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QuarkJets posted:No, that's not what I'm saying at all you strawmanning bastard. Maybe go back and read my posts again? More effective, yes. But it was going to win anyway because by the time people became aware of Stalin's legacy it was long after America has started the anti-Communist doctrine. Gramsci predicted the hegemony and it was then practised. And a straw man is not necessarily a fallacy, especially since there's a valid case that I'm using reductio ad absurdum. QuarkJets posted:Another strawman argument? I'm not actually going down the road of suggesting that Holodomor was intentional genocide, like you seem to be implying. And trying to attribute the entirety of the 1932 Soviet famine to weather is simply laughable Historians mention natural disasters. What was the natural disaster that Stalin caused. Did that motherfucker summon a volcano? I hate4 it when Stalin does that. QuarkJets posted:Oh god another strawman argument, jesus christ. I never said that Stalin should be "a good little kid" or whatever the gently caress you're trying to imply with that loaded statement. Remember how I said that the capitalist propaganda machine would be in full swing regardless but that its effectiveness was enhanced by Stalin's actions? Of course you don't, because you apparently didn't actually read my post. Oh I read it, but it's horseshit. You specifically ignore the two instances PRIOR to the revelations of Stalin's crimes I mentioned. Italy and the Philippines. Italy was 1947, Philippines was 1946. Kruschev's secret speech was 1956. Tell me about this time machine that the CIA used to suppress democracy with ease because of Stalin's crimes. QuarkJets posted:Not the sole reason, no. My argument is that he played a significant impeding role. My argument is that's bullshit if you look at US intervention in the world in the 20th century.
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Tesseraction you're a terrible Khrushchevite but I love you
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Oct 22, 2015 20:55
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Tesseraction posted:Historians mention natural disasters. What was the natural disaster that Stalin caused. Did that motherfucker summon a volcano? I hate4 it when Stalin does that. Everyone knows that Stalin had earth- and ice-magic while Roosevelt had energy manipulation and could commune with birds (specifically eagles).
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Oct 22, 2015 21:01
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HorseLord posted:Tesseraction you're a terrible Khrushchevite Hey I keep askin' for your books/sources on Stalin so that's on you, buddy. 
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Oct 22, 2015 21:03
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QuarkJets posted:He'd be labeled as evil because 'COMMUNISM' but the propaganda machine wouldn't be nearly as effective without all of that blood. And if you don't need purges and poo poo to keep your government running and you don't wind up causing huge famines then more countries might have looked at communism as a viable solution, which would have further legitimized all socialist and communism-lite ideologies. Well I mean, strictly, all the other industrialised nations became so on the backs of enormous amounts of blood, but they also did it via colonialism and they did it sooner, so we can forget about/ignore all that conveniently because it doesn't matter when it's foreigns. So while Stalin is indeed poo poo, so is everyone else.
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O blessed probation, That frees us from these tired shackles, Of trolls and horse lords. Give us this day our jrodefeld, That we may mock him, and ask of him, "Hast thou hosed yon melon?" And let it be so, Amen.
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theshim posted:O blessed probation, haha I hadn't even noticed that when I read your post and lo and behold: PROBATION 10/22/15 03:14pm HorseLord "Somehow managing to poo poo up a jrodefeld thread" User loses posting privileges for 3 days. Exclamation Marx Lowtax Poor jrodefeld, used as a low water mark.
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Well at least that bullshit's over with.
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Did someone say communism is good?
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Nah, Hitler's perfect.
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"America has no human rights in its constitution." Looks at 1A. Alright then. Lol sure we've never changed the document we've made 27 major changes too. 10 of which were on day one.
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Why don't we just repeal the 14th amendment. Anti-miscegenation laws are a human right drat it.
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HorseLord posted:would you say that to paul robeson HorseLord posted:only joking you don't know who that is this is sitting on my desk right now 
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Oct 23, 2015 01:19
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Oct 23, 2015 01:20
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...he's been probated for hours.
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Oct 23, 2015 01:43
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Tesseraction posted:...he's been probated for hours. posting when others are powerless to respond is satisfying
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Oct 23, 2015 01:52
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SedanChair posted:posting when others are powerless to respond is satisfying Works for Jrod
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Have to say that the drunk communist was an interesting twist in this thread.
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asdf32 posted:Have to say that the drunk communist was an interesting twist in this thread. you are going to have to be waaaaaaaaaaaay more specific
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paragon1 posted:you are going to have to be waaaaaaaaaaaay more specific Recently I had a closet libertarian tell me that post scarcity society is impossible because the world of the matrix was a post scarcity society and obviously no one wants that! I kept my mouth shut because I wasnt yet drunk enough to openly debate him on the merits of locking up dissenters in a wachoski bros. movie marathon.
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Tesseraction posted:More effective, yes. In other words, you agree with the only point that I actually made, and the rest of your post is you imagining other points to argue against because you forgot to take your pills today
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Oct 23, 2015 07:35
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man 25 pages of this poo poo? jrod is loving you all over. he has thoroughly owned every last one of you
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echinopsis posted:man 25 pages of this poo poo? jrod is loving you all over. he has thoroughly owned every last one of you Uhhh excuse me, ever heard of a little thing called "I do no consent to joinder?"
