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Pieces
Jan 25, 2011
Newfoundland & Labrador goverment pledges 2.5 million/year towards downpayment loans for low to moderate income earners to help them buy a house. 100-125 lucky applicants annually.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/paul-davis-downpayment-1.3283651

"Can't afford a house? The government will help you take on that pile of debt with an additional loan!"

Surprisingly the commenters are all shooting this down for being a terrible use of tax-payer money and an obvious vote-grab attempt by the PC party of NL.

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I would blow Dane Cook
Dec 26, 2008

Pieces posted:

Newfoundland & Labrador goverment pledges 2.5 million/year towards downpayment loans for low to moderate income earners to help them buy a house. 100-125 lucky applicants annually.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/paul-davis-downpayment-1.3283651

"Can't afford a house? The government will help you take on that pile of debt with an additional loan!"

Surprisingly the commenters are all shooting this down for being a terrible use of tax-payer money and an obvious vote-grab attempt by the PC party of NL.

Perhaps they should be buying dog houses? :downsrim:

McGavin
Sep 18, 2012

Jumpingmanjim posted:

Perhaps they should be buying dog houses? :downsrim:

You mean like these?

I would blow Dane Cook
Dec 26, 2008
Can anyone comment on whether banks could (or would) make margin calls on mortgagors in negative equity? Kind of like how it is done with Share trading with margin.

cowofwar
Jul 30, 2002

by Athanatos

Pieces posted:

Newfoundland & Labrador goverment pledges 2.5 million/year towards downpayment loans for low to moderate income earners to help them buy a house. 100-125 lucky applicants annually.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/paul-davis-downpayment-1.3283651

"Can't afford a house? The government will help you take on that pile of debt with an additional loan!"

Surprisingly the commenters are all shooting this down for being a terrible use of tax-payer money and an obvious vote-grab attempt by the PC party of NL.
Wow that's pretty dumb.

Square Peg
Nov 11, 2008

Pieces posted:

Newfoundland & Labrador goverment pledges 2.5 million/year towards downpayment loans for low to moderate income earners to help them buy a house. 100-125 lucky applicants annually.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/paul-davis-downpayment-1.3283651

"Can't afford a house? The government will help you take on that pile of debt with an additional loan!"

Surprisingly the commenters are all shooting this down for being a terrible use of tax-payer money and an obvious vote-grab attempt by the PC party of NL.

Isn't it, like, fraud to finance a down payment with a loan? Doesn't that defeat the whole point of a down payment?
Dumb dumb dumb.

Rick Rickshaw
Feb 21, 2007

I am not disappointed I lost the PGA Championship. Nope, I am not.

Square Peg posted:

Isn't it, like, fraud to finance a down payment with a loan? Doesn't that defeat the whole point of a down payment?
Dumb dumb dumb.

I mentioned a couple of months ago in this very thread that a coworker of mine did a 100% finance mortgage. I don't understand how it's allowed or legal but it happened? :iiam:

Mozi
Apr 4, 2004

Forms change so fast
Time is moving past
Memory is smoke
Gonna get wider when I die
Nap Ghost
I'll gladly play for your house today, for two houses tomorrow.

Wistful of Dollars
Aug 25, 2009

http://calgaryherald.com/life/swerv...macy-to-renting

quote:

The purchase of a home has transcended its status as a financial transaction and instead become both a moral imperative and a conspicuous marker of social virtue, and there’s a whole order of secular priests ready to preach the gospel should anyone’s faith start to wobble. Entire television networks are dedicated to celebrating the various aspects of ownership, from the financial joys of flipping a house to the esthetic pleasures of a well-executed renovation. And you can always count on a well-meaning relative, whose experience with home ownership has almost certainly made them wealthier than they deserve to be, to tell you all about why buying a home is better than renting one. But here’s the thing: it isn’t.

:chanpop:

Baronjutter
Dec 31, 2007

"Tiny Trains"

I will not be doing the last point on that list, sorry.

namaste friends
Sep 18, 2004

by Smythe
Artem Bytchkov. Now that's a name.

ianmacdo
Oct 30, 2012

Jumpingmanjim posted:

Can anyone comment on whether banks could (or would) make margin calls on mortgagors in negative equity? Kind of like how it is done with Share trading with margin.

