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RuanGacho
Jun 20, 2002

"You're gunna break it!"

It can't be said enough how much that committee was fielding questions from an alternate universe. As long as we don't let them get enough power to actually enact said universe, reality and entropy might eventually wake America from its fever dream of galts gulch.

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Gin and Juche
Apr 3, 2008

The Highest Judge of Paradise
Shiki Eiki
YAMAXANADU

Will they at least be paid in experience?

evilweasel
Aug 24, 2002


quote:

One Bush adviser told Bloomberg Politics in an interview Friday morning that the team was “unapologetic” about the changes, saying the moves were from a “position of strength.” “This is about winning the race,” the adviser said. “We’re doing it now and making the shifts with confidence. We expect to win.”

:laffo::laffo::laffo::laffo::laffo::laffo:

BI NOW GAY LATER
Jan 17, 2008

So people stop asking, the "Bi" in my username is a reference to my love for the two greatest collegiate sports programs in the world, the Virginia Tech Hokies and the Marshall Thundering Herd.
My home town does a cool, good thing!

http://wvmetronews.com/2015/10/22/sutton-city-council-passes-nondiscrimination-measure-focused-on-lgbt/

Your Gay Uncle
Feb 16, 2012

by Fluffdaddy

Joementum posted:

The NY Times goes with a not-so-subtle editorial take on yesterday's hearing with their front page.



Why does the NYT have such a hardon for the Clintons?

Full Battle Rattle
Aug 29, 2009

As long as the times refuse to change, we're going to make a hell of a racket.

God, how long can he keep this up?

evilweasel
Aug 24, 2002

This is a pretty great article, translating the Freedom Caucus demands into plain english:

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...v=top-news&_r=0

e.g.:

quote:

Would you commit to passing all 12 appropriations bills and not acquiesce to a continuing resolution in the event Senate Democrats try to block the appropriations process?

TRANSLATES TO

Do you promise to shut down the government in December if Democrats fail to give in to all of our demands?

...

Would you allow the NRCC to use member contributions, directly or indirectly, to work against any members of the House Republican Conference?

TRANSLATES TO

How worried should we be that other Republicans will try to stab us in the back for all this?

Rare for a newspaper to rip the bullshit to shreds like this.

Fritz Coldcockin
Nov 7, 2005

GalacticAcid posted:



Please raise a toast to a great Democrat, Trey Gowdy's Barber, at your local Jefferson-Jackson Dinner this year.

What the gently caress is wrong with his head? He looks like his skull was wrapped as a baby to elongate it.

Kro-Bar
Jul 24, 2004
USPOL May
^^^^edit: I thought Trevor Noah described him well on TDS: "He's like Anderson Cooper if someone left a heavy book on his head overnight."


How many days are we from the government shutting down?

STAC Goat
Mar 12, 2008

Watching you sleep.

Butt first, let's
check the feeds.


I genuinely can't wait for Jeb! to drop out of the race and hear how he tries to push it as him acting from strength.

It's really messed up to be the most delusional guy in this field of narcissistic loonies.

evilweasel
Aug 24, 2002

Kro-Bar posted:

How many days are we from the government shutting down?



One or two months. Real issue right now is the debt limit, which is 11 days away.

Mozi
Apr 4, 2004

Forms change so fast
Time is moving past
Memory is smoke
Gonna get wider when I die
Nap Ghost

Your Gay Uncle posted:

Why does the NYT have such a hardon for the Clintons?

They don't. At all.

Epic High Five
Jun 5, 2004



evilweasel posted:

This is a pretty great article, translating the Freedom Caucus demands into plain english:

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...v=top-news&_r=0

e.g.:


Rare for a newspaper to rip the bullshit to shreds like this.

"We will only endorse a speaker who agrees to slit his own throat"

BI NOW GAY LATER
Jan 17, 2008

So people stop asking, the "Bi" in my username is a reference to my love for the two greatest collegiate sports programs in the world, the Virginia Tech Hokies and the Marshall Thundering Herd.

Your Gay Uncle posted:

Why does the NYT have such a hardon for the Clintons?

what

How are u
May 19, 2005

by Azathoth

evilweasel posted:

This is a pretty great article, translating the Freedom Caucus demands into plain english:

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...v=top-news&_r=0

e.g.:


Rare for a newspaper to rip the bullshit to shreds like this.

This article is Good and I'm surprised the Times ran it.

Mozi
Apr 4, 2004

Forms change so fast
Time is moving past
Memory is smoke
Gonna get wider when I die
Nap Ghost
Which is why it's pretty baffling why Ryan is going ahead with his bid. There is no way it will go well for him; if anyone thought he might have some intelligence, that's been disproven.

