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Your Sledgehammer posted:Because we've only managed to barely scratch the surface in truly understanding how the universe works, and even in our limited understanding, we've managed to gently caress up quite a large number of things. The other thing to realize is that we'll never have full knowledge of the way the world/universe/nature works, because despite what we've been lead to believe, we are not capable of understanding things from a truly objective point of view. "Objectivity" in the scientific sense is impossible, which is something that even science itself is willing to admit. Yes, I loving know we're not 100% objective. Don't lecture me on why we can't be "fully" in control of nature when you're the one who used the drat term. If your response is to turn around and say "haha, full control is impossible", then you deliberately made a nonsensical statement. Take that poo poo to GBS. Let me try again. What, to you, is "nature" and why shouldn't we have control over it to the fullest extent possible? Because we sometimes get things wrong? Why should (for example) you be allowed to post, if you have full control over your post and might get something wrong?
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There are basically infinite resources sitting in our solar system, waiting to be used, friend. e:vvvv one could say much the same about your mom vvvvv 
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Oct 23, 2015 21:33
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Why is it a good thing to allow humans to leave Earth, and why should I care whether future generations are able to explore space? Just keep us on this planet and "abort" the rest of our species before they're born.
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Oct 23, 2015 21:40
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Radbot posted:Why is it a good thing to allow humans to leave Earth, and why should I care whether future generations are able to explore space? Just keep us on this planet and "abort" the rest of our species before they're born. Why don't you just kill yourself then?
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Oct 23, 2015 21:55
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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If we ever reach the point of "natural" control in which we can essentially materialize things from other things or from nothing (replicators and/or nano-reconstructive technologies), the "but what if we run out???" fear is utterly moot. And it is entirely possible, and possibly likely, that we will get that far, so long as we don't die before then.
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Oct 23, 2015 22:04
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Unfortunately we don't have the time to wait around for fantasy technologies to save us.
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Oct 23, 2015 22:12
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KaptainKrunk posted:Unfortunately we don't have the time to wait around for fantasy technologies to save us. Nobody is saying this either, christ.
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Oct 23, 2015 22:20
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blowfish posted:Why don't you just kill yourself then? Because there's a difference between people already here and people that aren't here yet, Mr. Pro Life.
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Oct 23, 2015 22:27
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How are u posted:Nobody is saying this either, christ. Sure they are, perhaps implicitly. Keeping warming under 2 C is impossible without severe cuts that policymakers aren't willing to consider. The hope is that things aren't going to as bad as scientists think, we can geoengineer our way out of the problem, or vast improvements in renewable energy will rapidly cut emissions in the next decade and a half. You'd be surprised at the number of people who would consider dangerous geoengineering projects rather than entertain the possibility that we could or should change our current consumption patterns/economic system. I also think talk of replicators or somehow fleeing our planet just distracts from the topic at hand, so my statement was also partially aimed at that too.
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Oct 24, 2015 02:50
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KaptainKrunk posted:Sure they are, perhaps implicitly. Keeping warming under 2 C is impossible without severe cuts that policymakers aren't willing to consider. The hope is that things aren't going to as bad as scientists think, we can geoengineer our way out of the problem, or vast improvements in renewable energy will rapidly cut emissions in the next decade and a half. Sure, OK. I'm working in the climate change lobby right now and all of us are not exactly wishing on a wing and a prayer for some magical techno-savior to come and deliver us from climate change. We recognize that the current emission reduction pledges obviously won't hold us under 2C, and we are not naively hoping that things are not as bad as they seem and I can loving guarantee you that no serious loving person involved in CC advocacy in Washington is pushing loving geo-engineering. No. We recognize that we work within a flawed system, but at the same time we also recognize that climate change is far and away becoming one of the most important and relevant issues of our time. Feel free to look up the polling on how the millenial generation feels about climate change vs everybody older. Times are changing, and times are changing quickly. Paris 2015 won't be the end-all solution, but it will set up a basic framework. We are betting on the fact that the younger generations that are rapidly overtaking the old guard will take the framework we build today and improve upon it in the near future. Just to reiterate: Nobody who is seriously involved in real climate change advocacy today, right now, in Washington DC, is crossing their fingers for some loving science miracle oror geoengineering projects. Nor do we naively hope that things won't be as bad as science predicts. We're not idiots, you fucker. e: maybe the people you talk to on reddit are advocating geo-engineering, but if that's the case you should stick to talking about it with them and not painting people who are fighting for our loving future as dipshit nerd morons. How are u fucked around with this message at 04:56 on Oct 24, 2015 |
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Oct 24, 2015 04:52
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I thought people who lobby were supposed to be personable and not call people idiot fucker nerds.
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Oct 24, 2015 06:16
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Uncle Jam posted:I thought people who lobby were supposed to be personable and not call people idiot fucker nerds. did you not notice you're posting on something awful? How are u posted:No. We recognize that we work within a flawed system, but at the same time we also recognize that climate change is far and away becoming one of the most important and relevant issues of our time. Feel free to look up the polling on how the millenial generation feels about climate change vs everybody older. Times are changing, and times are changing quickly. Paris 2015 won't be the end-all solution, but it will set up a basic framework. We are betting on the fact that the younger generations that are rapidly overtaking the old guard will take the framework we build today and improve upon it in the near future. Do you think Paris is the last chance for a framework through the cop process?
