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Bastard Tetris posted:My wife slipped down some stairs which required $45,000 dollars in surgery ($2k after insurance which we pay $13k/year for), I'm sure in Ben Carson's America she would have died of cholera or something since we couldn't afford a surgeon that used sterile technique. Remember, HSAs were part of the Romney/Ryan healthcare platform. They aren't some crazy thing Carson dreamt up by himself. Whichever republican ends up with the nomination will likely be pushing HSAs as part of their repeal of Obamacare. Why are they all into HSAs? Because republicans think we need MORE skin in the healthcare game! Yes, they actually believe that once we hit our insurance deductibles we don't give a gently caress about costs anymore and splurge on the most expensive unnecessary procedures just for the hell of it. Of course, we'd be more judicial about our healthcare spending if we had to pay a chunk of every procedure out of our own pocket. I'm not kidding, Romney pretty much said this in 2011 in a tea party debate. If you're wondering where he got the idea that we thumb through a big thick Medical Procedure catalog once we hit our deductibles every year, go look up what an Executive Physical is.
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The best part is the song he is going to is Ben Harper's "BERN One Down". The House of Cards quote about the difference between money and power is my favorite quote from the series. If Scrubs is anything to go off of (several veteran doctors were advisers to the show), many in the medical community think that surgeons are so focused on one subject that they are highly uneducated whenever it comes other subjects.
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The end game here is Warhammer 40K. And not even the cool parts with robots and space hooligans, just the impossibly lovely existence of a hive world.
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Hollismason posted:If we kill everyone at birth we won't have any medical expenses. Please elect me president. But what if we could stop people from even being born? Then it's not murder! Like after a few weeks of pregnancy you realize you didn't plan parenthood out all that well and want a way out. When you're on a mission in the military and something goes wrong you can just abort the whole operation, I don't see why we can't do that to stop future medical expenses. This is a fantastic conservative idea! I'll give Carson a call.
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No you see if you are not born yet you are not allowed to die. You have to be born then you can die. So I would propose for each month of the Pregnancy you would have a tax free account that you could deposit money into or your parents could that would pay for your death upon your birth.
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So, with the runoff in Louisiana between Vitter and Edwards, does Edwards have enough of a lead to have a chance at winning, or is Vitter just going to absorb the votes from the other 2 Republicans and usher in 1000 more years of fiscal (ir)responsibility? I sure would like to not live in Kansas 2.0.
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Dr. Red Ranger posted:So, with the runoff in Louisiana between Vitter and Edwards, does Edwards have enough of a lead to have a chance at winning, or is Vitter just going to absorb the votes from the other 2 Republicans and usher in 1000 more years of fiscal (ir)responsibility? I sure would like to not live in Kansas 2.0. There's a small chance (in hell) that Vitter's scandals will keep people at home.
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Hollismason posted:No you see if you are not born yet you are not allowed to die. You have to be born then you can die. So I would propose for each month of the Pregnancy you would have a tax free account that you could deposit money into or your parents could that would pay for your death upon your birth. Good point, that gives the baby a chance to pull themselves up by their bootstraps and show if they are a Job Creator or not. If it looks like they may be a welfare queen we can just get rid of them. That's a great permanent solution.
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Hollismason posted:There's a small chance (in hell) that Vitter's scandals will keep people at home. The democratic candidate is pro-gun and anti-abortion right? And the republican one is caught in a scandal of forcing a mistress to get an abortion, and something about diapers? It'll be interesting to see if they vote against their own interests just because of the R Basically if you live in LA just start despairing now
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Hollismason posted:No you see if you are not born yet you are not allowed to die. You have to be born then you can die. So I would propose for each month of the Pregnancy you would have a tax free account that you could deposit money into or your parents could that would pay for your death upon your birth.  This but with labels 'Health Care' and 'Hospital'.
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Epic High Five posted:The democratic candidate is pro-gun and anti-abortion right? And the republican one is caught in a scandal of forcing a mistress to get an abortion, and something about diapers? There's a small chance of getting another McAuliffe but the demographics are way more in favor of the Republicans, so probably not.
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Epic High Five posted:The democratic candidate is pro-gun and anti-abortion right? And the republican one is caught in a scandal of forcing a mistress to get an abortion, and something about diapers? I hadn't heard the diapers thing. What's the scandal on that.
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Mr Interweb posted:What is the benefit of health savings accounts over something like medicare anyway? If your HSA has a balance of greater than $3000, you can invest in securities with it. It's another tax deferred break for rich people.
