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Radish posted:Hey! Please stop propagating bullshit from the Humanewatch which is a front group for the Center for Consumer Freedom. The CCM is a lobbying group for fast food, meat, alcohol and tobacco industries. The same HSUS that is under investigation for raising over a million dollars for Oklahoma animal disaster victims then only giving 100k to people in Oklahoma? Yeah, whatever. The one that lobbies to have all birds, reptiles, and other non-cat/dog pets restricted with the end goal of banning them? The one that had to make a large settlement in a RICO case? These are not the guys running your animal shelters. Silver Nitrate fucked around with this message at 20:13 on Oct 23, 2015 |
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Silver Nitrate posted:The same HSUS that is under investigation for raising over a million dollars for Oklahoma animal disaster victims then only giving 100k to people in Oklahoma? Yeah, whatever. Want to give links to your claims? Since one poster has pointed out that the farming lobby is actively spreading disinformation.
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evilweasel posted:He did not agree to those terms - but they didn't agree to his either. But he's moving forward as if they had agreed to his terms. For somebody who acted so reluctant to take the job and struck a firm line on what he needed from them to even consider running, it's an incredible amount of backpedaling and pretending on his part. He wanted the Republicans to unify behind him - that didn't happen (Tortilla-wise.) He's going to be stabbed in the back when he actually has to do work (as anyone would be, as reality demands) and should have seen it coming the whole way.
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Maybe this is naive but have there been good faith efforts to compromise over spending cuts to get an actual budget passed?
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Oklahoma: http://www.courthousenews.com/2015/02/13/oklahoma-fights-humane-society-over-probe.htm RICO: http://www.bradenton.com/news/business/article34716315.html Reptiles: http://www.humanesociety.org/issues/exotic_pets/facts/dangerous-exotic-pets-constrictor-snakes.html?credit=web_id85539248 "Allowing private possession of these dangerous reptiles threatens public safety, environmental health, and the welfare of the animals themselves." "Pythons, boa constrictors, anacondas, and other large snakes should not be kept as pets" Birds: http://www.humanesociety.org/animals/pet_birds/?credit=web_id85539248 "There are more than 10,000 species of birds on the planet, but only a few of them can happily live as our companions. Certain species, such as cockatiels, budgerigars, finches, doves, and lovebirds, can thrive as pets with proper care. But most other birds, macaws, cockatoos, and so many more, are best left in the wild. They’re too social, intelligent, and complex to have all of their needs met in captivity."
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Hollismason posted:Hrmm , yeah I think this is what I should talk about at the RNC. While primarily done to stop delegate rules-lawyers, there are other reasons why the RNC instituted its "No Ron Pauls" rule.
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Ron Jeremy posted:Maybe this is naive but have there been good faith efforts to compromise over spending cuts to get an actual budget passed? There are discussions over a budget but one doesn't need to be passed till December.
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Silver Nitrate posted:The same HSUS that is under investigation for raising over a million dollars for Oklahoma animal disaster victims then only giving 100k to people in Oklahoma? Yeah, whatever. A sudden rain of frogs? A tornado made of dogs? A brief sprinkle of polliwogs?
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What are the odds that the democrats vote for speaker Ryan just to blow up his speakership day one?
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Also they spread misinformaton about snakes, for example: http://www.humanesociety.org/news/press_releases/2013/08/usfws-ban-snakes-pet-trade-080713.html These children were actually murdered by a relative who tried to blame it on the snake. And here's why I have it out for them, they have successfully lobbied Fish and Wildlife to add several more species to the Lacey Act under the constrictor rule but, a preliminary injunction has been granted and chances are the lawsuit against USFWS will be successful and allow interstate transport of these species again. Edit: More misinformation here http://www.humanesociety.org/news/news_briefs/2015/10/reptile-store-owner-attacked-by-python-100615.html?credit=web_id452487509 This guy was struck by the snake, yes. It shoved him backwards and he slipped, fell and hit his head. The snake never wrapped him, he was checked out for a concussion and released, not admitted and in critical condition. Silver Nitrate fucked around with this message at 20:29 on Oct 23, 2015 |
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HootTheOwl posted:What are the odds that the democrats vote for speaker Ryan just to blow up his speakership day one? None because it wouldn't blow up his speakership.
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Silver Nitrate posted:Reptiles: http://www.humanesociety.org/issues/exotic_pets/facts/dangerous-exotic-pets-constrictor-snakes.html?credit=web_id85539248 "Allowing private possession of these dangerous reptiles threatens public safety, environmental health, and the welfare of the animals themselves." "Pythons, boa constrictors, anacondas, and other large snakes should not be kept as pets" The Everglades are a good reason why most people shouldn't be allowed to own non-intrusive animals. In general people are lazy assholes who ruin things in the name of convenience.
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Evil Fluffy posted:The Everglades are a good reason why most people shouldn't be allowed to own non-intrusive animals. In general people are lazy assholes who ruin things in the name of convenience. Cats are about as intrusive as you can get though.
