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Some of the people I see complaining about the game throwing bullshit deaths in this thread play long war for xcom. Hypocrites! 
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My first run of Wizard Tower we had in the staircase behind the bookshelf you activate at the start: Rat horde Rat Ogre Storm Vermin Squad Packmaster that clipped through the bookshelf and dragged the person that went to open it through the wall and into the middle of them Not sure what you're supposed to do about that.
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Oct 23, 2015 14:59
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Probably ask them to fix the pack master clipping issue, because without that you should have enough health to deal with it that early in the level.
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Oct 23, 2015 15:01
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I don't see what the alternative is. If you limit spawns to one at a time or prevent multiple specials from occurring at once the game would be terribly easy and unfun.
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Oct 23, 2015 15:02
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Saint Freak posted:My first run of Wizard Tower we had in the staircase behind the bookshelf you activate at the start: I had a packmaster drag me back up the ledge you jump down from in Wizard's tower in order to open the gate in the illusion room. That sucked.
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Oct 23, 2015 15:02
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Saint Freak posted:My first run of Wizard Tower we had in the staircase behind the bookshelf you activate at the start: Wipe quickly and try again.
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Oct 23, 2015 15:07
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The only thing about the specials I would change(besides fixing obviously buggy behavior like Packmasters clipping through walls sometimes and Gutter Runners jumping a dude and dragging him 30 feet into the air somehow) is either lowering the Packmaster's movement speed by a fair amount or following an earlier suggestion and giving them a moment or two of struggling with the target before getting to drag them off, possibly both. Packmasters are far and away the most lethal and game-ending special because of their ability to instantly and nearly unavoidably end a run during a swarm situation because of their tendency to use the grabbed target as a human shield against ranged fire while also moving fast enough that melee attackers have serious difficulty chasing them(if it's even possible during a swarm to chase). Multiple gutters runners is extremely dangerous but ultimately doable since it's possible for the person being attacked to stop the grab(shoot it, swing at it, or push block while it's jumping at you and it'll fall off the moment it makes contact) and even if there's multiples all it takes is a feather tap from any attack to get them off a target.
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Oct 23, 2015 15:12
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I had a single gutter runner end a Horn run once. We were crossing that wooden bridge on the rooftops before the tower. The runner jumped the guy in the middle of our group, sending the rest of us flying off the edges.  Also, can anyone teach me how to be a good elf? She's still my least favorite character, but sometimes you want to let your friends try their hand at being a dwarf. How do I manipulate trueshot arrows? Right now I try to lock onto my target and then aim at another rat so that the arrow pierces them both. This has had some interesting results, not always good. Also, daggers are my go to melee weapon for her because of eye stabbing, but it makes her blow at clearing hordes.
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Oct 23, 2015 15:20
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Elpato posted:I had a single gutter runner end a Horn run once. We were crossing that wooden bridge on the rooftops before the tower. The runner jumped the guy in the middle of our group, sending the rest of us flying off the edges. You don't really manipulate trueshot arrows, you just kind of fire them and let them do their own thing(while respecting their turning angles so you still have to aim in the vague direction of your target). If you want precision, bring the longbow and use that instead, since the weaknesses of the trueflight bow are ammo and randomness. As for melee, while the daggers are my favorite weapon I strongly recommend you don't bring them unless your friends have horde sweeping 100% covered. They're amazing for killing stormvermin and rat ogres but make you nearly helpless to stop multiple enemies at once on your own. For horde sweeping, bring the dual swords because their entire combo chain is sweeping attacks so you can just rail on the button while strafing from side to side and permanently stunlock a horde on your own; the drawback is that their power attack kind of blows so fighting stormvermin in melee is annoying. For a hybrid playstyle, bring the single sword or the sword/dagger; you'll end up with a mix of slashing and stabbing attacks so you're not as good at fighting hordes, but you gain the downward slash/stab powerattack for better stormvermin fighting.
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Oct 23, 2015 15:27
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terrorist ambulance posted:if they spawn in rapid sequence  Lemon Curdistan posted:5-6 specials in quick succession Mr. Wookums posted:I don't see what the alternative is. If you limit spawns to one at a time or prevent multiple specials from occurring at once the game would be terribly easy and unfun. The issue isn't that it spawns several specials, it's how swingy it is. Sometimes it spawns barely any, sometimes it spawns way too many. They just need to up the consistency of the specials spawns so it's 2-4 instead of 0-6, or whatever.
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Oct 23, 2015 15:32
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Kanos posted:Multiple gutters runners is extremely dangerous but ultimately doable since it's possible for the person being attacked to stop the grab(shoot it, swing at it, or push block while it's jumping at you and it'll fall off the moment it makes contact) and even if there's multiples all it takes is a feather tap from any attack to get them off a target.