The banks would not.
If the whole housing market gets hosed the banks would rather have the fake value of the mortgage as a positive on their books rather then the actual value of the house. Plus they would have to pay the property taxes ect...
Remember all those people in the US who got evicted and then the banks didn't follow through on the foreclosure.

ocrumsprug
Sep 23, 2010

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

ianmacdo posted:

The banks would not.
If the whole housing market gets hosed the banks would rather have the fake value of the mortgage as a positive on their books rather then the actual value of the house. Plus they would have to pay the property taxes ect...
Remember all those people in the US who got evicted and then the banks didn't follow through on the foreclosure.

This is probably not entirely true in Canada. There are federal OSFI requirements regarding loan to value ratios that they need to maintain. In the event of a market collapse in Vancouver, there are going to be a lot of people that are going to need to write a fairly sizable cheque to their bank when their mortgage comes up for renewal.

Lexicon
Jul 29, 2003

I had a beer with Stephen Harper once and now I like him.

ocrumsprug posted:

This is probably not entirely true in Canada. There are federal OSFI requirements regarding loan to value ratios that they need to maintain. In the event of a market collapse in Vancouver, there are going to be a lot of people that are going to need to write a fairly sizable cheque to their bank when their mortgage comes up for renewal.

good luck with that

MiddleOne
Feb 17, 2011

Square Peg posted:

Isn't it, like, fraud to finance a down payment with a loan? Doesn't that defeat the whole point of a down payment?
Dumb dumb dumb.

Nope, completely legal. As for why :iiam:

Huzanko
Aug 4, 2015

by FactsAreUseless
Would anyone be so kind as to explain, to an ignorant American, how Stephen Harper had been PM for almost 10 years? He sure seems like a right oval office.

namaste friends
Sep 18, 2004

by Smythe

Noam Chomsky posted:

Would anyone be so kind as to explain, to an ignorant American, how Stephen Harper had been PM for almost 10 years? He sure seems like a right oval office.

The left wing vote is split between the liberals and the NDP. Hence Harper becoming PM with roughly 30% of Canadians actually voting for his party.

namaste friends
Sep 18, 2004

by Smythe
http://www.metronews.ca/news/toront...ervice%3Dmobile

quote:

Fake homeless shelter pops up in affluent Toronto neighbourhood leaving residents in tears

Residents were caught on a hidden camera as part of a stunt to raise awareness about homelessness.

When a notice went up in a wealthy Toronto neighbourhood announcing a homeless shelter would be opening there soon, it upset some local residents so much they cried.

And that was before they learned it was a hidden-camera stunt, set up to publicize the issue of homeless ahead of Election Day.
On Friday, Leaside residents woke up to find a former Sleep Country store on Bayview Avenue covered in construction hoarding. On it, there was a sign announcing the privately-funded Jefferson Homeless Shelter would open on Nov. 1, offering 62 beds and hot meals, run by a volunteer staff of three.

A hole in the in wood siding concealed a hidden camera.

Residents noticed the sign immediately, said Ted Stuebing, who runs the community news outlet The South Bayview Bulldog. Many contacted him and their local councillor with concerns.

“People were very upset, people were crying,” he said.

Stuebing went by the area and spoke with a young lady, who claimed she worked for the shelter. When he told her he didn’t think there were 62 homeless people in the neighbourhood to fill the beds, she said the shelter would bus them in.

That sounds outlandish, but outlandish things do happen, so that doesn’t mean it wasn’t true, he said.
But it wasn’t. On Saturday, a different notice went up.

“You told us you don’t want a shelter here. Neither do we. Support us in creating long-term solutions. Let’s end homelessness,” it said, and gave a link to Raising the Roof’s website.

Advertising agency Leo Burnett is doing some pro-bono work for the charity to dispel common myths and misconceptions around homelessness, said charity director Carolann Barr.

Several cameras hidden around the area captured residents’ reactions to the idea of a having a homeless shelter nearly in their backyards and those reactions will be used in a film that will be released on Oct 12.

