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KataraniSword posted:"Paladin"/Knight styled characters kind of zig-zag as far as their offensive power (Cecil was only second because your other melee options were the shitwrecker dragoon and the wussy ninja that wasn't very good at much of anything, but on the flipside FF5 Knights are one of the biggest beatsticks in the game, and then, well, General Leo.) but they're always top of the class defensively, meaning Beatrix already suggests that she's too tough to bring down easily, and then proceeds to open up a can of whoop-rear end all over your face and neck area. Bolding for emphasis. That's pretty much entirely what they were going for with Beatrix, from the buildup to her abilities in combat. She might be akin to the Knight class like Steiner but she is a General.
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Something I kind of like here is that we are throwing down with Beatrix for absolutely no stakes, other than, like, personal satisfaction and maybe the life of a dude she was probably going to spare anyway. We arrived far, far too late to make a difference. All we can hope to do is hold on long enough to be worth sparing. This makes Stock Break feel a lot less bullshit than a similar attack would be in other circumstances.
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Probably the most  of Final Fantasy villainous garb. E: You have to sign in to mooch off of imgur now? What's going on in the world today? Sum Mors fucked around with this message at 03:25 on Oct 22, 2015 |
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Oct 22, 2015 03:18
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I really love the Beatrix fight because of the build up. I also have 
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Fabulousvillain posted:I really love the Beatrix fight because of the build up. I also have If only there was some sort of guide back then to help him through it. I can't wait til Simon lays the brilliance on us this time.
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Oct 22, 2015 03:46
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Though Kuja was a chick until someone referred to him as 'he'. I forget when that happens but I get the feeling it is some ways into the game, it's been years since I played 9.
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"This guy has the hair of Sephiroth, the theatricality of Kefka, the androgyny of Emperor Mateus, and the utter glee from being evil of Exdeath." That is the BEST description of Kuja ever. He literally just oozes drama. And man, disc 1 seems to fly by before you realize it. From theater ship, to a creepy wood where a friend gets turned to stone saving you, to a town with an underground factory, to a town within a castle, and then to a destroyed, broken kingdom of eternal rain. And then you throw down with a lady who is so well-known that even a guard clearly goes "...wait, WHAT?! OH CRAP." I forgot how much stuff is packed into just the first disc. I want to say disc 2 lightens in tone, but then I remember that we still don't know what's happening to Dagger and Steiner after they get on the train, and then this whole business with Cleyra, which is where the game is clearly pushing us. Looking forward to seeing what things I missed, or just plain didn't catch when I first played. And yes, Kuja wins all the awards for the sheer 'wtf-ery' of his outfit, 'cause a metal thong CANNOT be comfortable.
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Kuja's outfit is definitely something, I'll say that much. And yeah, Beatrix is a monster. When they say she killed 100 people effortlessly, they are not loving with you. Shock is no joke. I never got that Oak Staff on Disc 1, though. I should try that sometime.
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sleepy.eyes posted:Though Kuja was a chick until someone referred to him as 'he'. I forget when that happens but I get the feeling it is some ways into the game, it's been years since I played 9. His textboxes are attributed to "Mystery Man" before anyone says his name.
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ultrafilter posted:His textboxes are attributed to "Mystery Man" before anyone says his name. That must have been what confused me then. "What man, all I see is three chicks?" Never the less, it took me some time for the penny to drop. What that says about me is up to you!
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Oct 22, 2015 05:02
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Kuja was basically a blob of white and purple colour for me thanks to my bad TV so the CG movie was my first good look at him. "Is he wearing a...? Huh."
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Oct 22, 2015 05:23
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Back when I first played this game something that seriously bothered me about Beatrix is that she's this enormously powerful force that is single handedly allowing/supporting Brahne's nonsense, and you never get to kick her rear end for it, once and for all. She just pounds on you forever until plot happens. A Beatrix vs Steiner "who is the true knight" fight scene would rule but it never happens. 
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Oct 22, 2015 05:24
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Kuja is basically the best.
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Oct 22, 2015 05:24
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I can't not think of We Will Rock You when that cut scene is playing.
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Poulpe posted:Back when I first played this game something that seriously bothered me about Beatrix is that she's this enormously powerful force that is single handedly allowing/supporting Brahne's nonsense, and -spoiler- Thematically, Beatrix and Steiner have the same basic problem but arrive to their conclusions about it in their own way.
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Oct 22, 2015 05:59
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Beatrix and Steiner are the sword and shield of Alexandria, respectively.
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I know people love to rag on his design but Kuja is actually a pretty good villain.