Teriyaki Koinku
Nov 25, 2008

Bread! Bread! Bread!

Bread! BREAD! BREAD!

ComradeCosmobot posted:

If people can still insist there was a stand down order issued after seven committees found nothing, they can find a way.

People know the answer to this riddle already, they just need the evidence to match up to the conclusion. :downs:

Joementum
May 23, 2004

jesus christ
John Boehner, noticing the wild success of the Benghazi Committee, names the members of the brand new Select Committee to investigate Planned Parenthood.



You know it's serious when there's a former Real World cast member on the panel.

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

The blue glow is a feature, not a bug


Pillbug

My question is: Does he think he is operating from a position of strength because they believe there is no way Trump can win the nomination?

Joementum posted:

John Boehner, noticing the wild success of the Benghazi Committee, names the members of the brand new Select Committee to investigate Planned Parenthood.



You know it's serious when there's a former Real World cast member on the panel.

God drat it Boehner. Why couldn't you go out with a least a moderate amount of grace...

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

Your Gay Uncle posted:

Why does the NYT have such a hardon for the Clintons?

lol the NYT utterly loathe the Clintons, they're just not as out of touch with reality as fox news.

evilweasel
Aug 24, 2002

Mozi posted:

Which is why it's pretty baffling why Ryan is going ahead with his bid. There is no way it will go well for him; if anyone thought he might have some intelligence, that's been disproven.

He did not agree to those terms - but they didn't agree to his either.

pathetic little tramp
Dec 12, 2005

by Hillary Clinton's assassins
Fallen Rib

evilweasel posted:

One or two months. Real issue right now is the debt limit, which is 11 days away.

Isn't the debt limit like 10x as disastrous as a shutdown too?


Reporting on the conservative talk radio on the way into work, the generic b-list host (Bill Handel I think?) was amazed, absolutely amazed that 75% of republicans didn't think the hearings hurt Hillary. He then expressed dismay that the republicans failed, but we know Hillary is a liar so the truth of that will come out eventually. He was trying to disguise it as we lost the battle but the war rages on, but you could hear the defeat in his voice. He then immediately turned to hurricane chat and never brought it up again.

woke wedding drone
Jun 1, 2003

by exmarx
Fun Shoe

Fried Chicken posted:

Carson should only worry you to the extent that his rise could send Trump off the deep end before he fully kills Bush and Rubio's campaigns.

Hold fast Donald. Hold fast.

I don't understand why I should worry about that instead of relishing it openly

Fried Chicken
Jan 9, 2011

Don't fry me, I'm no chicken!
Here is a very interesting take here on a new metric for campaign viability

Because hell has frozen over, it is something worth reading in the National Review. Because the National Review makes Daily Stormer look like Letters From Birmingham Jail, I'm gonna quote it in entirety rather than link and give them hits

quote:

Jeb Bush Is Toast

And other insights from third-quarter fundraising reports

To win the GOP primary and, more important, the general election, a candidate must be able to play to both grassroots supporters and the major donors. Since the dawn of the era of Internet campaigns, beginning in the 2000 election, no candidate in either party who was not, at this point in the election cycle, in the top two in grassroots fundraising has won the nomination, nor has any candidate outside the top three in major-donor funding.

Candidates who cannot win the support of major donors ultimately lack the qualities to be competitive in a general election. Influential votes and voices matter, and not just for their money. This is why candidates such as Bernie Sanders are extremely unlikely to be president, no matter how much money they raise.

Conversely, candidates whom big donors love but who do not excite the base can sometimes be lifted by the establishment to the nomination but have no hope in the general election. This why candidates such as Rudy Giuliani, despite his enormous major-donor fundraising totals, went absolutely nowhere in the GOP primaries. Ultimately, it is candidates who — e.g., Obama and George W. Bush — excite the grassroots and do well with major donors who win.

This perspective is instructive when analyzing the candidates’ latest quarterly financial reports in the 2016 GOP presidential primary. I have compared the cumulative fundraising data from the election to date with the data through the same quarter of the 2012, 2008, 2004, and 2000 election cycles to see what we can learn about which candidates are likely to do well and which candidates are almost certain to fail. From examining the data, several striking patterns emerge, and if fundraising history is any guide to the present, all of the following assertions will prove true.

* Jeb Bush has almost no chance of being the GOP nominee, owing to a near-complete lack of support from the GOP’s rank-and-file donors.

