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Tracula posted:I hate to be the person who disagrees with Anita but more people were angry because Unity didn't work at all more so than it not having a female hero. after the game came out yeah, but beforehand there were a ton of people making fun of it for them saying that making a playable female character would "double the animation budget" or something ridiculous like that
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Tracula posted:I hate to be the person who disagrees with Anita but more people were angry because Unity didn't work at all more so than it not having a female hero. Not really, there wer people making fun of how broken it was, sure, but it was nowhere near as big the people giving it poo poo for not having female characters, especially after they doubled down and tried to justify it.
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Oct 23, 2015 12:22
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watho posted:Not really, there wer people making fun of how broken it was, sure, but it was nowhere near as big the people giving it poo poo for not having female characters, especially after they doubled down and tried to justify it. Yeah... That was kind of the initial nonsense but people are gonna remember the technical disaster Unity was over the stupid female animation thing.
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Oct 23, 2015 12:30
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Tracula posted:Yeah... That was kind of the initial nonsense but people are gonna remember the technical disaster Unity was over the stupid female animation thing. lmao if you think people will remember anything about an Assasins Creed game.
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Oct 23, 2015 12:33
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Tracula posted:I hate to be the person who disagrees with Anita but more people were angry because Unity didn't work at all more so than it not having a female hero. From E3 to launch their stupid female character justifications (and the confusing British accents for important characters) were all people talked about. That the convo changed to rampant glitches upon release is an additional failing of the game that everyone was pissed about (except me, because I didn't get any glitches  ). At that point I was mainly annoyed by how boring Arno and the story was and how lacking the stealth was compared to previous games (which wasn't great before, honestly). Seriously, why did they remove the whistle button? 
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Oct 23, 2015 13:59
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TheMaestroso posted:From E3 to launch their stupid female character justifications (and the confusing British accents for important characters) were all people talked about. That the convo changed to rampant glitches upon release is an additional failing of the game that everyone was pissed about (except me, because I didn't get any glitches Little known stereotype: the French can't whistle
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Wait, how did they manage to make the stealth worse? It was already garbage so I don't really understand how they did that.
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Oct 23, 2015 14:07
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Alaois posted:after the game came out yeah, but beforehand there were a ton of people making fun of it for them saying that making a playable female character would "double the animation budget" or something ridiculous like that The budget thing was hilarious and didnt stand a hope of flying, simply because there have always been playable female characters in multiplayer all the way back to Brotherhood. All the mocapped moves in multiplayer are the same as in singleplayer, so the whole shabby argument got laughed out the door.
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Oct 23, 2015 14:09
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Neddy Seagoon posted:The budget thing was hilarious and didnt stand a hope of flying, simply because there have always been playable female characters in multiplayer all the way back to Brotherhood. All the mocapped moves in multiplayer are the same as in singleplayer, so the whole shabby argument got laughed out the door. Plus they had already made and remastered a game with a female protagonist. It probably sold like piss though since it was on the Vita and the remaster just sorta happened.
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https://youtu.be/PqTCVTsdZB0 I know, I know. It's better to just ignore skull man at this point but man. He's such an insane piece of poo poo that pretty much nobody else in GG or whatever wants anything to do with him.
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It's all small victories. Pretty soon women will star in their own AAA titles without having to share it with a guy (who is front and center in the boxart). From what I hear, at least the woman is the better character. The guy is apparently some insufferable jackass. This is a pretty good video on Syndicate. From Gamespot, no less.
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Oct 23, 2015 22:39
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Tracula posted:https://youtu.be/PqTCVTsdZB0 Man, every diss video these guys make for each other are so funny to me in that they are so absolutely correct in everything say. The only time they ever have genuinely valid points is when flinging poo poo at one another. Beautiful. Also love the way he repeatedly claims that Thunderf00t has "no integrity" while calling him "Thunderfart" the entire time. 
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Jimbot posted:It's all small victories. Pretty soon women will star in their own AAA titles without having to share it with a guy (who is front and center in the boxart). You mean besides Lara Croft? There's been a lot of games in the last 10 years that are on the larger side of console games with female leads, which is important to note because triple-A games as the scale and size of old is increasingly getting smaller due to the HD development costs. Danny O'Dwyer's a generally good video person. Check out all his previous Points games when he's not being asked if he's british.
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Tae posted:There's been a lot of games in the last 10 years that are on the larger side of console games with female leads I didn't know that! I really should find a way to keep abreast of gaming news. Could you give me some examples, if it's not too much trouble?