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Mega64 posted:This seems pretty lame until you realize Stop doesn't wear off in this game, making Stop essentially an instant death spell (albeit one that doesn't give rewards other than AP). If there are multiple enemies in a fight, can you Stop one to prevent it from attacking, then kill it to receive xp? Or when you cast Stop on an enemy does it hard-code it to not give xp and items?
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Captain Bravo posted:If there are multiple enemies in a fight, can you Stop one to prevent it from attacking, then kill it to receive xp? Or when you cast Stop on an enemy does it hard-code it to not give xp and items? I'm PRETTY sure they remain on the battlefield and can still be damaged (unlike with Petrify), so presumably you can kill them to get the exp/gil/items that would've been lost otherwise. I can't be sure about that, so someone else might want to test it. EDIT: Just went and tested it. Fought a group of 3 enemies, killed them, looked for that same group of enemies, Stopped one and killed it before killing the other two. Got the same amount of experience for both fights. So yeah, as long as you off the Stopped monster first, you still get experience and stuff for it. Bufuman fucked around with this message at 07:58 on Oct 22, 2015 |
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Captain Bravo posted:If there are multiple enemies in a fight, can you Stop one to prevent it from attacking, then kill it to receive xp? Or when you cast Stop on an enemy does it hard-code it to not give xp and items? You HAVE to kill it before killing the other enemies first, as the fight finishes if the only enemy remaining is stopped. If you Stop all the enemies, the fight ends too.
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Bad Seafood posted:I know people love to rag on his design but Kuja is actually a pretty good villain. You know what they did to make Kuja even cooler in Dissidia? He had like eight glowing energy balls rolling around him in patterns at all times as he floated around. Loved that.
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Speedball posted:You know what they did to make Kuja even cooler in Dissidia? He had like eight glowing energy balls rolling around him in patterns at all times as he floated around. Loved that. He also got a gym membership, although he still kept that hourglass figure that would make many a woman envious.  He might be the most androgynous man in the world but Kuja is probably my favorite FF villain for various reasons. Few people could pull off that outfit while still remaining intimidating.
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I love Kuja but I always wondered why he has two feathers growing in the middle of his head.
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The end of this disc is superb. It does such a great job of taking our heroes to their lowest lows. Freya's home has been destroyed, Vivi's still torn up about the black mages being used for war, Zidane and Dagger are as far apart as they've ever been, Dagger has no idea how evil her mum has got, there's a new super evil guy on the scene and the team just had their poo poo wrecked by the best soldier in the world who by the way is still around to kick their rear end if they get back up again. No other RPG (or video game in general) has ever managed to capture the sense of hopelessness seen here. Also Mystery Sword is epically good.
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Winklebottom posted:I love Kuja but I always wondered why he has two feathers growing in the middle of his head. It could just be something he wears, a la a weave?
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Winklebottom posted:I love Kuja but I always wondered why he has two feathers growing in the middle of his head.
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Kuja has the dumbest outfit in FF history, and that's saying a lot. There's more clothing on his arms than his torso!
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Nebrilos posted:I can't not think of We Will Rock You when that cut scene is playing. It always reminds me of one of the soundtracks from 7.
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U.T. Raptor posted:Kuja has the dumbest outfit in FF history, and that's saying a lot. I'm on phone or I'd grab that picture of Nooj that popped up in the FFVII thread. Remember the artist we're talking about here. If there's even such thing as dumbest, not wearing much does not cut it. 
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I don't believe Akihiko Yoshida was the main artist for FF9, but nonetheless, his spirit is strong in Kuja's appearance. Gotta rock the butt-baring wardrobe like nobody's business. Yet Kuja is the best main villain in the FF series hands-down, regardless of how much of his butt we can see.
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It's a shame that after telling the Burmecian soldier she'd show him no mercy she does exactly that to the party. I guess I can understand her leaving one of the party alive but she should at least murdered Quina, it would give him some meaning in the game!
