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Donnerberg posted:At least most maps have obvious places they'll come from, like sewer pipes, dig holes and the aforementioned windows and rooftops. Similar to something like Alien Isolation, you start to either avoid those places or keep an eye on them. Granted, it's a bastard during horde events. That's more what I mean, it feels like you aren't really in control no matter how well you play because they will just pop out of nowhere sometimes. But I do understand they are trying to avoid cornering as much. The barrel throwing in horn is great because the rat spawns make sense. It's just the ones that throw one-off ones on every roof that are irritating CuddleCryptid fucked around with this message at 15:39 on Oct 26, 2015 |
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DreamShipWrecked posted:It's not that, I just wish that the spawns were more consistent rather than "oh you have a horde in front of you, better waste your time checking your rear constantly because random low level rats are everywhere" Man if only there were three other people playing with you that you could delegate maybe one to watching everyone's asses while the others deal with the swarm.
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As someone that is usually watching the party's rear end I've also seen the randomly appearing from thin air rats as well. The idea of the game is it's a ratpocalypse and you are barely hanging onto the last strands of a dying world. It is supposed to be overwhelming. You are supposed to be constantly watching your back. It is supposed to be unpredictable.
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The Dwarf is the best character and the Elf is every baddie mindset of "I'm better than you" *dies* summed up in a character that not even the other characters care about when she dies. Both are fantastically characterised.
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That is REALLY no excuse for thin air rats. Creed doesn't exist until 40k's era, and even then he is human.
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Oct 26, 2015 15:40
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Coolguye posted:There are also a disturbing number of 'poof' spawns, especially with relation to ambushes. It's pretty bad when I can literally see the rats spawning into existence, and as a rear guard I see that A LOT. Another thing on the pile that really needs to be tweaked. I definitely saw a Rat Ogre spawn and then 'settle' onto the ground as physics applied to it.
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Oct 26, 2015 15:42
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I've seen gutter runners spawn directly in front of me which then lead to me being on my rear end within the next split second
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Oct 26, 2015 15:43
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Like outside of the whole "omg guys give me some breathing room in this horde game" tangent my understanding was the fantasy warhammer world actually existed in the 40k era but was cut off from the rest of the galaxy due to some sort of natural phenomena that isolated it from the spacefarers.
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Oct 26, 2015 15:46
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Metrohunter posted:The Dwarf is the best character and the Elf is every baddie mindset of "I'm better than you" *dies* summed up in a character that not even the other characters care about when she dies. Both are fantastically characterised. Though sometimes I get the impression that the Witch Hunter kinda has a thing for the Elf. He gets really vocal when he starts praising her when she's doing well. Now that's some industrial-grade heresy 
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Oct 26, 2015 15:50
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Apparently this is a thing. Video Gotta get my farm on before they fix it.
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Oct 26, 2015 15:52
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People who list the dwarfs height as a negative are insane. It lines you up for head shots a lot easier than the others. Weapon choices are great. He's got the best lines, and he laughs like a maniac when you're in the middle of fighting hordes.
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Oct 26, 2015 15:53
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sushibandit posted:Apparently this is a thing. Is doing more damage to yourself with heat venting than any rat ogre could ever do necessary for the exploit?
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Oct 26, 2015 16:00
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rezatahs posted:As someone that is usually watching the party's rear end I've also seen the randomly appearing from thin air rats as well. The thing is, left 4 dead exists and did this without just spawning specials or zombies feet from you. This game even has similar monster closets with holes in the walls and ground and such, but then does not use them. this game is fun in general but it really is just a left 4 dead mod
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Oct 26, 2015 16:00
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Oct 26, 2015 16:01
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CountingWizard posted:Are rogres considered armored? No they just have a ton of health. AFAIK only Storm vermin are armored, clan rats have cosmetic armor but I am not sure if it counts
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Oct 26, 2015 16:02
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I picked up this game yesterday, and while fun, it does glitch out waaay to much for me right now. Especially the sound - I have to rely on visual queues in relation to patrols, which is often too late. Will return in a week or so 
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Oct 26, 2015 16:07
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DreamShipWrecked posted:Is doing more damage to yourself with heat venting than any rat ogre could ever do necessary for the exploit? Doubt it. I'm sure venting trinkets/equipment or venting more often at lower buildup would help.
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Oct 26, 2015 16:08
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DreamShipWrecked posted:No they just have a ton of health. AFAIK only Storm vermin are armored, clan rats have cosmetic armor but I am not sure if it counts A clan rat can take a bit more punishment than a slave rat but only a little more. The warhammer still goes thump to the same effect.
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Hypha posted:A clan rat can take a bit more punishment than a slave rat but only a little more. The warhammer still goes thump to the same effect. I think he means in the sense of "do I need to use armor piercing attacks on clan rats for the full effect", which is probably a no
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sushibandit posted:Apparently this is a thing. Whats the summary for a dude at work?
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Drythe posted:Whats the summary for a dude at work? Standing on a table on one of the tables in a tower near the boat with cause the rat pathfinding to bug out and cause them to try and path through midair, causing them to just freeze at their spawn
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DreamShipWrecked posted:No they just have a ton of health. AFAIK only Storm vermin are armored, clan rats have cosmetic armor but I am not sure if it counts Ratling Gunners are armored.