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 Holy poo poo Some of the people who are involved in the climate change lobby think the colonization of space is a practical solution to climate change gently caress everything those idiot physicists and engineers at NASA say about how unfeasible this is, we're going TO SPACE
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Oct 24, 2015 14:48
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Marijuana Nihilist posted:
 are you confusing something awful forums posting with actual policy
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How are u posted:Sure, OK.  (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Oct 24, 2015 14:56
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Marijuana Nihilist posted:
Sending oil and gas CEOs and lobbyists into space would be a solution. It's not the most practical, but I appreciate the theatrics.
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Oct 24, 2015 21:21
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At least population growth slows down/becomes negative once people reach a certain level of wealth. So that's a plus.
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Oct 24, 2015 22:11
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Radbot posted:Why is it a good thing to allow humans to leave Earth, and why should I care whether future generations are able to explore space? Just keep us on this planet and "abort" the rest of our species before they're born. Because everything else on and about earth is unquestionably hosed dead in a couple of hundred million years if nothing gets off this rock. And if you don't care about that, then yeah, stop posting dumb crap or just off your selfish rear end already. edit: million is not thousand Batham fucked around with this message at 23:09 on Oct 24, 2015 |
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Oct 24, 2015 22:41
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Batham posted:Because everything else on and about earth is unquestionably hosed dead in a couple of hundred thousand years if nothing gets off this rock. And if you don't care about that, then yeah, stop posting dumb crap or just off your selfish rear end already. You realize your statement isn't based on scientific conclusions, right?
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Oct 24, 2015 22:50
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Batham posted:Because everything else on and about earth is unquestionably hosed dead in a couple of hundred thousand years if nothing gets off this rock. And if you don't care about that, then yeah, stop posting dumb crap or just off your selfish rear end already. If the human species have to survive in a pressure chamber with an artificial ecology, it might as well be on Earth.
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Trabisnikof posted:You realize your statement isn't based on scientific conclusions, right? True, I went too far by stating that everything is hosed. Microbes will probably survive a lot longer.
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Oct 24, 2015 22:56
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Batham posted:True, I went too far by stating that everything is hosed. Microbes will probably survive a lot longer. I get you want an excuse for your depression, but science doesn't support the conclusion that all the plants and animals will die if humans are on earth in X years.
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Trabisnikof posted:I get you want an excuse for your depression, but science doesn't support the conclusion that all the plants and animals will die if humans are on earth in X years. Sure it does, and it has nothing to do with humans.
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Batham posted:It does and it has nothing to do with humans. Oh I didn't realize we were discussing the sun going red giant in the climate change thread.
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Trabisnikof posted:Oh I didn't realize we were discussing the sun going red giant in the climate change thread. Don't worry, I also "mistyped" hundred thousands of years instead of hundreds of millions years. And about it not fitting in the climate change thread, sure it does... it's just a bit more extreme and long term climate change. 
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Oct 24, 2015 23:12
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Have we done anything about red giant mitigation?
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Banana Man posted:Have we done anything about red giant mitigation? I seriously think a lot about how to adapt and mitigate the great heat death
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Banana Man posted:Have we done anything about red giant mitigation? We could tie a giant engine to the Earth and thrust prograde to raise our orbit 
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Elysium was a documentary to some.
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quote:Gov. Pat McCrory signed a controversial environmental deregulation bill Friday, despite a last-minute lobbying push from environmentalists who wanted him to veto the legislation.
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Banana Man posted:Have we done anything about red giant mitigation? Forget red giant mitigation, what's this thread's solution to the eventual heat death of the universe huh?!
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Uhh, I'd like to cite Asimov, Isaac, and his paper on the subject.
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Anosmoman posted:If the human species have to survive in a pressure chamber with an artificial ecology, it might as well be on Earth. If that pressure chamber with an artificial ecology can fly around and visit other solar systems in a reasonable amount of time it...well, sounds pretty drat awesome. Sign me up, I want to fly around in the one of those. I'll clean the drat toilets for the rest of my life if it means I get to fly around and see cool space things while doing it.
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ToxicSlurpee posted:If that pressure chamber with an artificial ecology can fly around and visit other solar systems in a reasonable amount of time it...well, sounds pretty drat awesome. Sign me up, I want to fly around in the one of those. I'll clean the drat toilets for the rest of my life if it means I get to fly around and see cool space things while doing it. 
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ToxicSlurpee posted:If that pressure chamber with an artificial ecology can fly around and visit other solar systems in a reasonable amount of time it...well, sounds pretty drat awesome. Sign me up, I want to fly around in the one of those. I'll clean the drat toilets for the rest of my life if it means I get to fly around and see cool space things while doing it. Fly as fast as you can; you won't live to see anything we haven't already visited up close with a probe. If you fly for 35 years maybe you can pass a voyager.
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Oct 25, 2015 15:05
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All we have to do is invent the warp speed, and aliens will help us cure disease, poverty, and war within the next 30 years
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VitalSigns posted:All we have to do is invent the warp speed, and aliens will help us cure disease, poverty, and war within the next 30 years cool if they don't we still have a kickass warp drive
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Are we screwed again it is the thread on another one of its "it's not so bad get out and fix it goon" kicks?
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Arglebargle III posted:Are we screwed again it is the thread on another one of its "it's not so bad get out and fix it goon" kicks? No, all hope is lost so we took a sharp right straight into space colonization.
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Space technology has been advancing pretty strongly and this rock is turning into a hideous mess so it's only natural to look at space and say "hey let's go gently caress that up too."
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