* John Kasich, Chris Christie, Rand Paul, Mike Huckabee, Bobby Jindal, Rick Santorum, Lindsey Graham, and George Pataki also have almost no chance of being the GOP nominee, much less of winning the general election. That doesn’t mean it is impossible that one could do well in Iowa or New Hampshire. Nor does it mean that they should drop out, or that they are bad candidates, or that they might not have a significant effect through their presence on the nominating process. But from their early fundraising, it is clear that they will not have the grassroots support, money, or organization to win the general election, especially against what is still a very deep field.

* Contrary to media narratives, Ted Cruz looks to be in the strongest position to win the nomination, given the fundraising data. The one major wild card in that analysis is Donald Trump, currently by far the leader in GOP polling. His support base overlaps in some ways with Cruz’s. He hasn’t fundraised actively, so it is difficult to draw firm conclusions, but it seems likely that he would be a very strong in both major-donor and grassroots fundraising. He looks like the favorite, but the party establishment, as well as a significant number of conservative activists, are set against him. He’s a unique candidate with unique positioning, and therefore he is uniquely challenging to quantify using traditional measurements.

* Carly Fiorina and Marco Rubio could still win the nomination. But compared with past successful nominees, they have substantial fundraising and strategic weaknesses right now. In Rubio’s case, those weaknesses have been under-recognized. Ben Carson cannot be entirely excluded but rates as very, very unlikely to be the nominee, given historical patterns.

* There has been a small-donor revolution in GOP fundraising in 2016. Below are the small-donor (under $200) donations by election cycle, through the third quarter of each year preceding the election.
2016: $61.3 million
2012: $16.7 million
2008: 28.4 million
2004: $9 million
2000: $13.9 million
Note that this fundraising boom effectively excludes Donald Trump, the leader in the polls, who would almost certainly be at or near the top of small-donor fundraising if he had been fundraising actively. Were that the case, the GOP’s small-donor dollars would probably be about triple the highest previous total ever raised.

SOME DATA ON HISTORICAL RATIOS OF SMALL-DOLLAR TO LARGE-DOLLAR MONEY Examining data from the previous four election cycles is one of the best ways to understand the importance of campaign finance. Below is a list of the ratios of major-donor money ($2,000–$2,700) to small-donor money (less than $200) for both parties’ nominees for the past four election cycles. The data are imperfect because my primary source (the nonpartisan Campaign Finance Institute) has tracked donation amounts slightly differently in different election cycles. I have rounded the ratios below, reflecting this imperfection in the data.

Below are the ratios between big-donor (more than $2,000) and small-donor (less than $2,000) amounts raised for candidates, 2000–2016, through the third quarter of the year preceding the general election:

2016
Clinton 3:1,
Sanders 1:33
Carson 1:11.5,
Cruz 1:1.6,
Bush 15:1,
Rubio 1.7:1,
Fiorina 1:2.5,
Trump 1:6.5

2012
Romney 7:1
Obama 1:3

2008
McCain 1.7:1
Obama 1.3:1

2004
Bush 6.2:1
Kerry 5.4:1

2000
Bush 12:1
Gore 6:1

A few points stand out. First, ratios of big- to small-donor money have fallen. The importance of small-donor money has grown. Even the famously plutocratic Romney raised a higher percentage of his money from small donors than did George W. Bush in 2000. Obama’s ratio of small-donor to big-donor money in 2012 was 18 times higher than Gore’s in 2000.

Second, Jeb Bush cannot win. I don’t say this because I dislike Jeb. (On the contrary, I think he has virtues as both a candidate and a person.) But the numbers don’t lie. It’s not just that his ratio of big-donor to small-dollar donations is vastly out of sync with the rest of the GOP and Democratic fields today. (Even Romney’s ratio of small-donor to big-donor dollars was more than twice Jeb’s.) Jeb’s big-donor to small-donor ratio is 15:1. No candidate has ever won the nomination with such a heavy reliance on big donors, even at a time when big-donor money made up a much larger percentage of total fundraising. For the rest of the GOP field, the ratio of big-donor to small-donor money is 1:1.6. Furthermore, Jeb ranks just third in total fundraising. For reasons I examine below, that seems unlikely to improve.

Jeb devotees examining this data might want to point to the year 2000, when George W. Bush at this point in the campaign had an approximately 12:1 ratio of large- to small-donor money. But using just this ratio (which Jeb exceeds) masks some important points. First, George W. Bush had locked up the big donors at this point in 2000. He had 80 percent of major-donor dollars, making him the clear choice of the GOP’s donor class. Jeb gets just 35 percent of big-donor dollars. The donor class is split.

Second, with 19 percent of the small-dollar total, George W. Bush essentially was tied for first among a divided field of small-dollar donors. In contrast, Jeb has just 2.3 percent of small-dollar contributions in the GOP field, ranking ninth.