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DreamShipWrecked posted:Standing on a table on one of the tables in a tower near the boat with cause the rat pathfinding to bug out and cause them to try and path through midair, causing them to just freeze at their spawn lmao
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Coolguye posted:That is REALLY no excuse for thin air rats. Creed doesn't exist until 40k's era, and even then he is human. Good luck fixing that. L4D2 still has that happen. I remember once ducking in a closet when I heard a sound cue and the entire horde spawned next to me, at once.
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Loving the poo poo out of this game so far. Playing the soldier is magical, just bashing the poo poo out of entire hordes and taking out 3-4 rats per swing. If you have a shield dwarf tanking for you, you no longer even have to bother with good positioning as you do so. Gunner rat in the distance? Harqebus headshot, moving on. Stormvermin in your face? Back-dodge his swing and then shoot him at point blank, and hear Kruber make an amusing quip about it. I never could get into Left 4 Dead that much, but it's odd. Despite being almost exactly the same thing I like this game much better; the balance feels more satisfying and varied, and the setting and characters are a lot more fun. My only problem is that I have no idea what I'm gonna do with myself when I eventually force myself / get forced to not play soldier.
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rezatahs posted:Like outside of the whole "omg guys give me some breathing room in this horde game" tangent my understanding was the fantasy warhammer world actually existed in the 40k era but was cut off from the rest of the galaxy due to some sort of natural phenomena that isolated it from the spacefarers. This hasn't been canon since the 80s.
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Tiler Kiwi posted:Good luck fixing that. L4D2 still has that happen. I remember once ducking in a closet when I heard a sound cue and the entire horde spawned next to me, at once. well yeah, you can't stop the horde spawning from monster closets by standing in them. the difference is in left 4 rats specials and rats straight up spawn out of thin air, even in between hordes. WoodrowSkillson fucked around with this message at 16:27 on Oct 26, 2015 |
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Backhand posted:Loving the poo poo out of this game so far. Playing the soldier is magical, just bashing the poo poo out of entire hordes and taking out 3-4 rats per swing. If you have a shield dwarf tanking for you, you no longer even have to bother with good positioning as you do so. Gunner rat in the distance? Harqebus headshot, moving on. Stormvermin in your face? Back-dodge his swing and then shoot him at point blank, and hear Kruber make an amusing quip about it. you don't even need to headshot the gunners, a bodyshot kills them and it owns not sure why gutter runners can survive a shot though, those things are too sturdy for how annoying they are
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Tiler Kiwi posted:Good luck fixing that. L4D2 still has that happen. I remember once ducking in a closet when I heard a sound cue and the entire horde spawned next to me, at once. If it happened in monster closets I would probably stfu. The issue is that it happens in the middle of the drat hallway.
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Lemon Curdistan posted:This hasn't been canon since the 80s. Yeah I just had a friend link me something confirming that as well. I must've heard it or read it somewhere and decided that was cooler than whatever is canon now. 
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Metrohunter posted:you don't even need to headshot the gunners, a bodyshot kills them and it owns I think it's because their whole thing is he disappearing act. If they died from a body shot they'd never get to use their smoke grenade when you knock them off a team mate.
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rezatahs posted:Yeah I just had a friend link me something confirming that as well. I must've heard it or read it somewhere and decided that was cooler than whatever is canon now. i know absolutely nothing about warhammer and am only playing this because a bunch of my friends bought it and left 4 dead is fun. im happy keeping it this way, i have not even watched the opening cinematic and have no idea why im fighting so many rats
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Demiurge4 posted:I think it's because their whole thing is he disappearing act. If they died from a body shot they'd never get to use their smoke grenade when you knock them off a team mate. good
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WoodrowSkillson posted:well yeah, you can't stop the horde spawning from monster closets by standing in them. the difference is in left 4 rats specials and rats straight up spawn out of thin air, even in between hordes. L4D didn't have pre determined monster closet spawns the players could enter. It could, however, get very confused about line of sight and appropriate distance.
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Right, so rules of thumb for crafting are: 1) Salvage stuff from classes you aren't interested in. 2) Salvage stuff from your preferred classes that you don't like using. 3) Fuse same-class stuff from whatever's left over. Of course, I could stand to get stuff faster by fusing unwanted weapons, but I imagine it would suck if you blew a bunch of blues and ended up getting an orange Blunderbuss or whatever. Still, I wonder when the loot flow slows down enough that these rules just get too tedious to deal with...
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Tiler Kiwi posted:Good luck fixing that. L4D2 still has that happen. I remember once ducking in a closet when I heard a sound cue and the entire horde spawned next to me, at once. As silly as it is, I always did get a kick out of fifty zombies spawning out of a 2'x2' broom closet
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DreamShipWrecked posted:As silly as it is, I always did get a kick out of fifty zombies spawning out of a 2'x2' broom closet They're just having a good time, don't judge. Vermintide is a lot worse about spawns popping into existence, which I think is mainly due to this game having a smaller "safe" area that prevents spawning around players, and the spawns seem less inclined to move during a horde: if you turn a corner and stand next to where rats are appearing, it just keeps throwing them in. L4D generally would relocate the spawns, but it also tended to poo poo their hordes into existence over a two or so seconds, while vermintide tries to trickle then in.
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Got impatient and tossed a single dual daggers into the fuse with a bunch of Witch Hunter stuff I actually wanted upgrades of. Dual daggers comes out of course. gently caress you, elf.
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Really interested in getting this for the Xbox, but I don't have a microphone and hopefully will never have to speak to anyone ever because I have a voice like a shitted in pair of keks. Is communication essential for this or should I not bother? edit: For reference I got to level 100 in Payday 2 on the 360 without speaking to anybody ever.
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