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There are a lot of games with female protagonists that are front and center. The problem is adding on the cavats of "on a console", "good game", "AAA", and "actually has characters with personality" and well you get next to nothing. If you just want a good PC, mobile, or handheld with good women characters I have a ton for you, but apparently they don't count for some reason.
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paradoxGentleman posted:I didn't know that! I really should find a way to keep abreast of gaming news. I'll narrow it down to non-remake Console games by major companies (Quality not included): -Mirror’s Edge and upcoming Mirror's Edge: Catalyst (EA) -Lara Croft and upcoming Rise of the Tomb Raider (Square Enix-Eidos) -Life is Strange (Square Enix-Dontnod) -Beyond: Two Souls (Quantic Dream) -Remember Me (Capcom-Dontnod) -Assassin's Creed III: Liberation (Ubisoft) -Final Fantasy 13-2 and Lightning Returns (Square Enix) And then if you go further down to games that feature a female as the lead among a male main protag, it gets bigger, and then not-so big companies like Monolith and indies probably add another 50 at least. Terrible Opinions posted:There are a lot of games with female protagonists that are front and center. The problem is adding on the cavats of "on a console", "good game", "AAA", and "actually has characters with personality" and well you get next to nothing. If you just want a good PC, mobile, or handheld with good women characters I have a ton for you, but apparently they don't count for some reason. Any game that sells millions of copies should be considered, since isn't that the point if it exposes to a large number of people? So Life is Strange costs 10 times less than Watch_Dogs, it still sold over a million which is a large number for most games.
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Tracula posted:https://youtu.be/PqTCVTsdZB0 I'm a little surprised Davis didn't fellate a shotgun or jump out a window clutching Dr. Racistskull for dear life after Trudeau won a majority. God, Aurini must be sooo pissed that the Liberals are back at the helm after a decade in exile
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nine-gear crow posted:I'm a little surprised Davis didn't fellate a shotgun or jump out a window clutching Dr. Racistskull for dear life after Trudeau won a majority. God, Aurini must be sooo pissed that the Liberals are back at the helm after a decade in exile I think he moved to Texas in protest.
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The first RPG I ever played was "Phantasy Star" for the Sega Master System, which had a female protagonist and had female writers and artists in the project. Looked incredible for the time, too. The original series (1-4) are excellent (3 had some good ideas but was weak overall. It was the only one Rieko Kodama didn't work on). And the series had some groundbreaking ideas (particularly 2 and later 4). It remains my favorite overall RPG series, and serves as a great example of strong female protagonists / main characters. It's a shame that what the brand is now is so far removed from where it'd been.
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Tracula posted:https://youtu.be/PqTCVTsdZB0 Funny how everyone he dislikes turns out to be a "narcissist" or posturing. As much as the world as an anime convention would be a nightmare, I'd rather that than filled with Skull dude. Speaking of which, that Memories review was pretty decent, especially when pointing out the techniques and use of CG.
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I think Phelan and Allison have stumbled upon another weird artifact of the 1990s like Plumbers Don't Wear Ties, except this isn't a videogame: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7MTJekiUeQ
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kaleidolia posted:Funny how everyone he dislikes turns out to be a "narcissist" or posturing. As much as the world as an anime convention would be a nightmare, I'd rather that than filled with Skull dude. I was scanning through the full version of that video to try and find the moment where they learn Trudeau got a majority just to hear their heads explode for schadenfreude purposes and just... HOLY gently caress! You can just plop the cursor literally anywhere on the video time bar and one of them (particularly Aurini or the weird alternate history Canadian flag guy) will be saying something utterly ghastly offensive in some manner. Davis Aurini is a capital-E Evil human being and it disgusts me to my core that he's Canadian. 
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Jack Gladney posted:I think he moved to Texas in protest. That would not surprise me for some reason... 
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Tae posted:I'll narrow it down to non-remake Console games by major companies (Quality not included): Sony announce a a game called ARC I think last E3, it is a new IP that feature a female lead. it got lost in the wake of sony showing off 3 games that been in the dream list of games people wanted for years.
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Cyron posted:Sony announce a a game called ARC I think last E3, it is a new IP that feature a female lead. it got lost in the wake of sony showing off 3 games that been in the dream list of games people wanted for years. There was also that Xbone game with the girl and the orb that magically animates scrap heaps into robots.
