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hotsauce posted:Why is "certifying" phones so drat important to Verizon? X,Y,Z can be a myriad of things from "We want a special version just for our network so we can be exclusive and different", "We demand that all updates be approved by us", to "We want 10000 blue, 20000 white, and 90000 black ones". A,B,C can be things like full RCS Protocol support, VoLTE or ViLTE support, or even say how the 4G/LTE signal text is displayed. TA is basically a large multi month testing process that all phones go through. Imagine just doing everything your phone can do over and over in a test loop for months on end. Phone crashes, incorrect signaling to the network etc, all come up here and get fixed. I get the sense that many networks can be pretty fragile -- it doesn't seem like they are robust to handle many phones that behave badly. I think(?) AT&T has the most rigorous process and if you can get through it you'll be pretty good for other carriers.
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But the Ars article I posted says:quote:The problem is Verizon can't really do that. As one of the conditions for being able to operate in the 700MHz frequency band, Verizon's network (or at least parts of it) are subject to open access requirements. In short, any phone that's compatible and FCC certified must be authenticated by Verizon. There are constraints here; unlike the Carterfone decision in 1968 that opened up AT&T's wired phone network to any device that was safe and compatible, Verizon can, and does, still require that phones pass through a certification process before allowing them on the network. But that authentication process, conducted not by Verizon itself but by third-party testing services, is open to anyone willing to pay the fee. It takes a few weeks, but once a phone passes the tests, Verizon has no option but to authenticate.
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xylo posted:All carriers do this. Thanks for the insight. I know there are technical and business reasons for certification (i.e. revenue), but I still can't seem to wrap my head around why Verizon feels to need to stonewall devices. I can buy any GSM phone in the world, put in my SIM in and off I go. At worst, I'd need to enter APN settings, but it would work with minimal fuss. I guess it's because AT&T/T-Mobile would like to have the level of control that Verizon does, but really can't. Verizon and Sprint are special in that they have the ESN database they control, so they win every time. Either way, it's unfortunate for Verizon users to be required to wait on the device they want to be blessed. It is what it is I guess. Anyhow, carrier chat ITT. If I didn't just drop a lot of money on a Nexus 6P, I'd be in for an XL. Being hotsauce, I'll probably get one used at some point (if Windows Phone doesn't fizzle out...) The hardware looks to be bananas.
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hotsauce posted:Thanks for the insight. I know there are technical and business reasons for certification (i.e. revenue), but I still can't seem to wrap my head around why Verizon feels to need to stonewall devices. I can buy any GSM phone in the world, put in my SIM in and off I go. At worst, I'd need to enter APN settings, but it would work with minimal fuss. quote:I guess it's because AT&T/T-Mobile would like to have the level of control that Verizon does, but really can't. Verizon and Sprint are special in that they have the ESN database they control, so they win every time.
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Uthor posted:But the Ars article I posted says: The important part is that Verizon only has that condition on one part of their LTE spectrum, AFAIK. Voice and text still goes through CDMA, and until Verizon is entirely voice-over-LTE and abandons CDMA entirely, that fair use type agreement doesn't actually matter in practice.
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Ah, okay.
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I don't know how you guys can stand that. In europe you can buy a phone on your shop of choice and it'll work on your carrier as long as you don't try a locked phone with a different carrier's sim. Also if you get a carrier locked device and your contract expires, the carrier has to unlock it so you can use it with another carrier (via code or whatever).
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Guillermus posted:I don't know how you guys can stand that. In europe you can buy a phone on your shop of choice and it'll work on your carrier as long as you don't try a locked phone with a different carrier's sim. Also if you get a carrier locked device and your contract expires, the carrier has to unlock it so you can use it with another carrier (via code or whatever).
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Guillermus posted:I don't know how you guys can stand that. In europe you can buy a phone on your shop of choice and it'll work on your carrier as long as you don't try a locked phone with a different carrier's sim. Also if you get a carrier locked device and your contract expires, the carrier has to unlock it so you can use it with another carrier (via code or whatever). It's not too difficult to buy an unlocked device and use it on the GSM networks (AT&T/T-Mobile plus any of the MVNOs using their network). My current device was bought directly from the manufacturer, my carrier hasn't officially certified the device to the best of my knowledge, but it works fine. I know T-Mobile (my carrier) was willing to unlock my previous, carrier-locked phone only a few months in since I was traveling outside the country, and my friend who has an AT&T device didn't have a problem either.
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So technically I released a new Windows 10 app last night, "PSN.Appx". It's a very basic PSN Client that let's you access PlayStation Services. I say technically because it's not available in the store. Here's the screenshot saying it's in the store. But the actual link to it does not work and you can't find it in the store. I never got an email saying it passed either. So I don't know what's going on. 