“The purpose of that is to release it just before the election, to get voters to really think about homelessness and what their local leaders and federal leaders are doing about that issue,” Barr said.

Residents’ faces will be blurred, she said.

Stuebing said he believes the stunt went off just as planned, eliciting the reactions that the directors hoped for, but it left residents feeling deceived.

As for those who were upset at the idea of homeless people in their neighbourhood, Barr said they hope they learn from the experience that anyone can become homeless in their lives due to circumstance and they shouldn’t fear homeless people.

“I hope they investigate the issue more and realize we all have a role in helping the vulnerable in our society,” she said.

This isn't the charity's first campaign. Raising the Roof is also behind a campaign where real homeless people read out mean tweets about homelessness.

And here I am, wrong all along in thinking Vancouverites are the worst walking talking piles of human garbage in Canada.

:qq:

namaste friends fucked around with this message at 02:41 on Oct 24, 2015

namaste friends
Sep 18, 2004

by Smythe
http://www.theguardian.com/business...p_Add_to_Pocket

quote:

Mortgage rate rises are too little, too late to save Australia's bloated banking sector

In Australia, the big four banks are joining the mortgage interest rate hike bandwagon to boost additional capital in what is truly a high-risk banking and financial system.

Simply put, when it comes to lending, banks are facilitators. On the front end, banks’ assets are generated by providing credit (debt) to homebuyers and charging a specific rate of interest. On the back end, banks have liabilities derived from depositors and wholesale lenders, fetching an interest rate which is lower than that charged to homebuyers. The banks earn the difference in revenue.

Australian households owe creditors an unconsolidated $1.97tn as of the second quarter of 2015, comprised primarily of mortgages with a remainder of personal loans. Relative to GDP, this amounts to 121.5%, and the proportion increased by 150 basis points every quarter over the past year. Given this historically and internationally large stock of household debt, the banks are earning mega dollars via net interest rate margins.

Related: How the banks ignored the lessons of the crash | Joris Luyendijk

Australian banks are raking in record-breaking profits due to the sheer volume of mortgage debt issued to homebuyers and residential property investors. This is the primary reason housing prices in Australia are at record levels, relative to inflation, rents and household income: a housing bubble generated by debt-financed speculation. Today, our banks are more exposed to the risk of a shock to the housing market than in any other moment in Australia’s economic history.

There are various reasons for banks to increase mortgage interest rates without a shift in the cash rate set by the Reserve Bank. In Australia’s case, policymakers and the prudential regulator, Apra, woke up – 17 years too late. They finally realised our banks would not be able to withstand a financial shock based on the colossal stock of mortgage and other debts on their balance sheets relative to the amount of security they have to defend their businesses in the event of a severe economic downturn.

To improve the ability of the big four banks to weather a financial storm, Apra has told them to hold more capital against the risks they have accumulated by lending out so much debt to the household sector. This explains the raising of capital to marginally reduce the risks inherent to each of their balance sheets, valued into the hundreds of billions of dollars.

Put another way, this would be like asking someone who lives payday to payday with a $400,000 mortgage, earning $70,000 a year with only $10,000 in savings, to put an extra $20 a week away in the kitty. If he or she loses their job, they are then supposed to magically come up with thousands of dollars to continue to fund the mortgage payments and other living expenses while looking for work. It makes no sense because the individual has placed themselves in a situation where they live beyond their means and increasing liquidity buffers will simply not be enough.

For many Australians, it may sound reassuring that Apra is seeking to make the banks fundamentally stronger – but there is bad news. With the implementation of macroprudential regulations, our banks will now go from being as fundamentally weak as the failed Anglo Irish Bank in 2007 to now holding enough capital to rival the risk profile of what was a much safer and famed global financial institution – Lehman Brothers.

In the short term, it’s not going to help and the RBA should have never cut the cash rate to record lows to stimulate the already vastly overvalued and overleveraged housing sector at the cost of screwing depositors. If anything, the big four banks are too big to fail. Their mortgage books are too large to save without nationalisation, regardless of RBA backstops and bailout mechanisms already in place – namely the so-called committed liquidity facility.