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Disc 1's cliffhanger is sublime. I love it so much. I think Disc 2 opens waaaay too soft afterwards, but that's neither here nor there. Kuja's androgyny is staggering. Also, the opening to Burmecia is just begging for a *~cinemagraph~*: 
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 CHAPTER SEVEN: "Good shoot!" shouted Gitan at the glove man.  gently caress.     poo poo!   Goddamn!  Is this seriously how you're gonna treat me?  Okay, finally.  Phoenix Downs revive with anywhere from 1 to 10 HP. Quark has a spell that only works at 1 HP.  I'd kinda like to use it for, you know, the boss of Gizamaluke's Grotto, the vicious Grotto.  This is one of two Blue Magic spells to see regular use at level 1, the other of which is set-up for it. Why?  Well, it's one of three moves in the game that can deal a fixed 9,999 damage. Its condition is that Quark must be at 1 HP, or it fails. Grotto only has 3,175 HP.  gently caress this anteater motherfucker!  Kukri does kick Tinhank from inside the sack and Tinhank is all "dang anteater gets to live... this time...."  I have nimble fingers in the most meaningless of circumstances.   Anyway, back to Gitan and friends.  It involves a lot of fleeing as I head towards the beach.  Eventually I do reach the chocobo tracks mostly intact. Except Quark died once or twice but who cares.  Choco inhales so much weed haze he turns blue. Ok. I'm accepting this.  BTW I have to avoid this Type A fight again. And I'll have to dodge it again going back to Burmecia.  Bio is Papito's best damage spell until disc 3, where the concept of Vivi dealing damage goes away, and Drain is useless as he'll live in a binary of full HP or dead. Stop, however, is mandatory. Both because it works far, far better than the Needle Fork, and there are swaths of disc 2 only possible with this specific Oak Staff.  21 defense is a hell of a lot for this point in the game, and auto-potion is incredibly useful at level 1. With this, if Papito isn't being instantly KOed he's going to recover all his HP and live forever.  I know where all the stellazio are by heart. I hope. If I miss one I'll be very embarrassed.  Another mandatory fight with a pair of Type As, but this time, I've got a better stick.  At 800 gil a pop this is kind of overkill, frankly.  Stop's fancy effects prevent you from knowing if the spell worked until this gray clock face fades. It's unbearably tense.  But if it works on the last enemy, the command menu disappears and it's a really sweet feeling. Stop has a 47-enemy level% chance of success at Papito's level 1 stats, and I can up this to 48% with clever equipment manipulation. Focus would boost this chance by about 2% on its first use and up to 65-level% chance if I have him Focus to 99 magic. The highest level enemy He'll need to Stop is level 36.  Antibody won't be particularly useful but Quark has little else to do with magic stones.  BTW the rest of Burmecia is fleeing.  I really don't need this spear since by the time Ratchel needs to jab something she'll have another, stronger spear, but it's free. I can't believe that this is the only time Ratchel's relevant this update. Quark and Papito are just stealing the show.  I buy from the mogshop, of course. I get one Bronze Vest because why the hell not. It's not like there's a free one that would be easy to get now that I have Stop.  And then, Phoenix Down RNG again.  ...   Okay there are a few dozen more resets in there but you get the idea.  Then... everyone gets nude.  I said something about making a video of the Beatrix fight so here it is.  click me. TL;DW Limit Glove.  DISC 2: ROMANCE, INTRIGUE, TERROR, THE HARDEST loving PART OF THE CHALLENGE LIES IN WAIT REGISTER OF RESETS: One to Tidal Flame Garnet for the hell of it; Unknown number lost to plant spiders spawn numbers; died to Flans without Flee; Untimely crit pushed Sealion to fatally Blizzara; less work to suicide on optional Type A fight than to win or reset; incredible number of resets for phoenix down RNG; and then again.
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Low level runs make such wonderfully schadenfreudige LPs.  E: VVV Thank you! 
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The adjective for Schadenfreude is schadenfreudig, plural (and female) schadenfreudige.FeyerbrandX posted:If only there was some sort of guide back then to help him through it. Gonna preface from now on to prevent possible confusion: I'm quoting from the Excalibur 2 Perfect Game Guide! This is how not to only beat the game at low level, but to also make a speedrun of it, and how to also not miss any missable items! It's elaborate as hell and maybe slightly insane! There is actually nothing for this part I can offer which wasn't covered by the LP and OFS, as it's pretty straightforward. The guide of course gets all missable items and does everything really quickly, but nothing stands out as particularly extreme compared to a "normal" Level 1 game (though of course you are expected to save halfway to locations, reload to reset the encounter rate, and reload again whenever you still do get an encounter). So I'll leave you with boss strategies we've seen as written by the guide because I think it's actually pretty funny (and in Beatrix' case, informative). Also, that formating, man! Gizamaluke: code:code:Oh, one thing about the Bells: code:
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I know word salad captures the insanity of it all but I feel like the reset register should be bullet points. Partially because I'd like to see how long the listing can get.
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Simply Simon posted:The adjective for Schadenfreude is schadenfreudig, plural (and female) schadenfreudige. Endorph posted:cock.
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Speaking of Kuja having silly outfits, here's his alternate costume in Dissidia.
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Hobgoblin2099 posted:Speaking of Kuja having silly outfits, here's his alternate costume in Dissidia. I don't think he ever wears it in FF9 but it does take relevance to a particular place as a callback aesthetically.
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He doesn't wear it in-game, no.
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