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sharkbomb posted:Ah, that's right. I remember reading about Rubio's benefactor (http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/10/us/billionaire-lifts-marco-rubio-politically-and-personally.html) rescuing him from his personal money problems. I think this will be difficult for Rubio to get past that as the attention shifts towards him-- the Republican base seems especially intolerant towards politicians that are perceived as "purchased" (as Trump's effective line of attack against everyone has shown). Will people tweet this article to Trump please? I would but I don't have a Twitter account ATM. I'm being totally serious. "Hi Mr. Trump, I think this Times article about Marco Rubio's sugar daddy would interest you." Let's influence some politics.
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DivineCoffeeBinge posted:He was definitely being touted as a serious candidate for VP in 2012, especially in light of his hypothetical ability to cross demographic lines and appeal to Hispanic voters - it was felt he might offset the sheer overpowering White-Bread-osity of Romney. Having said that, Ryan and his emphasis on the budget was probably viewed as the more attractive option, given that the economy was where Romney needed all the campaign emphasis to be, so the fact that Rubio wasn't picked as the VP candidate may not be an indication that there's anything particularly damning about him... but he seemed like such a natural pick that it's still a valid question to raise, methinks. Didn't Ryan come with a $100 million dowry from the Kochs? I seem to recall that being one of the main reasons for Romney choosing him as his VP.
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Carson appeals to Iowa because it is Iowa and they love plain spoken religious nut candidates. He won't fare so well once the contest advances into places like SC.
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7 in 10 Republicans think Trump could really win it all if given the nomination. EDIT: And in case you want to panic, you know that bill which would have banned the Senate from using the filibuster? It also would have banned the passage of any new regulations from the Executive Branch until Obama left office, and House Republicans still couldn't get a majority to pass it. The chances of the US default in on the debt appear to be higher than pundits realize. ComradeCosmobot fucked around with this message at 19:35 on Oct 25, 2015 |
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I'm genuinely more scared of President Carson than President Trump.
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Trump as a nominee might in fact get 90%+ voter turnout for the Democrats.
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weekly font posted:I'm genuinely more scared of President Carson than President Trump. Seconded Empty suit to be filled with shadowy trickle down idiots on economics, empty suit to be filled with "glass the whole middle east" chickenhawks, and full suit enough only to quietly create a Christian theocracy. He's functionally identical to a Cruz + triazolam Fojar38 posted:Trump as a nominee might in fact get 90%+ voter turnout for the Democrats. I'm not sure I don't trust them to not vote for Trump on account of seeing him on the teevee
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The thing I worry about with Trump is, maybe America really is just that loving crazy and stupid
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Bob Ojeda posted:The thing I worry about with Trump is, maybe America really is just that loving crazy and stupid They aren't.
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Bob Ojeda posted:The thing I worry about with Trump is, maybe America really is just that loving crazy and stupid Americans really hate incumbent "career" politicians thanks to years of "well both sides do it and both sides are evil" messaging from the media. Trump is guaranteed at least 47% of the vote on that alone. vvv We're already at stage 3, with some pundits gearing up stage 4 articles. vvv
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A prescient tweet from a couple weeks into Trump's candidacy:quote:@ivortossell: 5 stages of Trump thinkpiece: E: Fojar38 posted:They aren't. The commentary and behavior of Trump supporters argues otherwise. They're politically brain dead and their support goes no deeper than "I love Trump he's gonna make Amurica grate again cause he said so!" while they physically assault supporters of other candidates while chanting "USA! USA!" There are way more of them out there than I'm remotely comfortable with. Rhesus Pieces fucked around with this message at 19:46 on Oct 25, 2015 |
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Fojar38 posted:They aren't. "Nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American people." EDIT: More precisely, the original quote is even more damning: quote:
quote:The mistake that is made always runs the other way. Because the plain people are able to speak and understand, and even, in many cases, to read and write, it is assumed that they have ideas in their heads, and an appetite for more. This assumption is a folly. http://www.thisdayinquotes.com/2011/09/no-one-ever-went-broke-underestimating.html Hieronymous Alloy fucked around with this message at 19:45 on Oct 25, 2015 |
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I'll point out that Trump hasn't actually been scrutinized by anyone yet, because the election is still over a year away. That's not going to last.