And George W. Bush’s solid but unspectacular showing among small donors looks dramatically different when mid-dollar donations, $200 to $999, are considered. Amounts less than $1,000 come typically from slightly more-prosperous grassroots donors. George W. Bush crushed the competition in this category, taking 64 percent of the mid-dollar money in the GOP field (and raising more of it than Gore and Bradley, combined, managed on the Democratic side).

By contrast, Jeb takes only 7 percent of that total in the GOP field today and ranks sixth. Even Romney in 2012 was a competitive second in the small- and medium-grassroots donor categories to Ron Paul, who had famously fanatical small donors. Romney achieved this while, like George W. Bush, winning an overwhelming victory among large donors.

The contrast between Jeb in 2016 and George W. in 2000 could not be more dramatic. George W. Bush won by dominating among large donors, being right in the top tier with the smallest, most-grassroots donors, and dominating again among the GOP’s mid-dollar donors. That is what a strong, winning candidate looks like.

Meanwhile, Jeb, while relying on big-donor fundraising from his friends and family, takes just 35 percent of a fragmented major-donor pool. His performance with small donors is abysmal, ranking with that of fringe candidates, at a time when small-donor money has become ever more valuable. And his performance with mid-dollar donors is scarcely better, in contrast to his brother’s domination of this sector.

Jeb raised only three times as much from small donors as did Lawrence Lessig, the semi-obscure Harvard professor, running as a Democrat, who was too fringey to be invited to a debate that featured Lincoln Chaffee, who had only 29 itemized donors through the third quarter of 2011. And Jeb’s total amount, $4.2 million, raised from donations under $2,000 is just $1 million more than the total fundraising of Lindsey Graham, who is polling at 0 percent. Jeb’s supporters are maxed out, and he has no grassroots support to grow new ones. But what about the super PAC? Jeb supporters might counter. Yes, that money would certainly be helpful for Jeb, but it has severe legal limits as to its usage — and he’s already spent millions of it on TV in early-primary states, with little to show for it. The super-PAC money just further emphasizes his reliance on wealthy donors.

And it won’t get him over the top. Meg Whitman spent more than $178 million (far more than is in Jeb’s super PAC) to take just 40.9 percent of the vote in the governor’s race in one state, California, during the 2010 election. She ran just a point ahead of California GOP lieutenant-gubernatorial candidate Abel Maldonado, who spent less than $2 million on his entire campaign. As conservatives always say to campaign finance “reformers”: You cannot buy elections. The GOP establishment needs to take this to heart and realize that in Jeb, it has a lost cause.

— Lawrence Brinton is the pseudonym of a policy analyst who has informally advised several 2016 campaigns.


A lot of caveats apply to taking this as gospel, but some interesting points nonetheless.

evilweasel
Aug 24, 2002

It's also interesting how much of the freedom caucus demands are basically "oh god we know everyone hates us shelter us from the impending wrath of the party please", I never would have noticed that without the NYT article.

Proust Malone
Apr 4, 2008

Fried Chicken posted:

Here is a very interesting take here on a new metric for campaign viability

Because hell has frozen over, it is something worth reading in the National Review. Because the National Review makes Daily Stormer look like Letters From Birmingham Jail, I'm gonna quote it in entirety rather than link and give them hits


A lot of caveats apply to taking this as gospel, but some interesting points nonetheless.

They called Romney plutocratic? Is NR just a safe space where that word is a good thing?

evilweasel
Aug 24, 2002

Fried Chicken posted:

Here is a very interesting take here on a new metric for campaign viability

Because hell has frozen over, it is something worth reading in the National Review. Because the National Review makes Daily Stormer look like Letters From Birmingham Jail, I'm gonna quote it in entirety rather than link and give them hits


A lot of caveats apply to taking this as gospel, but some interesting points nonetheless.

Yeah, interesting data but the strong conclusions they draw aren't supported by the tiny sample they have. But it really throws into sharp relief how few people like Jeb!.

Fried Chicken
Jan 9, 2011

Don't fry me, I'm no chicken!

SedanChair posted:

I don't understand why I should worry about that instead of relishing it openly

You want Rubio or Bush to come back to the front? I don't. Let Trump burn them down before he flames out, bring on Cruz as the nominee

Rhesus Pieces
Jun 27, 2005


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jqQsDklQEM

Countdown until the semi-competent and greediest members of the Jeb! campaign team start jumping ship for more lucrative opportunities. Didn't the Koch brothers endorse Rubio recently?