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Tae posted:Any game that sells millions of copies should be considered, since isn't that the point if it exposes to a large number of people? So Life is Strange costs 10 times less than Watch_Dogs, it still sold over a million which is a large number for most games. Sadly Valve's various games which are the absolute top sellers are still mostly lacking in representation, despite being the sort of games that really wouldn't require any sort of change to accommodate women. I don't really see any reason for TF2 or CS:GO to not have female characters, other than TF2 being old and having next to no real effort put into it in years.
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Terrible Opinions posted:An easy one for Steam is Portal and it's sequel. The two central characters are both women and the only men are defined entirely by being lesser than the women. Aquaria and Transistor are both games starring women and together represent 300 thousand and 700 thousand current owners respectively on Steam. The "current owners" thing is important because that means 1 million copies that have not been refunded. While Watch_dogs had a higher peak, most people realized it was a garbage game and refunded it taking it from a peak of 2 million to half a million owners today. You're forgetting Left 4 Dead and Left 4 Dead 2. Both had female playable characters who were as capable as the male ones.
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Left4Dead, Dota 2, the various Civilizations, Total Wars, and other top sellers are on Steam are either mostly unisex or have equal ish representation. Which is what the baseline really should be. However they don't really work as narrative games where the woman lead doesn't have to share screen time with male lead. Which was the original goal, or so I was thinking. If you're including all games that are where the bar should be rather than actively challenging the supposed domination of male protags Steam is practically utopian. Though honestly representation in say Assassin's Creed or Battlefield is kind of a valueless endeavor, because like all other massively sequalized "AAA" game out there it's a bad series. Call of Duty, Assassin's Creed, the Arkam games, etc are and will remain terrible so long as they're sequalized. Representation in the original few games that kicked off each series could have been worthwhile, but changing anything about the modern entries is about as meaningful as Halloween 8 having a black character as one of the survivors.
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Terrible Opinions posted:Though honestly representation in say Assassin's Creed or Battlefield is kind of a valueless endeavor, because like all other massively sequalized "AAA" game out there it's a bad series. Call of Duty, Assassin's Creed, the Arkam games, etc are and will remain terrible so long as they're sequalized. Representation in the original few games that kicked off each series could have been worthwhile, but changing anything about the modern entries is about as meaningful as Halloween 8 having a black character as one of the survivors. Why should only things of high quality try for representation?
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Idran posted:Why should only things of high quality try for representation? Now obviously any restructuring that turned AAA publishers into decent companies would be accompanied by some manner of gender and racial understanding that is lacking, things like the fact that latinos exist. However any bone thrown to quite down customers about representation doesn't represent any such change by itself.
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Jsor posted:There was also that Xbone game with the girl and the orb that magically animates scrap heaps into robots. ReCORE! That game looked cool in concept.
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I recommend everyone to check SF debris video about "back to the future" . The entire BTTF trilogy got such a clever and tight scripting , full of story hooks and set ups that pays off perfectly so I was surprised to hear about how much troubled the production of the first ended up being and what an uphill battle it was even to get that script greenlight.
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I've been enjoying Sfdebris branching out into non-trek stuff. Don't get me wrong I love Star Trek and have seen nearly every episode from every series. What was really amusing was just as I started reading Foundation he did his look at them so as I finished each of the first three novels I gave his retrospective a listen for each and it definitely made me like them even better, especially the third book which I wasn't as into until he broke down all the themes and ideas of it.
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Tracula posted:I've been enjoying Sfdebris branching out into non-trek stuff. Don't get me wrong I love Star Trek and have seen nearly every episode from every series. Well, sure, but it's not like this is a new thing. He has been reviewing a lot of other fantasy and scifi stuff besides Star Trek, if not as frequently.
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Yeah I know. It just seems like he's doing more movies and books now not just sci fi shows.
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Well he's gotta run out of Star Trek stuff eventually right? Better to branch out now before the well runs dry.
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Alacron posted:Well he's gotta run out of Star Trek stuff eventually right? Better to branch out now before the well runs dry. By my estimates, he has about 350 episodes from all the Star Trek shows left to do. Since he does one episode a week, with the occasional week off, he has until 2023 before it's all done.
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Lindsay's dad succumbed to Parkinson's 
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Benne posted:Lindsay's dad succumbed to Parkinson's
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Lindsay is asking for donations to this charity: https://www.michaeljfox.org/tribute/tribute-page.php?id=18571 Please donate if you can. 
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