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echinopsis posted:man 25 pages of this poo poo? jrod is loving you all over. he has thoroughly owned every last one of you We're choosing to post in a Libertarianism thread. That's self-ownership if I ever saw it.
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Nolanar posted:We're choosing to post in a Libertarianism thread. That's self-ownership if I ever saw it. For some (caros) it's more of a compulsion than a choice
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echinopsis posted:man 25 pages of this poo poo? jrod is loving you all over. he has thoroughly owned every last one of you RuanGacho posted:Recently I had a closet libertarian tell me that post scarcity society is impossible because the world of the matrix was a post scarcity society and obviously no one wants that!
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QuarkJets posted:For some (caros) it's more of a compulsion than a choice Why you gotta kink shame? That aside this came up in the USpol thread and I think it's worth making fun of here, behold the logical endpoint of self ownership. Fetal Eviction: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4VJ3JuJaig&t=170s 
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Caros posted:Why you gotta kink shame? Mentioning a kink is not the same as shaming it, dork
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Vindicator posted:Surely the market should be free to decide which ideologies get shat on? Nah man, white twenty year olds who recieved a B- in microeconomics should
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echinopsis posted:man 25 pages of this poo poo? jrod is loving you all over. he has thoroughly owned every last one of you He's been doing it to us since before the last presidential election It could be argued that we love it
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SedanChair posted:He's been doing it to us since before the last presidential election We have entered joinder
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drat it y'all broke jrod's new "I'm more leftist than thou, watch me namedrop Lysander Spooner while I quote fascists" stratagem when you called him out on ranking Middle Eastern slave-state dictatorships "more free" than the US because slavery is profitable, I don't think he's coming back 
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His worst posts need to be preserved for posterity. The big reason he broke out of the containment thread is that it was too easy for us to find all of his terrible opinions and hit him in the face with them. He wants his support for the UAE and Qatar to be forgotten before he starts his next thread.
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Nolanar posted:His worst posts need to be preserved for posterity. The big reason he broke out of the containment thread is that it was too easy for us to find all of his terrible opinions and hit him in the face with them. He wants his support for the UAE and Qatar to be forgotten before he starts his next thread. Attention moderators: I am starting a new thread because I have important things to say that need to be liberated from the lefist aggression....
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Nolanar posted:His worst posts need to be preserved for posterity. The big reason he broke out of the containment thread is that it was too easy for us to find all of his terrible opinions and hit him in the face with them.
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VitalSigns posted:drat it y'all broke jrod's new "I'm more leftist than thou, watch me namedrop Lysander Spooner while I quote fascists" stratagem when you called him out on ranking Middle Eastern slave-state dictatorships "more free" than the US because slavery is profitable, I don't think he's coming back Is it too much to hope he's actually doing what he said, lurking, and actually trying to understand the community? . . . Probably. 
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E-Tank posted:Is it too much to hope he's actually doing what he said, lurking, and actually trying to understand the community? I'm personally hoping he got embarrassed at the whole "I will fight you irl" thing but I'm an optimist at heart.
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He's actually dedicated his time and effort to finding and fighting Dickeye (current username: Literally the Worst) in real life. Assuming Dickeye consents to joinder of fisticuffs, of course. Can't violate that non-aggression principle!!
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What is the Libertarian theory on gladiatorial combat to the death? It was historically done by slaves so obviously Libertarians are cool with that as long as the owner freely chooses to risk his property for profit or merely sport. But what about the occasional freeman who wants to have a go in the ring? Can you actually consent in advance to possibly being killed in a fight wherein you're actively battling to avoid death? (This is different from assisted suicide, which requires the patient himself to commit the final button-press to trigger the lethal gas, if the doctor intervened at the last minute and did it for him that would be murder). It would seem that if you own your body, you can consent to it being destroyed. Can you withdraw the consent at any time during the battle? (Courts are usually reluctant to enforce specific performance, although perhaps Libertarian courts wouldn't be, if your body is treated like any other piece of property). If you can withdraw consent at any time, what happens if your opponent renders you unconscious or otherwise helpless before the killing blow so that you're no longer capable of expressing consent, is it murder if he goes on to kill you? Come back jrod, inquiring minds want to know.
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Tesseraction posted:He's actually dedicated his time and effort to finding and fighting Dickeye (current username: Literally the Worst) in real life. If Hoppe's "expunge the democrat and the race mixer" policy is anything to go by, simply advocating against Libertarianism counts as aggression. quote:In a covenant concluded among proprietor and community tenants for the purpose of protecting their private property, no such thing as a right to free (unlimited) speech exists, not even to unlimited speech on one's own tenant-property. One may say innumerable things and promote almost any idea under the sun, but naturally no one is permitted to advocate ideas contrary to the very purpose of the covenant of preserving and protecting private property, such as democracy and communism. There can be no tolerance toward democrats and communists in a libertarian social order. They will have to be physically separated and expelled from society. Likewise, in a covenant founded for the purpose of protecting family and kin, there can be no tolerance toward those habitually promoting lifestyles incompatible with this goal. They – the advocates of alternative, non-family and kin-centered lifestyles such as, for instance, individual hedonism, parasitism, nature-environment worship, homosexuality, or communism – will have to be physically removed from society, too, if one is to maintain a libertarian order.
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