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Oct 23, 2015 15:33
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Fat Samurai posted:Oh, so bashing them at the right moment means you still get pushed down for a bit? That's a relief, I can lie myself and think I'm not horrible at this game, then. It's inconsistent and based on timing. Sometimes you'll smack it out of the air, sometimes it won't register the hit until you get tackled and it will immediately fall off. Gutter Runners don't do impact damage like Hunters from L4D and actually have to stab you to hurt you, so if you knock it off immediately it's basically the same thing as stopping the grab altogether.
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Oct 23, 2015 15:38
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Kanos posted:It's inconsistent and based on timing. Sometimes you'll smack it out of the air, sometimes it won't register the hit until you get tackled and it will immediately fall off. Gutter Runners don't do impact damage like Hunters from L4D and actually have to stab you to hurt you, so if you knock it off immediately it's basically the same thing as stopping the grab altogether. Runners also can't slap you after a botched jump. 
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Oct 23, 2015 15:40
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Kanos posted:You don't really manipulate trueshot arrows, you just kind of fire them and let them do their own thing(while respecting their turning angles so you still have to aim in the vague direction of your target). If you want precision, bring the longbow and use that instead, since the weaknesses of the trueflight bow are ammo and randomness. As for melee, while the daggers are my favorite weapon I strongly recommend you don't bring them unless your friends have horde sweeping 100% covered. They're amazing for killing stormvermin and rat ogres but make you nearly helpless to stop multiple enemies at once on your own. For horde sweeping, bring the dual swords because their entire combo chain is sweeping attacks so you can just rail on the button while strafing from side to side and permanently stunlock a horde on your own; the drawback is that their power attack kind of blows so fighting stormvermin in melee is annoying. For a hybrid playstyle, bring the single sword or the sword/dagger; you'll end up with a mix of slashing and stabbing attacks so you're not as good at fighting hordes, but you gain the downward slash/stab powerattack for better stormvermin fighting. Alternatively, the single longsword is a legit weapon for the elf. The regular attacks are still wide swings with reasonable crowd control, but the power attack is a big overhead chop that does a shitpile of damage to single tough enemies like stormvermin. The trueshot bow is powerful, but it's tricky to use well. You are more ammo limited with it and it tends to have a mind of its own in regards to targeting, but if you can keep on point it's an absurd auto headshot generator. You need to learn to use uncharged shots if there is someone behind a pack of slaves that just had to die immediately since those don't home. Aside from that, longbow is also legit for the same reasons the crossbows are generally good. The Swiftbow and hag bow are both poo poo tier and should be salvaged for upgrade material asap.
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Oct 23, 2015 15:46
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Lemon Curdistan posted:
Anything that moves the game away from being able to min/max any given situation because you can guess to within a very good probability what's going to spawn/happen is OK with me. If that means the game is "swingy" as heck I'm all for it. I don't want the game to devolve into Entering Area A move to corner B, wait 30 seconds for X or Y to spawn, blah blah blah blah..
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Oct 23, 2015 15:47
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Gotta say that I am not a huge fan of fused items taking into consideration the ingredients you've used to create them. I'd rather it just be totally random. As it is now, I have boatloads of blue 2H hammers, hagbows, 1H weapons, and Witch Hunter poo poo that I do not ever want to equip, but I also don't want to use them for fusing since it'll give me a chance of getting an orange version of the poo poo I have no interest in. You can salvage em, but I definitely do not need more materials considering the fact that I have a huge stockpile due to getting 0 orange items that I'd want to upgrade or even use.
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Oct 23, 2015 16:11
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Fishstick posted:I had a packmaster drag me back up the ledge you jump down from in Wizard's tower in order to open the gate in the illusion room. That sucked. Pfff, amateurs.  No one rescued me from the nether realm 
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Oct 23, 2015 16:13
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That Italian Guy posted:Pfff, amateurs. This looks like that dead elf's fault to be honest.
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Oct 23, 2015 16:17
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uhmm, so now that the servers are down for launch I have this 13GB patch? This can't be right can it? edit: quote:[Fatshark]LiVam [ontwikkelaar] 1 uur geleden Welp, nvm! guess this is good new though 
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Oct 23, 2015 16:22
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Mikojan posted:uhmm, so now that the servers are down for launch I have this 13GB patch? Might be replacing the whole thing? I've got 13 gigs as well. downloading now, should be done in 20 minutes.
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Oct 23, 2015 16:25
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Witchhunter with the axe seems okay. Armor pierce on just standard spam attacks make stormvermin super easy.