According to the Basel agreements that bind banking institutions around the world, banks may make their own internal (opaque) assessments of the future risk of default for home owners. Australia’s big four banks and Apra are particularly fond of this method, and the vast majority of housing loans in the mortgage portfolio are assessed using the internal ratings-based (IRB) approach that allows estimates of probability of default, loss given default and exposure at default.

Related: Today the great Australian dream is owning a home loan (or two) | Greg Jericho

Unfortunately the Basel algorithm to assess a banks internal risk profile is not specifically designed for a banking system so heavily leveraged towards a housing market like Australia’s. Hence the methodology more than likely underestimates the true risks that lie within our banks’ balance sheet while they continue to allow property speculators to increase leverage. A clear example is that buyers can still unlock newly found (but illiquid) equity of properties in their portfolios to be pledged as 20% collateral against a new mortgage for another purchase.

This is a pyramid or Ponzi scheme, that puts the speculator at risk of owing more to a bank than their property portfolio is worth (negative equity). This presents a clear and present danger to the banking and financial system, depositors, taxpayers and welfare of millions of Australians who have borrowed on a large scale as residential land prices escalate. The horse well and truly bolted from the stable a long time ago, and Apra is conducting 11th hour operations to save face.

LOL sorry Jumpingmanjim

Juul-Whip
Mar 10, 2008

Noam Chomsky posted:

Would anyone be so kind as to explain, to an ignorant American, how Stephen Harper had been PM for almost 10 years? He sure seems like a right oval office.
The Liberal Party which governed Canada from 1993-2006, was voted out in the wake of a corruption scandal. The recently-formed Conservative Party, a union of the Reform Party and the Progressive Conservative Party, led by Harper, was elected to a minority government promising transparency and accountability. They delivered neither, but the Liberals were plagued by a series of terrible leaders and backroom power struggles, so they were not seen as a credible/competent alternative for some time. In addition, the Conservative Party employed sophisticated tactics and information gathering techniques, which allowed them to identify and target potential supporters in key districts, without wasting resources on unlikely supporters or voters in unwinnable districts. The other parties took a long time to catch up to the Conservatives' superior and well-funded campaign machine.

In 2011, still angry at the Liberals for their past corruption, unimpressed by their feckless leader Michael Ignatieff, and frustrated with the Bloc Québécois (the popular alternative to the Liberals at the time), Québec voters unexpectedly flocked to the New Democratic Party, then led by the popular and charismatic Jack Layton. This kicked off a bandwagon effect in the rest of Canada in which many past Liberal voters switched to the NDP. The NDP had its best election result ever by a huge margin that year, but unfortunately vote splitting between the Liberals and NDP was a big factor in key suburban ridings outside Québec. Also, with the Liberal party's popularity in an apparent freefall, many past Liberal voters who feared the possibility of an NDP government voted Conservative to block it. This resulted in a Conservative majority government from 2011-2015.

Juul-Whip fucked around with this message at 03:09 on Oct 24, 2015

I would blow Dane Cook
Dec 26, 2008

Cultural Imperial posted:

The left wing vote is split between the liberals and the NDP. Hence Harper becoming PM with roughly 30% of Canadians actually voting for his party.

quote:

Opinion
Will Trudeau destroy the first-past-the-post ring of power?
Electoral reform would make minority governments and associated co-operation the norm, Alon Weinberg writes


http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/canada-election-first-past-the-post-opinion-1.3283979

quote:

Justin don't put the ring on.
Despite what Harper tells you, you'll be seduced by it's dark powers.
Take the ring to Mordor, now known as Fort Mac and cast back into to tar sands from where Harper had forged.

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

lmao even the canadian media can't resist comparing Albertans to Orcs

Juul-Whip
Mar 10, 2008

They've been calling it Mordor since 2002

Professor Shark
May 22, 2012

This is prime gif material

Kafka Esq.
Jan 1, 2005

"If you ever even think about calling me anything but 'The Crab' I will go so fucking crab on your ass you won't even see what crab'd your crab" -The Crab(TM)
Holy poo poo, we need to do that for the new Canpol.