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Evil Fluffy posted:The Everglades are a good reason why most people shouldn't be allowed to own non-intrusive animals. In general people are lazy assholes who ruin things in the name of convenience. The snakes in the Everglades were not released by pet owners, they were released when Hurricane Andrew destroyed an import/export facility and hundreds of freshly wild caught animals were set free. The snakes newly listed under the constrictor rule are only possibly invasive (going by USFWS's own study) in the Everglades, Puerto Rico, and Hawaii, where they are already banned by state law. >.<
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Silver Nitrate posted:Oklahoma: http://www.courthousenews.com/2015/02/13/oklahoma-fights-humane-society-over-probe.htm Oh got it, so you're exaggerating for effect. Because you said: quote:The same HSUS that is under investigation for raising over a million dollars for Oklahoma animal disaster victims then only giving 100k to people in Oklahoma? Yeah, whatever. Oh the article you cited only said it was under investigation because the AG didn't like a mailer he saw. Also that article was 100% quoting the AG with no neutral comments or comments from HSUS. More neutral articles include this tidbit from HSUS: quote:Edmondson says the Oklahoma Office of the Attorney General is unlawfully asking for what is actually "privileged" information, such as attorney-client communications, proprietary information or future plans of the Humane Society of the United States that they have a right to keep private. quote:The one that lobbies to have all birds, reptiles, and other non-cat/dog pets restricted with the end goal of banning them? And even the links you said they want to ban larger snakes and certain species of birds, they specifically say they don't want to ban all of them. So you're still exaggerating for effect. quote:The one that had to make a large settlement in a RICO case? If you'd read the article you'd have noticed they settled because of behavior (in 2000) that occurred before they merged with another group (in 2005). Also that was a RICO lawsuit not a RICO criminal case. They may not be the best advocacy group out there, but you're clearly displaying a bias here.
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Silver Nitrate posted:dangerous reptiles threatens public safety, environmental health, and the welfare of the animals themselves." "Pythons, boa constrictors, anacondas, and other large snakes should not be kept as pets"
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Pythons/other snakes also existed in the everglades prior to Andrew (1980s) from pet owners but were just not classified as a reproducible species due to their quantity. Andrew may have accelerated that (lol hundreds released), but it was not the cause.
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Only one person in documented history has ever been killed by a boa constrictor and he was really, really drunk. They aren't deadly, dangerous animals.
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Silver Nitrate posted:Only one person in documented history has ever been killed by a boa constrictor and he was really, really drunk. They aren't deadly, dangerous animals. Tell that to Adam and Eve 
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This is not the only Newt-holding-a-snake photo.
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yo did this get posted yet?  https://medium.com/@MattBors/the-gif-bite-election-34dfab84014#.l1hqagqzy
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Joementum posted:This is not the only Newt-holding-a-snake photo. Please reassure me that the others aren't NSFW.
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Silver Nitrate posted:Reptiles: http://www.humanesociety.org/issues/exotic_pets/facts/dangerous-exotic-pets-constrictor-snakes.html?credit=web_id85539248 "Allowing private possession of these dangerous reptiles threatens public safety, environmental health, and the welfare of the animals themselves." "Pythons, boa constrictors, anacondas, and other large snakes should not be kept as pets" This is actually the most biologically sound and ethical response to the vast majority of cases involving exotic herps and birds as pets. Hth, but those are essentially the consensus opinions held by experts across several branches of biology for a myriad of ecological and individual welfare reasons. As a working biologist and recovering herp enthusiast myself this happens to be my professional opinion as well. Now, are they the consensus opinions held by bird fanciers and herp
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Joementum posted:This is not the only Newt-holding-a-snake photo. I think the world's loss is that Newt Gingrich went into politics instead of becoming the next Jack Hanna. The only time that dude ever looks human is when he's interacting with animals, and then he looks absolutely elated.
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TheQat posted:yo did this get posted yet? Holy poo poo Bors is right. I'm not sure if she did it on purpose, but drat if it isn't true.
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Boa constrictor is the only animal whose genus-species name is the same as its common name.Joementum posted:This is not the only Newt-holding-a-snake photo. I've always thought he looked like the nasty version of TV's Frank.  He can't be the evil version since TV's Frank is evil.
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DOJ clears IRS of wrongdoing after 2-year investigation.quote:Washington (CNN)The Justice Department notified members of Congress on Friday that it is closing its two-year investigation into whether the IRS improperly targeted the tea party and other conservative groups. Prepare for your conservative friends to go, "pffff of course the DOJ cleared them! They're part of the OBUMMER GOVERNMENT!!!"