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Bob Ojeda posted:The thing I worry about with Trump is, maybe America really is just that loving crazy and stupid Would you like to know more?
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weekly font posted:I'm genuinely more scared of President Carson than President Trump. I can't even tell which might be worse because their weird campaign personae make it impossible to tell what kind of weird poo poo would actually hit the fan. It's entirely possible the usual Establishment preferences would assert themselves and we'd end up with a relatively milquetoast conservative. It's entirely possible they would break the Establishment and open the Hellmouth itself. I personally foresee a Le Pen situation à la France 2002, where the leftist candidate unexpectedly finished behind a crypto-fascist and everyone panicked en masse and voted for the rightist candidate, but this isn't the best metaphor because the percentage of Americans who are unironically pro-crazy seems slightly higher than in France.
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weekly font posted:I'm genuinely more scared of President Carson than President Trump. Doesn't matter, only difference one will give a bible quote while he loving you in the rear end. You should be scared of any Republican president as thats going to ensure another War somewhere and everyone in the US who doesn't have a hedge fund getting poorer.
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CannonFodder posted:TV's Frank is a Hillary supporter. He's the sidekick on John Fugelsang's show on Insight 121 on SiriusXM. He's also a common sight on the Jimmy Dore Show/Podcast.
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Bob Ojeda posted:The thing I worry about with Trump is, maybe America really is just that loving crazy and stupid Yeah. Once I started thinking things like "maybe Trump really doesn't care about X (say, women's reproductive health) and is just leaning right to get the nom," I realized that was my brain trying to rationalize away the unthinkable. It's ludicrous to think there's something special about American voters that makes them immune to a famous Strong Man blaming their problems on wicked foreigners. Fortunately they're probably outnumbered by reasonable people, but it's not an impossible scenario.
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Fojar38 posted:I'll point out that Trump hasn't actually been scrutinized by anyone yet, because the election is still over a year away. That's not going to last. I would instead point out that Trump's greatest success has been getting up to 30% in one party, and more typically hanging around 25% of that party.
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I'm very curious to see what happens with Trump and the Clintons considering their past history. Trump strikes me as the type who hates Jeb Bush for being a weenie like a school yard bully and not like the typical Republican who hates libs becauseof the massive PR Rushbo campaign of the past 25 years. I have a hard time imaging excatly what he'd say across from her at a debate.
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ComradeCosmobot posted:Americans really hate incumbent "career" politicians thanks to years of "well both sides do it and both sides are evil" messaging from the media. Americans hate people they perceive as careerist politicians because they rightly recognize that those people absolutely do not care about them or govern in their interest. That is why even a maniac like Donald Trump can find surprising levels of support by publically trying to shed that image and attacking others who remind us of it.
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happyhippy posted:Doesn't matter, only difference one will give a bible quote while he loving you in the rear end. Yes, I find the implications of that far scarier for the future of America.
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Neither of them are very good at politics, though. What is really scary for the future of America is that there is someone watching this race today who IS good at delivering reactionary outsider rhetoric while not sounding insanely boring or coming off as a clown and could actually become President.
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RuanGacho posted:I'm very curious to see what happens with Trump and the Clintons considering their past history. As do I. Aren't they personally very friendly?
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weekly font posted:I'm genuinely more scared of President Carson than President Trump. I am too, he might come after me with a hammer He has the political instincts of a pinecone.
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Nintendo Kid posted:I would instead point out that Trump's greatest success has been getting up to 30% in one party, and more typically hanging around 25% of that party. True, but said party has been remarkably good historically about falling in line and supporting candidates that they all spat upon in the primaries. And that they might be even more compelled to do so facing Confessed Commie Devil Hillary or Uber-Stalin Sanders.
