressing increasing criticism of both parties in Washington, while the president's avoided that rise in public ire. quote:Seventy percent in a new ABC News/Washington Post poll disapprove of how the Republicans in Congress are handling the budget negotiations, up 7 percentage points from a week ago. Far fewer, 51 percent, disapprove of Obama's approach, essentially unchanged in the past week.  
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Oct 21, 2015 23:43
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nice
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Oct 21, 2015 23:45
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Duke Igthorn posted:The Republicans in Congress have lost ground against Barack Obama in blame over the government shutdown, with Americans expressing increasing criticism of both parties in Washington, while the president's avoided that rise in public ire. Ha ha these are both great The elephant looks so scared but hungry in the first one and so pleased in the second
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Oct 21, 2015 23:46
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Goddamn
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Oct 21, 2015 23:49
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Fried Chicken posted:11 members of the HFC have now publicly rejected Paul Ryan as speaker, enough to doom his candidacy for speaker Mr Hootington posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJq4jWSQNd8  I need a stronger word than schadenfreude. Schadengasmus for Hate-gasm?
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Oct 21, 2015 23:49
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Mitt Romney posted:Obama's poll numbers were more damaged from the 2011 debt ceiling crisis compared to the GOP. That's even with Obama offering a poo poo ton of stuff in the negotiations. People here kind of live in a bubble and think these polls mean something. Most people don't understand how a bill is passed. I would venture most wouldn't be able to name the three branches of government. All they know is Obama is president which is important cause he is the head of the state and there are issues with nothing being done. These polls don't mean poo poo when you consider the types of people who will take the time to answer them.
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Oct 21, 2015 23:50
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I always take the time to answer polls as I feel it's my responsibility.
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Oct 21, 2015 23:52
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mdemone posted:Jesus, I'd forgotten about that. So stupid it had to be intentional. Nobody fucks up that bad accidentally, you have to actually make a concerted effort to poo poo the bed so densely. I actually forgot about that as well someone post the video to Paul Ryan mentioning the car accident.
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Oct 21, 2015 23:54
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So Ryan's staff has said that the HFC is who determines what constitutes an endorsement, not Ryan HFC looks to vote on if they will support Ryan or not, but haven't decided and may postpone their vote My money is they vote and vote not to endorse
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Oct 21, 2015 23:56
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Hollismason posted:I actually forgot about that as well someone post the video to Paul Ryan mentioning the car accident. I'm going to guess it was in response to a question with a statistic about gun deaths
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Oct 21, 2015 23:58
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Ryan's actually being smarter here than I would have expected. He realizes that the job is a lovely job, and his list of "demands" basically amounts to a list of reasons why he'd be an idiot to accept the job. If the GOP somehow, miraculously, fixes all those things, then sure he'll take it. Either way he doesn't get stuck with a career-ruining move, and he looks vaguely in control meanwhile. I've had someone tell me that the GOP "has no other choice" than Ryan, but that's irrelevant. He apparently isn't enough of a sucker.
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Oct 22, 2015 00:05
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Guys, I think we found the answer... Waka for Speaker of the House
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Oct 22, 2015 00:06
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Mitt Romney posted:That is a good point. Counterpoint: he was giddy because he thought he was just elected to the Vice Presidency, the most do-nothingest job in the US Government. That's like apex minimum effort/maximal rewards.
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Oct 22, 2015 00:06
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Ditocoaf posted:Ryan's actually being smarter here than I would have expected. He realizes that the job is a lovely job, and his list of "demands" basically amounts to a list of reasons why he doesn't want the job. If the GOP somehow, miraculously, fixes all those things, then sure he'll take it. Either way he doesn't get stuck with a career-ruining move, and he looks vaguely in control meanwhile. Its kind of weird seeing a member of the GOP showing signs of borderline self awareness but I guess self enrichment has never really been their failing.
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Oct 22, 2015 00:07
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Ditocoaf posted:Ryan's actually being smarter here than I would have expected. He realizes that the job is a lovely job, and his list of "demands" basically amounts to a list of reasons why he doesn't want the job. If the GOP somehow, miraculously, fixes all those things, then sure he'll take it. Either way he doesn't get stuck with a career-ruining move, and he looks vaguely in control meanwhile.
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Oct 22, 2015 00:09
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evilweasel posted:He could fudge and say enough of them support him to count (51%) even if they do not endorse him as a caucus. But I doubt he would, he left himself this out for a reason. Whereupon John Boehner wraps his arms around Paul Ryan's (slender) legs and begs to be let out of this nightmare.
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Oct 22, 2015 00:11
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What is the official procedure for electing a new Speaker if the current Speaker blows his brains out on national TV in front of Congress
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