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 LOOK OUT, CLINTON CAUGHT IN MAJOR LIE AT BENGHAZI HEARING GUYShttp://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2015/10/23/state-cant-verify-clinton-email-claim-made-at-benghazi-hearing/ quote:Late in Mrs. Clinton’s marathon, 11-hour long appearance on Capitol Hill, she told the panel’s Republican chairman that “90 to 95% of my work related emails were in the State’s system, if they wanted to see them, they would certainly have been able to do so.” Ah HA! While most likely she's correct, it's possible she might not be technically correct and it's possible she could have actually not told the truth though there's no motive for her to have done so and even if she was off by a bit that actually doesn't really mean anything but still AH HA!
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That sounds like a high crime and misdemeanor to me!
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pathetic little tramp posted:
"Secretary Clinton, when you shampooed your hair, did you lather and rinse?" "Yes" "...but did you repeat? A ha! What other procedures have you been cavalierly ignoring, I wonder..."
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Cabbit posted:I think the world's loss is that Newt Gingrich went into politics instead of becoming the next Jack Hanna. The only time that dude ever looks human is when he's interacting with animals, and then he looks absolutely elated. It's like we're in an alternate timeline that errantly split off when Gingrich chose to be a politician instead of a zookeeper. In the other timeline the 1995 Republican Revolution and subsequent insanity never happened because Newt is wearing a khaki uniform and safari pith helmet and having the time of his life feeding Koala bears and handling exotic pythons.
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Xarthor posted:DOJ clears IRS of wrongdoing after 2-year investigation. I've already seen this and a few people saying they should charge her because she pled the 5th which obviously means you're guilty. People's understand of how American justice actually works vs how it works on TV just astounds me sometimes.
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OAquinas posted:"Secretary Clinton, when you shampooed your hair, did you lather and rinse?" Haha, you liked Dana Carvey stand-up.
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Aurubin posted:Oof, this title is just mean, entitled bastard that Chafee is notwithstanding: quote:Perhaps, I said hopefully, this policy had attracted metric advocates to Chafee’s campaign? He shook his head. “No, no, no,” he said. Not even metric advocates would go for Chafee. Man, now I just feel bad for him.
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Silver Nitrate posted:The same HSUS that is under investigation for raising over a million dollars for Oklahoma animal disaster victims then only giving 100k to people in Oklahoma? Yeah, whatever. In regards to the Oklahoma thing it's a little different than you put there. http://www.tulsaworld.com/homepagel...1a4bcf6878.html So the Center for Consumer Freedom (these guys again) send out a week long campaign after AG Scott Pruitt issued his consumer advisory against HSUS. This guy is currently sued by a former AG who claims that he is doing it for political reaons. http://www.tulsaworld.com/newshomep...fa00d165e6.html If I recall that RICO was about the guy that animal rights groups paid in order to testify against the organization which owns the Ringling Bros Circus after they counter sued. HSUS adsorbed the group that originally brought the charges up (I don't remember which one) in early the early 2000s. Then Ringlings counter sued using RICO and alot of their complaints were thrown out and it was eventually settled. It sounds to me the witness they got was not creditible whatsoever which is what ended up screwing them since the original lawsuit regarding elephant cruelty was never ruled on because of the settlement. It seems really complicated but it's hard to research more because google is clogged with industry groups glibly describing the suit without details and right wing sites gloating about sticking it to animal rights people. This one ended up involving all the big animal rights organizations. Just taking info from places like CCF or Protect The Harvest (which has a lot of your same info) which is a lobbying group for animal agriculture and puppy mills that specifically was started to attack animal rights groups is pretty bad. I'm not saying animal rights organizations are pristine but they have a lot of powerful enemies. In regards to that snake I don't see how they are "spreading misinformation" any more than literally every news organization in regards to that story. I'm not sure where you are getting your info that they were murdered since the police don't seem to agree with you. http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/en/news/2015/31/man-charged-connection-deaths-barthe-brothers-campbellton-nb
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Republicans posted:Haha, you liked Dana Carvey stand-up. Dammit. I was 16 and foolish. 
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Joementum posted:This is not the only Newt-holding-a-snake photo. I am impressed that so far no one has had the poor taste to post any photos of him with Callista in response to this.
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Aurubin posted:Oof, this title is just mean, entitled bastard that Chafee is notwithstanding: It's pretty hilarious that they wrote this about Chafee while Lessig is still running. I blame the fact that nobody in the media gives a poo poo about Lessig for this. Joementum posted:Update: I guessed wrong and he's going to put out a statement that they're staying on the panel. Not sure why that needs a statement, but ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ He knows that quitting would feed into the "Dems running scared" narrative so he would rather make a statement saying "We know this is bullshit but instead of quitting were just going to watch them shoot themselves in the foot over and over again while trying not to laugh." RevKrule posted:I've already seen this and a few people saying they should charge her because she pled the 5th which obviously means you're guilty. So if using a provision of the constitution to proclaim innocence means you are guilty should we start arresting gun owners?
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OAquinas posted:Dammit. I was 16 and foolish. Well isn't that special.
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Xarthor posted:DOJ clears IRS of wrongdoing after 2-year investigation. I think this could really use a Congressional Committee.
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