Fried Chicken
Jan 9, 2011

Don't fry me, I'm no chicken!
I'd like to remind everyone that in 2011 Paul Ryan was quite vocal about breaching the debt ceiling was not a problem so long as the default was eventually processed and payments resumed

OAquinas
Jan 27, 2008

Biden has sat immobile on the Iron Throne of America. He is the Master of Malarkey by the will of the gods, and master of a million votes by the might of his inexhaustible calamari.
Maybe it was sleep deprivation setting in, but...

Ganon
May 24, 2003

Mitt Romney posted:

What's the likelihood of the FBI charging Clinton with something regarding the email server? Last I heard they were just "looking into it".

Edit: It appears they aren't even looking into it and are only helping with redacting emails for sensitivity.

They are definitely looking into it Source: FBI probe of Clinton email focused on ‘gross negligence’ provision

I think the FBI just gives their recommendation to Justice and they decide what to do.

trilobite terror
Oct 20, 2007
BUT MY LIVELIHOOD DEPENDS ON THE FORUMS!

euphronius posted:

Yeah HRC is getting positive coverage from the least likely sources . It's been a good few weeks for her.

The NYT editorial board came down pretty heavily in her favor/defense over the hearing.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/23/opinion/hillary-clinton-and-the-benghazi-gang.html?ref=opinion&_r=0

BI NOW GAY LATER
Jan 17, 2008

So people stop asking, the "Bi" in my username is a reference to my love for the two greatest collegiate sports programs in the world, the Virginia Tech Hokies and the Marshall Thundering Herd.

Ganon posted:

They are definitely looking into it Source: FBI probe of Clinton email focused on ‘gross negligence’ provision

I think the FBI just gives their recommendation to Justice and they decide what to do.

FoxNews anonymous source, huh.

BI NOW GAY LATER
Jan 17, 2008

So people stop asking, the "Bi" in my username is a reference to my love for the two greatest collegiate sports programs in the world, the Virginia Tech Hokies and the Marshall Thundering Herd.
Let me help you, the FBI isn't looking into any criminal wrong-doing on her part.

FAUXTON
Jun 2, 2005

spero che tu stia bene

pathetic little tramp posted:

Isn't the debt limit like 10x as disastrous as a shutdown too?

If you're familiar with physics it would be like finding out c is no longer reliable as a constant.

USD are the world's reserve currency, I.e. other countries' central banks trust it at least as much as their own currency as a stable and reliable store of value. When the going gets tough, people buy Treasury bonds. They're so well-regarded that until recently (hell we may still be) people were paying the Treasury (in the sense that the yield was below inflation, which itself is insanely low despite QE) to buy bonds. Those stable, reliable yield figures form a substantial part of the global economic bedrock. Defaulting on those yield payments would damage that confidence and mess with the exchange valuation of pretty much every currency in the world, for starters. It's incredibly terrifying to sane people and most of everyone else.

ComradeCosmobot
Dec 4, 2004

USPOL July

Joementum posted:

John Boehner, noticing the wild success of the Benghazi Committee, names the members of the brand new Select Committee to investigate Planned Parenthood.



You know it's serious when there's a former Real World cast member on the panel.

And you know that they explicitly picked Blackburn (who previously managed the debate on the 20-week abortion ban in the 113th) to be chair so they could say that "it's not a War on Women if we put a woman in charge of the Select Committee!"

FlamingLiberal
Jan 18, 2009

Would you like to play a game?



BI NOW GAY LATER posted:

Let me help you, the FBI isn't looking into any criminal wrong-doing on her part.
Correct, the NYT already had to retract a story about that

haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



Toilet Rascal

FAUXTON posted:

If you're familiar with physics it would be like finding out c is no longer reliable as a constant.

USD are the world's reserve currency, I.e. other countries' central banks trust it at least as much as their own currency as a stable and reliable store of value. When the going gets tough, people buy Treasury bonds. They're so well-regarded that until recently (hell we may still be) people were paying the Treasury (in the sense that the yield was below inflation, which itself is insanely low despite QE) to buy bonds. Those stable, reliable yield figures form a substantial part of the global economic bedrock. Defaulting on those yield payments would damage that confidence and mess with the exchange valuation of pretty much every currency in the world, for starters. It's incredibly terrifying to sane people and most of everyone else.

In other words, hitting the debt limit would have the same effect on the world economy as the Big One would have on San Francisco.

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The Iron Rose
May 12, 2012

:minnie: Cat Army :minnie:

pathetic little tramp posted:

Isn't the debt limit like 10x as disastrous as a shutdown too?


It would literally be more devastating than a small-scale nuclear war.

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