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Potential explanation for the Verizon issue. https://www.reddit.com/r/windowsphone/comments/3pdycp/source_with_accurate_history_claims_that_ms_may/
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New build today, it's 72. Only issue is it has the same update bug so you'd have to roll back to get it. They're release it early because people voted for that. But on Tuesday-ish Gabe Aul said 75 will be released with the fix for the update bug. Edit: 72 available now. .Tim fucked around with this message at 22:43 on Oct 20, 2015 |
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That's neat, someone had asked about this earlier:quote:Microsoft is unifying its mobile and PC platforms with Windows 10, and now we're starting to see new features that really take advantage of the new operating system. Microsoft is releasing a new preview of its Windows 10 Mobile software today that allows Cortana to send texts from your PC. If you use a Windows 10 Mobile device then Cortana will notify you of any missed calls, and you can reply straight from your PC. http://blogs.windows.com/windowsexperience/2015/10/20/announcing-windows-10-mobile-insider-preview-build-10572/ http://www.theverge.com/2015/10/20/9578645/cortana-windows-10-send-texts-pc Maneki Neko fucked around with this message at 23:11 on Oct 20, 2015 |
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That will be the killer feature for me moving forward. I know that iOS/OSX already has that, but it's a completely critical must-have feature now. Could be frustrating to not be able to turn Cortana off though.
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Rurutia posted:My husband is clutching his icon for dear life and hoping it survives until the surface phone comes out. Him and me both. I love this phone. Hoping the new phones end up activating on Verizon.
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Drastic Actions posted:So technically I released a new Windows 10 app last night, "PSN.Appx". It's a very basic PSN Client that let's you access PlayStation Services. I say technically because it's not available in the store. So it got fixed a few hours ago, so you can download it now  , also here is the code so you can laugh at how bad it is. I am proud of my brute forcing of the authentication workflow though.On the dashboard I decided to take a peek at my old PSN app, FoulPlay (which has not been updated in about a year.) to see the download counts. This is from September to Today.  Windows 10 did overtake 8, but there is still some people holding out there. Here is the total for the past year:   Windows Phone kicked the poo poo out of the other devices. But I have zero idea how many people actually use the app. Again, I have not updated it close to a year. And it's totally free and open source. I made zero dollars on it. Hopefully this time with a new codebase and understanding of how to make an app, it should go better. If nothing else, I can have a PlayStation app deployed onto an Xbox One 
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Drastic Actions posted:If nothing else, I can have a PlayStation app deployed onto an Xbox One That sounds like a magnet for bad reviews due to twisted brand loyalty.
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Comments/Posts on Windows Central saying 10572 is a huge improvement over previous builds for perf/battery life. I eventually rolled back to 8.1 on my 925 but probably gonna install it tomorrow & kick the tires. http://www.windowscentral.com/video-windows-10-mobile-build-10572 I bet I still can't have different notification sounds for different email accounts in Win10 though 
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I installed it on a spare 920 I have, and I have to say that now I'm finally tempted to use it as a daily driver on my 930.
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Maneki Neko posted:That's neat, someone had asked about this earlier: So iMessage for windows? That is key. It is probably the feature of a top to bottom apple house that I like the most and the one I would have a hard time leaving. I am really digging this new direction that MS is taking. Hopefully they will keep it up.
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The device portal is now enabled in the newest WM10 builds. So if you ever wanted to sideload random Appx files, or look at your device metrics, you now can .
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Drastic Actions posted:The device portal is now enabled in the newest WM10 builds. So if you ever wanted to sideload random Appx files, or look at your device metrics, you now can I'm not sure what this means, but it sounds like something I want to try!
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Anybody know if the 950 is out to play with at MS or AT&T stores? (The non-XL version?)
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So I'm back on the Windows Phone bandwagon for a bit. My 2013 Moto X straight up died. Like... just perished and won't charge/boot/nothing. I had $60 in Best Buy credit and the 640 is $60 there so I went ahead and got it. I probably won't stay on it and will give it to my wife after I find out what my real replacement will be but yeah for $60 it's a great phone. Touch accuracy for texting and stuff seems weirdly off but it's not a deal killer (doesn't happen all the time). However I did have a fun little adventure getting it to work. My Moto X has the nano sim which I cut myself (from a Cricket micro sim)... now the 640 only takes a micro sim so I can't really make the one I cut into a nano sim bigger (at least not easily). So I took my utility knife, lifted the metal part out of the included go phone micro sim, then lifted the existing metal off of my custom cut nano sim, got some craft glue and glued the small metal portion into the space on the micro sim and... voila! It actually worked.
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BonoMan posted:So I'm back on the Windows Phone bandwagon for a bit. My 2013 Moto X straight up died. Like... just perished and won't charge/boot/nothing. You probably need to readjust your muscle memory to the slightly different keyboard on windows phone vs android. A month since I moved to iOS, I'm enjoying myself overall, but I feel there are a few things I miss from windows phone: 1. The windows phone keyboard is flat out superior. You can access punctuation more easily, the predictive text is amazing - iOS doesn't do that at all - and the autocorrect generally is more accurate. Text selection works better in 3d touch enabled iphones though (you can use the keyboard as a giant trackpad to move the selection cursor around) 2. Do not disturb mode on iOS is useless compared to quiet time on windows phone. 3. I miss the bing lockscreen image of the day.