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Oct 26, 2015 00:56
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Rhesus Pieces posted:Remember, HSAs were part of the Romney/Ryan healthcare platform. They aren't some crazy thing Carson dreamt up by himself. Whichever republican ends up with the nomination will likely be pushing HSAs as part of their repeal of Obamacare. I for one loving love medical procedures, especially things like surgery and giving stool samples.
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Shageletic posted:
The man does not blink. Ever. He closes his eyes and then opens them, so slowly.
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Hollismason posted:I hadn't heard the diapers thing. What's the scandal on that. His kink he hired the prostitutes for apparently involved diaper play http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/david-vitter-diaper-ad
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Epic High Five posted:The democratic candidate is pro-gun and anti-abortion right? And the republican one is caught in a scandal of forcing a mistress to get an abortion, and something about diapers? You know that there will be Bel Edwards = Obama commercials. If his team is smart, they'll do Vitter = Jindal commercials. Just say something like: Are you happy with the last eight years of Jindal? Because that's what you're going to get with Vitter. I realize you could do the reverse, but Jindal is not a popular figure now, and he affected way more people from Louisiana directly than Obama ever did. If they do manage to get character as an issue, Bel Edwards is a pro-gun West Point graduate who chose not to abort his daughter with spina bifida. It's not like he's a boogeyman besides "OBAMA LIBERAL".
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Tony Blair: "Yes, the Iraq War caused the rise of ISIS, but I don't care because it was worth it to take out Saddam" http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/26/w...WT.nav=top-news
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Epic High Five posted:His kink he hired the prostitutes for apparently involved diaper play With Anthony Weiner being a notable exception the sex scandals republicans get into are so much more fun to watch unfold then Democrats.
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I thought maybe being a neurosurgeon, healthcare would be the one thing Carson isn't completely out of his mind on. I guess you can be technically skilled on that field without understanding the economics and social factors that play into it though.
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Internet Kraken posted:I thought maybe being a neurosurgeon, healthcare would be the one thing Carson isn't completely out of his mind on. I guess you can be technically skilled on that field without understanding the economics and social factors that play into it though. Yeah it's kinda like how I thought someone going to medical school would have to believe in evolution. Nope. 
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Internet Kraken posted:I thought maybe being a neurosurgeon, healthcare would be the one thing Carson isn't completely out of his mind on. I guess you can be technically skilled on that field without understanding the economics and social factors that play into it though. As recently as 2012 he went on the record calling for universal catastrophic coverage to be provided by the government: quote:There was a time when premature babies or babies with significant birth defects simply died, which cost the insurance company very little. Now, however, thanks to developments in medical technology, we're able to put such babies in incubators and treat them, usually saving their lives--but then we hand the insurance company a bill for $1 million. This kind of scenario, repeated on a regular basis, drove insurance companies to drastically increase their premiums. Source: America the Beautiful, by Ben Carson, p.149-150 , Jan 24, 2012 And regulating insurance companies like utilities: quote:Today, insurance companies call the shots on what they want to pay, to whom, and when. Consequently, even busy doctors operate with a very slim profit of margin. Source: America the Beautiful, by Ben Carson, p.147-148 , Jan 24, 2012
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Internet Kraken posted:I thought maybe being a neurosurgeon, healthcare would be the one thing Carson isn't completely out of his mind on. I guess you can be technically skilled on that field without understanding the economics and social factors that play into it though. A brilliant scientist may not understand who is paying his salary and lab costs; an engineer may not know much about how his pension is being invested, and a university administrator may not realize why his salary keeps rising. Although the last example is probably not realistic.
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Luigi Thirty posted:I give you an article. How can we solve Southern Europe's economic crisis? Destroy Greece and Italy and return them to city-states which worked so well. You see that way the backwards parts get to be backwards and the good parts get to be good parts. How do we know this? One province of Italy has essentially been a self-governing city-state under the same guy for the better part of 25 years and look how successful it is! Hahaha this article is really loving crazy. And if you google the author name, the first result is.......... her bio on the von Mises Institute website!
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Fojar38 posted:I for one loving love medical procedures, especially things like surgery and giving stool samples. Yeah most normal people avoid going to the doctor unless they absolutely have to because it's generally an unpleasant experience. People with money to burn weren't happy with this and demanded luxury concierge care that, among other things, replaces the 15 minute checkup we peasants get with a four hour waste of medical resources that is little more than a status symbol and probably does more harm than good.
