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i would love it if the sf gov't came out and said that airbnb was illegal until a decision was made by the courts effective February 1st.
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H.P. Hovercraft posted:The amazing part? I don't think that it's going to end. I think that the fundamental act of supply, strong demand, is gonna drive this market forever. this time is different, guys!
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Optimus_Rhyme posted:i would love it if the gov't came out and said that airbnb was illegal.
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Oct 21, 2015 22:40
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my favourite oyster bar added this to their menu this yearquote:20% Service Charge** so, they take 40% of the forced tip and put it in to wages and other stuff it seems like? i dunno. shame if you don't tip 20% anyway. it hasn't caught on much in wa yet afaict
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Oct 21, 2015 23:02
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tipping at restaurants is weird anyway, how did we end up with a culture where the people we want to reward for a great meal are the ones who wrote down our order, not the ones who actually did all the hard work making the food
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Oct 21, 2015 23:07
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waitstaff split all their tips with the kitchen.
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Oct 21, 2015 23:11
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Soricidus posted:tipping at restaurants is weird anyway, how did we end up with a culture where the people we want to reward for a great meal are the ones who wrote down our order, not the ones who actually did all the hard work making the food I like when a small restaurant splits tips between servers and kitchen
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Oct 21, 2015 23:11
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if you're an able bodied adult you should be preparing all of your own meals instead of eating at a restaurant so you won't have to worry about giving tips to people doing a job a robot should be doing
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Oct 21, 2015 23:23
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Fuzzy Mammal posted:my favourite oyster bar added this to their menu this year maybe i'm not seeing the weasel words but this one actually seems ok?
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angry_keebler posted:if you're an able bodied adult you should be preparing all of your own meals instead of eating at a restaurant so you won't have to worry about giving tips to people doing a job a robot should be doing i bet you enjoy preparing your soylent
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Oct 21, 2015 23:29
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jony neuemonic posted:maybe i'm not seeing the weasel words but this one actually seems ok? It actually looks okay I think? Like %60 of the "tip" is still tip for the server and presumably the other %40 goes to BoH and benefits for the whole staff. Or maybe the Owner secretly just pockets the rest 
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Oct 21, 2015 23:29
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angry_keebler posted:if you're an able bodied adult you should be preparing all of your own meals instead of eating at a restaurant so you won't have to worry about giving tips to people doing a job a robot should be doing worthless without the hn link
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Greatbacon posted:It actually looks okay I think? Like %60 of the "tip" is still tip for the server and presumably the other %40 goes to BoH and benefits for the whole staff. Or maybe the Owner secretly just pockets the rest it doesn't make clear that it doesn't just offset spending by the employer. So if service charges cover the wages on that day, well the employer gets to pocket the rest rather than everyone making bank that day.
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Oct 21, 2015 23:31
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jony neuemonic posted:maybe i'm not seeing the weasel words but this one actually seems ok? yeah it probably is. i guess it goes against the expectation that tips are take home pay straight up? as i said we'll see if it catches on. fee creep is a thing
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Oct 21, 2015 23:41
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Trabisnikof posted:correct! Under CA law service charges aren't tips and thus are 100% the employer's money. higher end restaurants that charge a service charge of 18-20% for "parties of 6 or more" or whatever are definitely adding that to the tip pool, otherwise no one would work there if they were constantly being stiffed on tips regardless tipping culture in the US is beyond retarded and needs to go away asap pay staff decent wages, build the cost of labor into the food, let people tip 5-10% if the service is above average.
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Oct 22, 2015 00:22
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Fuzzy Mammal posted:shame if you don't tip 20% anyway. pffft look at this rule 36 violator who doesn't tip 120%
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In Japan most of those things your bill comes in has English and Japanese instructions telling people that in the us people are expected to tip. There was only one place that put an auto service charge of 15% the rest just had that guide.
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Oct 22, 2015 01:47
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Optimus_Rhyme posted:In Japan most of those things your bill comes in has English and Japanese instructions telling people that in the us people are expected to tip. There was only one place that put an auto service charge of 15% the rest just had that guide. i dont fully follow this statement like, is this to an american or japanese audience, in japan or in america?
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Oct 22, 2015 01:59
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THC posted:waitstaff split all their tips with the kitchen. from some of the stuff I've been reading/hearing that's not how a lot of (maybe most?) places operate these new 'service charges' are basically an admission that they can't put the actual cost of making and serving food while paying the guys in the back of the house a living wage or people will get sticker shock and bolt before ordering I'd guess they'll slowly ratchet down the service charge while ratcheting up the menu prices over time and everyone will assume they're getting a better deal because the service fee is shrinking
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THC posted:waitstaff split all their tips with the kitchen. this is not the case in any restaurant ive ever worked and is also illegal. while tip pools are acceptable for front of house staff they are absolutely prohibited to be shared with management or back of house staff. Trabisnikof posted:it doesn't make clear that it doesn't just offset spending by the employer. So if service charges cover the wages on that day, well the employer gets to pocket the rest rather than everyone making bank that day. these charges are just another less blatant way of raising prices without breaking the brains of idiots who cannot even contemplate not tipping like normal, even if they are lovely tippers. it is completely functionally equivalent to just making the menu x% pricier Fuzzy Mammal posted:my favourite oyster bar added this to their menu this year this is why this style of operating rarely works in the us bc people cannot comprehend not tipping at certain places Soricidus posted:tipping at restaurants is weird anyway, how did we end up with a culture where the people we want to reward for a great meal are the ones who wrote down our order, not the ones who actually did all the hard work making the food lol if you think that's all they do mishaq posted:higher end restaurants that charge a service charge of 18-20% for "parties of 6 or more" or whatever are definitely adding that to the tip pool, otherwise no one would work there if they were constantly being stiffed on tips a lot of restaurants have this rule for big parties since they can be a lot of extra work and time for the waitstaff. generally the application of this should be mandatory, bc otherwise you get a lot of inconsistency. group of rich looking white people? better not put the gratuity on bc illprobanly make way more %-wise if i leave it off. group of people who look poor or are minorities? gonna grat them for sure and at least make something but, mishaq posted:
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angry_keebler posted:if you're an able bodied adult you should be preparing all of your own meals instead of eating at a restaurant so you won't have to worry about giving tips to people doing a job a robot should be doing if a robot should be doing this job, then why the gently caress would i do it
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Dislike button posted:this is not the case in any restaurant ive ever worked and is also illegal. while tip pools are acceptable for front of house staff they are absolutely prohibited to be shared with management or back of house staff. I knew a couple waitresses at P.F. Chang's who had to split their tips with the kitchen. I have no idea whether it's illegal but it's not at all unheard of.