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8.1 got really slow on my phone so I decided to jump to 10 preview on the fast track. I'm on a Lumia 1020, and so far it's been OK. I had to hard reset to get WiFi and mobile data working. Battery life is about 90% of where it was on 8, and performance is noticeably better. There are a number of app-level bugs, like podcasts crashing when I'm trying to download and the like. Voice/Cortana isn't available in my country yet, but it still shows up everywhere just to temp me into messing with my region settings. The cursor nub on the keyboard is a pretty nifty addition. Probably the biggest annoyance is the fact that universal apps will put the hamburger menu button in the top left corner of the screen. This is, of course, quite literally the most difficult place to reach when using your phone as normal. So they added the "one handed use" shortcut to pull the screen down halfway by holding the Windows key. "One handed use" they say, as if it's some special use case. Besides the, frankly fuckin stupid, hamburger menu situation, I've been happy so far, with the understanding that there's plenty of refinement still to come.
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Welp, back to my 2013 Moto X as it only needed a hard reboot, but still... the 640 is a loving helluva phone for $60. I'm genuinely surprised it's so cheap. That's ridiculous. I'm keeping it around as a backup/burner but the app situation just looks insurmountable as far as I can see. One thing it opened my eyes to is the size. The Moto X is tiny in comparison and I now need the 6P.
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The Lord Bude posted:1. The windows phone keyboard is flat out superior. You can access punctuation more easily, the predictive text is amazing - iOS doesn't do that at all - and the autocorrect generally is more accurate. Text selection works better in 3d touch enabled iphones though (you can use the keyboard as a giant trackpad to move the selection cursor around) I really miss the WP keyboard on Android as well. For one it has a way way better dictionary for my language than any Android keyboard I have found, and for one, most importantly, it was very good at guessing when you were "deliberate" and not. If I carefully tap out a complicated word WP is very unlikely to try to correct it away from me, whereas all Android keyboards I have tried gleefully do. Plus they don't undo the correction on backspace. Overall the WP keyboard is pretty drat well thought out.
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The WP keyboard keeps doing inexplicable things like autocorrecting "is" to "I" and vice versa depending on which one I don't want, but my fiancee recently switched back to iPhone and that poo poo doesn't even have a half-decent shape keyboard
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I know I say it all the time, but I just love how sleek and still relevant the OS feels. It's the best experience of the three in my opinion. Hate having to switch back to Android .
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Cybernetic Vermin posted:Plus they don't undo the correction on backspace. Can't speak to the rest of your comments, but Google's keyboard definitely does this.
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SwiftKey doesn't do it with just a backspace, but does with a backspace and a tap (it puts the word you typed into the suggestion box).
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I finally put the latest Win10 build on my old Lumia 820, and I'm wondering if anyone in the world actually thinks that the round profile pics in the People tile looks anything other than idiotic? I'm on the fast ring on my desktop and noticed it's been updated there as well. Does nobody at MS realise how terrible it looks?
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beuges posted:I finally put the latest Win10 build on my old Lumia 820, and I'm wondering if anyone in the world actually thinks that the round profile pics in the People tile looks anything other than idiotic? It's not just a Microsoft thing, Facebook and Google+ have been doing it for ages, it's now an industry ~thing~.
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Is there some sort of AdBlock for IE on 8.1? The full-screen ads on IGN's mobile site are annoying since I always seem to hit the ad rather than the small X in the upper-right to close it.
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Charles Martel posted:Is there some sort of AdBlock for IE on 8.1? The full-screen ads on IGN's mobile site are annoying since I always seem to hit the ad rather than the small X in the upper-right to close it. Nope. If you're really lucky, next year or so when/if desktop edge starts supporting extensions, you might be able to get one for the phone version as well. Edge on phone 10 is a clusterfuck at the moment though, or at least it was before I left windows phone.
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DarkMalfunction posted:It's not just a Microsoft thing, Facebook and Google+ have been doing it for ages, it's now an industry ~thing~. We're getting round profile pics on our work badges. 
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Hexagons tessellate better, circles are inefficient. I'm surprised MS is not getting (or addressing) the feedback from the preview users on this - it's the most obviously lovely and universally complained about change I've seen so far. RE: full size ads - they're a loving plague. What with tiny X to close regions and ever-shifting position/layout as they load, I've probably generated more ad revenue trying to avoid ads than I ever have in any other fashion ever. Especially gently caress the ones which block/grey out the page and render the X to close off the screen on a mobile site which doesn't let you scroll left/right to get to it. Jeez.
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The round profile pictures are especially weird to me because the whole Metro thing is based on authentically digital squares and rectangles.
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LifeSizePotato posted:The round profile pictures are especially weird to me because the whole Metro thing is based on authentically digital squares and rectangles. Metro was generally well received by everyone who used it. The flipside of that indicates why metro is now dead.
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