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Oct 23, 2015 16:25
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Mikojan posted:uhmm, so now that the servers are down for launch I have this 13GB patch? 13gb for the remaining 9 maps sounds about right, but also means with my lovely net I won't be able to play tonight, bleh. Should've seen that one coming.
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Oct 23, 2015 16:25
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That sounds about right, since the wizard map came with a 800 MB patch. There's a bunch of assets we didn't have in the beta release.
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Oct 23, 2015 16:27
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I'm excited for your guys' reports at full release, the beta for this game was a lot of fun but I'm worried about variety and longevity
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Oct 23, 2015 16:31
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Is there any RPG progression persistence between matches in this game?
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Oct 23, 2015 16:34
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You earn gear for completing a match is the only RPG element so far. Gear can have different upgrades and you can customize your characters strengths and weaknesses pretty well by picking different weapons for them.
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Oct 23, 2015 16:37
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CountingWizard posted:Is there any RPG progression persistence between matches in this game? there's a level system that doesn't do a lot, and a loot system that does do a lot.
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Oct 23, 2015 16:38
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Prawned posted:I'm excited for your guys' reports at full release, the beta for this game was a lot of fun but I'm worried about variety and longevity Release prediction: 13 levels and we still just keep running Horn of Magnus on hard. Good thing it's a sweet map. Trier posted:there's a level system that doesn't do a lot, and a loot system that does do a lot. Leveling becomes cool when you hit 33 and start getting greens out of it.
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Oct 23, 2015 16:40
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I don't know about anyone else but I crack the gently caress up whenever a good run goes horribly wrong and we all die. Sure, it's annoying that you lose out on the chance for phat lewt at the end but come on, just shaddup and replay it, the game is fun enough that I don't even mind replaying levels immediately.
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Oct 23, 2015 16:42
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Man I hope there's a bunch of cool new units and/or set pieces in the later levels
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Oct 23, 2015 16:43
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Vargs posted:Release prediction: 13 levels and we still just keep running Horn of Magnus on hard. I really hope they put in the daily map system somebody suggested on their forums. Getting a bonus to dice rolls as an incentive for running a random daily map would be a wonderful way to encourage people to branch out from farming the same map constantly.
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Oct 23, 2015 16:43
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Kanos posted:I really hope they put in the daily map system somebody suggested on their forums. Getting a bonus to dice rolls as an incentive for running a random daily map would be a wonderful way to encourage people to branch out from farming the same map constantly. This most likely not ready yet.
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Oct 23, 2015 16:45
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Deakul posted:I don't know about anyone else but I crack the gently caress up whenever a good run goes horribly wrong and we all die. horn of magnus everything going smooth so you're like yea lets do two grimoires and as soon as you hit that rooftop bridge a rat ogre spawns with a ratling gunner and gutterrunner 
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Oct 23, 2015 16:45
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Tokubetsu posted:horn of magnus everything going smooth so you're like yea lets do two grimoires and as soon as you hit that rooftop bridge a rat ogre spawns with a ratling gunner and gutterrunner I know that you have lack of pain while game is on a maintenance, but it's strange to start dreaming about it.
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Oct 23, 2015 16:49
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Deakul posted:I don't know about anyone else but I crack the gently caress up whenever a good run goes horribly wrong and we all die. This. If you're going rage-out over (a chance of) a bit of loot I'm not sure I'd want to party up with you.
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Oct 23, 2015 16:49
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Tokubetsu posted:horn of magnus everything going smooth so you're like yea lets do two grimoires and as soon as you hit that rooftop bridge a rat ogre spawns with a ratling gunner and gutterrunner And then your brightwizard uses whatever staff gives them the bolts to throw instantly kills the gunner and the gutter runner right? That's generally why my friends like me playing the wizard, specials die the moment they come into range.
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Oct 23, 2015 16:49
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For as much as I complained about bullshit deaths, the game probably is balanced around people not compulsively grabbing grimoires. I don't think I've played a game yet where someone doesn't feel like they gotta grab one.
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Oct 23, 2015 16:49
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Trier posted:This. If you're going rage-out over (a chance of) a bit of loot I'm not sure I'd want to party up with you. Considering that good loot is a big MAYBE anyways it is kind of pointless to stress about it. Besides bashing rat face in is so completely satisfying on its own 
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Oct 23, 2015 16:51
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dogstile posted:And then your brightwizard uses whatever staff gives them the bolts to throw instantly kills the gunner and the gutter runner right? I like every staff but the bolt one. I will admit that I haven't tried one since getting blue melee weapons that reduce overcharge though. So a long rear end time ago. I just prefer aoe burn everything staffs which is why im deep in love with the conflagration staff.
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Just found out that Jesper Kyd did the music for this game. No wonder the atmosphere is so good, that guy is a brilliant composer.
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