Wistful of Dollars
Aug 25, 2009

I already came up with that joke on election night. :v:

Craptacular!
Jul 9, 2001

Fuck the DH

Noam Chomsky posted:

Would anyone be so kind as to explain, to an ignorant American, how Stephen Harper had been PM for almost 10 years? He sure seems like a right oval office.

Ralph Nader. Remember him in 2000? Right.

namaste friends
Sep 18, 2004

by Smythe
Holy loving poo poo people be losing their loving minds

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/home-and-garden/real-estate/buyers-crawling-over-each-other-for-vancouver-bungalow/article26951419/

quote:

Buyers ‘crawling over each other’ for Vancouver bungalow

4595 RUPERT ST., VANCOUVER

LISTING PRICE $975,000

SELLING PRICE $1,128,000

DAYS ON MARKET Seven

TAXES $4,471

LISTING AGENT Keith Roy, Re/Max Select Realty

The Action: Listing agent Keith Roy had sold the house a year ago and his client didn’t make any renovations. He held a Thursday night showing for agents and two weekend open houses. He received 13 offers. “After a few rounds of negotiations it finally sold without any conditions,” Mr. Roy said. “There were over 300 people who attended, so they were crawling over each other.”

What They Got: This 2,301-square-foot house has three bedrooms on the main floor and two bedrooms in the basement. Built in 1961, the bungalow is across from a park and close to SkyTrain, shops, Highway 1 and schools. The roof is six years old and the appliances are fairly new. It also has a mountain view.

The Agent’s Take: “The market for housing in East Vancouver is largely driven by a sense of fear that if you don’t buy a house now, you’ll be priced out of the market forever,” Mr. Roy said. “By leveraging that sense of scarcity, we were able to limit showings, drive lots of traffic and get our clients a very healthy return on their investment. Whenever we see [an opportunity] in the market for our clients, we encourage them to take advantage of it.”

This house is a loving dump located in what amounts to a loving dump neigbourhood.

Vancouver's bubble is never going to pop at this rate! Prices will keep going up! Buy now or be priced out forever!

I would blow Dane Cook
Dec 26, 2008
Kill them all C.I, kill them all.

Lexicon
Jul 29, 2003

I had a beer with Stephen Harper once and now I like him.
I have a hard time imagining things ever changing in Vancouver. It's one thing for the Canadian housing situation to normalize, but when you have an entire city so singularly obsessed with real estate, and with untold amounts of pent up demand - there's no obvious end in sight. Madness.

PC LOAD LETTER
May 23, 2005
WTF?!
CA 2005 was about the same. People would audition, I'm not kidding, to sellers in order to buy homes. As in writing actual letters pitching their buy, scheduling an appointment to audition, and then showing up on said date with friends and family to present themselves to the buyer. The seller that was most well liked (and was willing to bid the most) usually got the house though I think there were a few cases where the buyers were asking for lowered prices and made a pity play to get the house. It was bizzzaarrrreee.

I would blow Dane Cook
Dec 26, 2008



quote:


If sellers needed evidence of just how much the market has changed they need look no further than 7 Bloomfield Street, Surry Hills.

In March first-home buyer Doi Kim, 25, took a punt on the derelict one-bedroom terrace, paying a hefty $840,000 – $140,000 above reserve – to secure the home.

But after realising just how small the property was he decided to sell and unwittingly found himself a vendor in a very different market.

Although relieved to see six buyers register to bid on Saturday, Mr Kim knew they would have to dig deep for him to get out financially unscathed. Mr Kim, however, had added considerable value by obtaining development approval to add a second storey to the home.

Auctioneer Matthew Shalhoub from Under The Hammer called for an opening bid with “an eight in front of it” and promptly received it from a young architect, who then entered a bidding duel with another young couple.

Late in the game a serial property investor, who is a plumber by profession, came in with the highest bid of $900,000. Although it was below Mr Kim’s reserve, after some deliberation it was accepted.

The $900,000 sale price was cause for relief, not celebration.

After paying $840,000 Mr Kim spent $34,000 on stamp duty, $6500 on obtaining development approval to add another level, $3000 on painting . He also had other rates and fees.

“I broke even,” he said after the auction.

When asked if he could go back six months would he do it all again he promptly responded “no”.

“The market is getting too slow,” he said.