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at the date posted:I knew a couple waitresses at P.F. Chang's who had to split their tips with the kitchen. I have no idea whether it's illegal but it's not at all unheard of. pf changs is big enough that that poo poo would never fly for a second. the only thing I can think of is they had tip outs to food runners who aren't technically kitchen staff even if they spend most of their time there, but to the actual cooks etc? forget it. plus the front of house doesn't make enough generally speaking to split it with the entire kitchen even if they wanted to. usually it's just a portion (like 3% of sales or w/e) to the hostesses, bussers, bartenders and sometimes runners
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Dislike button posted:pf changs is big enough that that poo poo would never fly for a second. http://www.calrest.org/employer-mandated-tip-pooling-guidelines.html quote:California law defines in the same manner as federal law and is defined as money that has been paid or given to or left for an employee by a patron of a business over and above the actual amount due for services rendered or for goods, food, drink, articles sold or served to patrons. An issue of much interpretation and debate is whether California employers may mandate that tips/gratuities be pooled and distributed among certain employees as a mechanism for ensuring that gratuities are shared by all employees in the “chain” of customer service also known as tip pools.
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in general the kitchen doesn't want to make tips because then they become dependent on tips and why the gently caress would any person on the face of the earth decide to willingly subject themselves to the mercy of their fat disgusting patrons.
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Rexicon1 posted:in general the kitchen doesn't want to make tips because then they become dependent on tips and why the gently caress would any person on the face of the earth decide to willingly subject themselves to the mercy of their fat disgusting patrons. Yeah, I hate getting extra money too. Money is basically a drug that makes you addicted to a higher standard of living than you would enjoy without it.
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at the date posted:Yeah, I hate getting extra money too. Money is basically a drug that makes you addicted to a higher standard of living than you would enjoy without it. you dumb rear end in a top hat go eat poo poo
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kitchen employees aren't in the chain of service. That's why they get paid hourly and waiters get sub minimum wages +tips quote:In 1998, the Department of Labor Standards Enforcement (DLSE) stated that those employees who provide “direct table service” may include waiters and waitresses, bus staff, bartenders, hosts and hostesses, and the maître d’. Employees who do not provide direct table service, such as dishwashers, cooks and chefs, cannot be included in the tip pooling arrangement. heated game moment fucked around with this message at 02:34 on Oct 22, 2015 |
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Rexicon1 posted:you dumb rear end in a top hat go eat poo poo some states mandate minimum wage for all employees, tipped or not in those places, getting tipped owns https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tipped_wage_in_the_United_States
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at the date posted:Yeah, I hate getting paid based on the higher of the two minimum wage standards. Whether or not I eat this week should be decided by a bunch of shitheads I never even get to meet based on whether or not the waitress let them pinch her rear end without protest.
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if you get tips it's an excuse for your employer to cut your wages (since you're getting tips to make up the difference) lol if you want to give up part of your steady income in order to get a share of whatever tips come in
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at the date posted:*tips fedora*
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Jabor posted:if you get tips it's an excuse for your employer to cut your wages (since you're getting tips to make up the difference) when i was a tipped employee in NC the minimum hourly wage was $2.13. It was eventually raised to $3.15 or something. this is what your employer owed you for your time, however if that amount plus tips was less than the regular minimum wage of $7.25 then they had to make up the difference. this is almost completely impossible unless you were terrible at your job or it was just really slow
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Dislike button posted:when i was a tipped employee in NC the minimum hourly wage was $2.13. It was eventually raised to $3.15 or something. this is what your employer owed you for your time, however if that amount plus tips was less than the regular minimum wage of $7.25 then they had to make up the difference. this is almost completely impossible unless you were terrible at your job or it was just really slow This is a loving terrible system that punishes people who try to do a good job. Tipping is loving awful. Just pay people a living goddamn wage.
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Sniep posted:i dont fully follow this statement Lol whoops, I'm on my phone, I meant Hawaii. Hahaha
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lol if you think some jackass owner is going to pay their waitstaff forty bucks an hour in wages in replacement of tips
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rjmccall posted:lol if you think some jackass owner is going to pay their waitstaff forty bucks an hour in wages in replacement of tips if the wait staff aren't getting tips they're gonna make up that income difference some other way, whether it's by getting paid fairly or by going elsewhere
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rjmccall posted:lol if you think some jackass owner is going to pay their waitstaff forty bucks an hour in wages in replacement of tips they will if we force them to using the law and evil evil socialism  vote 4 bernie-san
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Cocoa Crispies posted:if the wait staff aren't getting tips they're gonna make up that income difference some other way, whether it's by getting paid fairly or by going elsewhere lol let me just get in my job car and drive to the job store if you don't oppose restaurants being able to hedge their bets on payroll because of our ridic min wage laws preventing some of the most blatantly disrespected workers in the country from possibly earning ~~extra money~~ then get hosed
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