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Sephyr posted:True, but said party has been remarkably good historically about falling in line and supporting candidates that they all spat upon in the primaries. And that they might be even more compelled to do so facing Confessed Commie Devil Hillary or Uber-Stalin Sanders. If Hitler learned English and changed his name, but was more forthright with his policies and had an R by his name, I have no doubt most ticket republican voters would vote for him. That's not necessarily a slam on Republican voters, it's more indicative of the natural end state of a two party system. "My candidate is better than the other candidate by default, no matter how bad my candidate is".
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As a foreigner, let me tell you that season 45 of American Presidents looks very good. I like the fact they put more humor into it, and more diverse faces although you can't really relate to the characters. But hey, Hollywood, am I right?! Nothing will ever top season 16 tho. It was better then, with practical effects and all. I heard some people died on set during filming? is this true?
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I thought this was a decent interview with Carson: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/ben-carson-slavery-abortion_562cd4c6e4b0443bb564356b Meet the Press. quote:
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Spite posted:I get the feeling it's more personal that just "this dude is a wimp and I can push him around" Yeah I just mean that while Trump hates Jeb! very obviously it's a very personal thing, which is how he runs, it's not a "This guy is in my way how dare he!" kind of hate, it's some personal vendetta and it's also different from the typical Republican vitriol on display which has to do with demonizing liberals until they're some sort of lizard people made flesh. His personal grudge on Jeb! further complicates my ability to envision how Trump would handle Clinton because as asked as far as we know they have no problems with each other.
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RuanGacho posted:Yeah I just mean that while Trump hates Jeb! very obviously it's a very personal thing, which is how he runs, it's not a "This guy is in my way how dare he!" kind of hate, it's some personal vendetta and it's also different from the typical Republican vitriol on display which has to do with demonizing liberals until they're some sort of lizard people made flesh. This may shed some light on the issue. He's apparently not liked him for a long time. https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...574b_story.html quote:“I had a fundraiser and raised about $1 million, which in those days was a lot of money,” Trump said. “In fact, I remember [Jeb Bush] saying, ‘It was the most successful fundraiser I’ve ever had.’ ” Looks like he got in bed with them or tried to they rejected him or something and he's pissed at them. Hollismason fucked around with this message at 20:52 on Oct 25, 2015 |
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Carson could've been a serial killer before he found Republican Jesus and it won't harm his numbers among the evangelicals one bit. May help them, even, and the evangelicals are all he really has
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ReagaNOMNOMicks posted:As a foreigner, let me tell you that season 45 of American Presidents looks very good. I like the fact they put more humor into it, and more diverse faces although you can't really relate to the characters. But hey, Hollywood, am I right?! I heard a leak that they are bring back a new variation of the hanging chad delay this time. Appartently if the Red side don't win they will claim it was fixed and just auto assume they won and just take over.
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RuanGacho posted:Yeah I just mean that while Trump hates Jeb! very obviously it's a very personal thing, which is how he runs, it's not a "This guy is in my way how dare he!" kind of hate, it's some personal vendetta and it's also different from the typical Republican vitriol on display which has to do with demonizing liberals until they're some sort of lizard people made flesh. Yeah definitely agree there. I have no idea how a Trump - Clinton race would go. Probably badly for american politics in general.
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Spite posted:Yeah definitely agree there. Did you ever watch any of Tyson's early pro fights? That's how it would go.
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Yeah it's pretty obvious Trump tried to expand his businesses in Florida and despite raising money for the Bush's they still cold sholdered him. edit: Looking at the family's net worth The Bushes are not the dynastic family I thought they were. For whatever reason I thought they were at least Billionaires. The Kardashians have more money than the Bushes. Hollismason fucked around with this message at 20:59 on Oct 25, 2015 |
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If Trump's entire candidacy was designed to destroy Jeb!'s dreams just because of perceived betrayal in Florida, I'm okay with that. Donald Trump: He will run for President just to crush your dreams
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SedanChair posted:Did you ever watch any of Tyson's early pro fights? That's how it would go. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vimZj8HW0Kg I'm looking forward to the debates, personally. They're going to be Veep 2012 level curbstompings
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