With backing from his mother, Gina Lim, he has since bought a larger terrace around the corner on Crown Street.

http://www.domain.com.au/news/young-buyer-breaks-even-at-auction-by-the-skin-of-his-teeth-20151024-gkhijw/

MiddleOne
Feb 17, 2011


Looks like something you'd expect to see in a favela.

I would blow Dane Cook
Dec 26, 2008
This is how I feel about the situation

Precambrian Video Games
Aug 19, 2002



The rise of Willowdale, Toronto's hottest new neighbourhood is a Star article that doesn't really say a whole lot except that houses are really expensive, although there are some amusing comments about how it's all the fault of rich Chinese and someone muttering about how million dollar homes are for the middle class :wtc:.

I lived around Bayview & Sheppard for many years of my misspent youth, and it was a decent enough semi-suburban neighbourhood until the pointless subway got built. Then the Bayview Village mall turned into a glitzy shitbox full of outrageously expensive clothing and furniture stores, and the few townhouses and apartments in the area saw families gradually displaced by students, since it's probably easier to find 3 youngsters to fork over $600/month for a single bedroom than a family to pay $1800. It's still interesting to walk around the area every few years and observe the gradual displacement of postwar bungalows by new monster homes. To be fair, they're not all hideous mini-McMansions (see 14 Citation Dr) - some are moderately tasteful (41 Citation Dr) or even somewhat attractive (35 Hawksbury Dr.

Why this is newsworthy to your average Star reader, I'm not sure. It kind of reminds me of how Now! Toronto's fashion articles feature $1,000 dollar pieces for no discernible reason. Unless you work in North York, I'm not clear why you would want to spend mid six-figures on a lot plus however many hundreds of thousands to rebuild your teardown:

quote:

All those new builds aren’t all bad, stresses land economist Conway.

Much of the city’s housing stock is aging out and not built to modern standards. They are tiny for today’s families, lack ensuite bathrooms and workable kitchens but, more importantly, they “just aren’t healthy.

“They aren’t insulated properly, some have asbestos and urea-formaldehyde so there’s good reason to rebuild many of them anyway.”

No ensuite or granite countertops?! No sale!

Precambrian Video Games
Aug 19, 2002



And on an unrelated note, I was trying to figure out how much the increasing home ownership rate is due to leaky, drafty glass-clad condos, but it wasn't blindingly obvious from the existing Statscan tables. I did find this curious, though:

quote:

Households in apartment buildings represented about a quarter (27.2%) of Canadian households. The majority of households (55.0%) lived in single-detached houses. Households in other structure types (row houses, semi-detached houses, duplexes, movable dwellings, and other single-attached dwellings) represented just under a fifth (17.8%) of Canadian households.

Combined with this table, which pegs ownership of single-detached houses at ~92%, it means that a little over half of Canadian households are owner-occupied single-detached houses. I'm not sure if that ratio is dropping or holding steady while more apartment-dwellers buy 300 sqft bachelor pads in Liberty Village.

HookShot
Dec 26, 2005

eXXon posted:

No ensuite or granite countertops?! No sale!
I hate the attitude towards real estate here as much as anyone else but I think there's a minor difference between "I want to tear this down because it doesn't have an ensuite or granite counters" and "I want to tear this down because it's filled with asbestos"

Rutibex
Sep 9, 2001

by Fluffdaddy

:psyduck:
Yup no property bubble here! Lets see for $840,000 in Australia I can get a tin roofed one room shack. For less money, in Ontario, I can buy a country estate with horse barns, a pool, hot tub, a workshop, 2500 square foot house, race track, and 40 acres of tilled land. Yeah I think the one room shack is a better investment, it's value can only increase!
http://www.farmsincanada.ca/property_details/1000/

Rutibex fucked around with this message at 18:39 on Oct 25, 2015

Lexicon
Jul 29, 2003

I had a beer with Stephen Harper once and now I like him.

Heh - I remember this one when it sold last time around. It made international headlines then too.

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etalian
Mar 20, 2006

Lexicon posted:

Heh - I remember this one when it sold last time around. It made international headlines then too.

Those article always have rich asian foreigner buyers getting the house.

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