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Internet Kraken posted:I thought maybe being a neurosurgeon, healthcare would be the one thing Carson isn't completely out of his mind on. I guess you can be technically skilled on that field without understanding the economics and social factors that play into it though. Mr Interweb posted:Yeah it's kinda like how I thought someone going to medical school would have to believe in evolution. Nope.
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Internet Kraken posted:I thought maybe being a neurosurgeon, healthcare would be the one thing Carson isn't completely out of his mind on. I guess you can be technically skilled on that field without understanding the economics and social factors that play into it though. Most doctors I've ever known (and, sadly, a great many nurses) are the biggest FYGM shitlords you'd ever want to meet.
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Swan Oat posted:Hahaha this article is really loving crazy. And if you google the author name, the first result is.......... her bio on the von Mises Institute website! Any article with "The Case For..." in the title is more than likely advocating something horrific. Especially if the words "economic dynamism" are in the subhead.
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Peven Stan posted:As recently as 2012 he went on the record calling for universal catastrophic coverage to be provided by the government: This is amazing. You can tell he keeps coming up with UHC but his mind immediately seizes each time and he has to find a way to back himself out of it immediately.
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Hollismason posted:It's a drug called Humira and Entocort/Budesonide. Both are used for the treatment of Crohn's Disease. The Humira is once a week injections and the Entocort is 1 tablet a day. I think Entocort costs like 11 dollars a tablet. For a while I was at 3 tablets a day. So my prescription was around I think 1800 dollars a month. Holy poo poo dude, you take Humira every week? My gastroenterologist told me my case was one of the worst he'd ever seen but it was still handled fine with the standard every-other-week dose. drat, I'm sorry to hear that  Thankfully I've been in remission for almost three years and off of meds for it for about two...here's hoping some of those stem cell therapies make progress before it starts acting up again. To tie this back to the thread somewhat - I was diagnosed with Crohn's Disease the day before I turned 18, which just so happened to be in February of '08 when Obama's healthcare proposals were making a lot of noise. I figured it miiiiiight be a good idea to start paying attention to that poo poo. I was raised super conservative and still voted for McCain (ugh) even though I knew he wasn't going to win, but by the time the ACA passed I realized how utterly hosed I'd be without it and that set off my transition to being liberal in just about every other area too. Oh, and I joined SA around then. That might have had something to do with it. 
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He was released earlier this year, by the way.  http://www.democracynow.org/2015/2/9/exclusive_freed_cia_whistleblower_john_kiriakou
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man there are a lot of stomach bros around here. I've been on Remicade every 8-9 weeks since 2007. As long as I avoid booze, caffeine, and spicy foods, it works amazingly well. I did the math, my infusions cost ~$60K/year - thanks to insurance I end up paying about $4K for it.
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What would happen to those of you on expensive meds before they existed? Or if you lived somewhere they didn't exist?
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Radish posted:Yes. He's fantastically stupid other than the brain surgery thing. Is there some tidy, preferably german word or phrase to describe the kind of person who is brilliant in one narrow aspect but a dumbass in most others because they assume being brilliant in one thing makes them brilliant at everything?
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Republicans posted:Is there some tidy, preferably german word or phrase to describe the kind of person who is brilliant in one narrow aspect but a dumbass in most others because they assume being brilliant in one thing makes them brilliant at everything? Pretty much Dunning–Kruger, just that the reason why less skilled individuals think they are talented is because they're talented elsewhere. Also I didn't realize Dunning-Kruger as a phrase is only ~15 years old.
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Republicans posted:Is there some tidy, preferably german word or phrase to describe the kind of person who is brilliant in one narrow aspect but a dumbass in most others because they assume being brilliant in one thing makes them brilliant at everything? 'surgeon'
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The Maroon Hawk posted:Holy poo poo dude, you take Humira every week? My gastroenterologist told me my case was one of the worst he'd ever seen but it was still handled fine with the standard every-other-week dose. drat, I'm sorry to hear that Yeah ACA is the only reason I'm going to be able to go into the work field. I think I'm cutting back to every other week. I had to take it to boost the levels because I got really sick couldn't take it for two weeks. I should just start a Crohn's Disease thread in E/N but  there's a bunch of goons with Crohn's Disease for whatever reason.
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KingFisher posted:What would happen to those of you on expensive meds before they existed? Or if you lived somewhere they didn't exist? God would be providing all their Humira needs in heaven. Assuming said people happened to be Christians, of course.
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