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I'm just going to take a minute and be optimistic about turnout this election. Basically in Canada we just had an election won by high turnout from center-left types who came to the conclusion that contrary to cynical rhetoric, there is a huge difference between a centrist left-wing party and a right-wing party. Right now, it seems like a lot of people in the states are likely to be feeling that way this election. There are likely a lot of people interested in Bernie, for example, who might turn out for Hillary because even if they perceive her as too centrist or Liberal Satan (depending on who you ask), she is still genuinely far closer to representing them than anyone currently on the right. Also the right seems to think that Hillary being "Bill's chance at a third term" is an attack line and not an excuse for people who love Bill to turn out and vote Democratic. It is a beautiful dream. Please bring me crashing down to Earth tia.
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Hodgepodge posted:I'm just going to take a minute and be optimistic about turnout this election. hilary clinton will probably be the next president and it'll be more or less the same as the last 8 years were
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Oct 28, 2015 01:06
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Boon posted:It takes both branches of Congress to pass a bill and the executive + the senate or the executive + house doesn't mean anymore than just the President. You need all three to really make things work, and even then you may just need a super majority in the Senate. How can anyone look at that and think, "Yep, best system ever."
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Oct 28, 2015 01:07
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duz posted:Those were copyright bills, this is different. This is the one that requires companies to share personal information with the government so they can find They're not always allowed to share personal information, and the bills don't require them to share any information at all. (There are weak scrubbing requirements for PII - inadequate ones, but the idea is not to share personal information if avoidable). CISA isn't a particularly good bill, but you're mischaracterizing it completely.
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Oct 28, 2015 01:07
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theblackw0lf posted:Most people think that the federal budget is like it is in the movie Dave, where the vast majority is just wasteful spending, and you just need some common sense guy to come in and fix it. Yeah, and as a govcon it will directly screw me ugh
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Oct 28, 2015 01:07
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Hodgepodge posted:It is a beautiful dream. Please bring me crashing down to Earth tia. I've already talked to a number of Bernie supporters who are refusing to vote for Hillary Clinton if/when she is nominated. It's quite early in the general election race, but the polls are pretty bad for Democrats right now.
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Oct 28, 2015 01:11
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Kaal posted:I've already talked to a number of Bernie supporters who are refusing to vote for Hillary Clinton if/when she is nominated. It's quite early in the general election race, but the polls are pretty bad for Democrats right now. If Bernie endorses Hillary assuming she wins, I imagine a huge percentage of those will come back around. Plus when the general comes around and the focus becomes on the difference between what a Democratic vs Republican presidency would look like, I think the stark contrast, and the fear the latter is going to stir, will cause a lot of them to come around.
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Oct 28, 2015 01:14
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Kaal posted:I've already talked to a number of Bernie supporters who are refusing to vote for Hillary Clinton if/when she is nominated. It's quite early in the general election race, but the polls are pretty bad for Democrats right now. People will find their excuses in a split second if they want. One of my family members lives a mile's walk from a polling place in a critical election purple state where you can register at the polls and still didn't go vote even after I called them repeatedly on election day asking if they were going to go vote.
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Oct 28, 2015 01:16
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theblackw0lf posted:Most people think that the federal budget is like it is in the movie Dave, where the vast majority is just wasteful spending, and you just need some common sense guy to come in and fix it. Like when people think NASA has a huge chunk of the budget. awesmoe posted:hilary clinton will probably be the next president and it'll be more or less the same as the last 8 years were That's the best case scenario.
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Oct 28, 2015 01:16
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awesmoe posted:hilary clinton will probably be the next president and it'll be more or less the same as the last 8 years were The last 8 years saw major improvements in gay rights (repeal of DADT and legalization of gay marriage), an improved but imperfect healthcare system, and significantly improved economy headlined by one of the largest pieces of infrastructure spending in a long time. Obama has had many faults, but he managed to get a lot done (though notice 2/3 things were done during the 2 years he had the house and senate)
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Oct 28, 2015 01:19
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Kaal posted:I've already talked to a number of Bernie supporters who are refusing to vote for Hillary Clinton if/when she is nominated. It's quite early in the general election race, but the polls are pretty bad for Democrats right now. I wonder how many of these people unironically think they'd rather let it all burn down.
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Oct 28, 2015 01:20
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Kaal posted:I've already talked to a number of Bernie supporters who are refusing to vote for Hillary Clinton if/when she is nominated. It's quite early in the general election race, but the polls are pretty bad for Democrats right now. Hillary supporters said the same thing last go round, they were the so-called PUMA voters. At the end of the day party loyalty counts for a lot, which is why we're not dealing with the tail end of a McCain administration.
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Oct 28, 2015 01:22
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Honestly I'm okay with people passionately believing in their candidate and not their competition at this point. I mean a primary is still a contest and that doesn't have to mean everyone politely agreeing and being best buds with their rivals or whatever. But by this time next year those people are likely to be looking at three choices: "supporting Sanders by not voting," voting for someone who supports an agenda that to some degree reflects or resembles Sanders', or, vote for whoever the screaming pack of howler monkies nominate to run or maybe just to be torn apart on the Capitol steps.
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Oct 28, 2015 01:25
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Kaal posted:I've already talked to a number of Bernie supporters who are refusing to vote for Hillary Clinton if/when she is nominated. It's quite early in the general election race, but the polls are pretty bad for Democrats right now. Produce these polls.
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Oct 28, 2015 01:29
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The Glumslinger posted:The last 8 years saw major improvements in gay rights (repeal of DADT and legalization of gay marriage), an improved but imperfect healthcare system, and significantly improved economy headlined by one of the largest pieces of infrastructure spending in a long time. Obama has had many faults, but he managed to get a lot done (though notice 2/3 things were done during the 2 years he had the house and senate) Yeah, that's pretty much what I expect the next 8 years to be. Maybe some big ticket things slammed through if eventually congress flips, decent wins where they can happen through executive action, some decent nominations, etc. On the other hand, hilary will live up to her reputation as big-finance friendly (similarly to how obama lost his big-finance-unfriendly reputation) and also basically nothing good will come out of congress for years and years.
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Oct 28, 2015 01:33
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Hodgepodge posted:It is a beautiful dream. Please bring me crashing down to Earth tia. Elections that are not-the-president have obscenely, mind-boggingly, incomprehensibly rich people astro-turfing everything in sight with just loving bonkers amounts of cash so they can purchase the American government and have what they want done regardless of whatever bread-and-circuses poo poo show takes place with the presidential election that is, at best, a delaying tactic to dehumanizing self and facing to bloodshed. You're welcome.
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Oct 28, 2015 01:35
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Kalman posted:They're not always allowed to share personal information, and the bills don't require them to share any information at all. (There are weak scrubbing requirements for PII - inadequate ones, but the idea is not to share personal information if avoidable). Probably, the blogs seem to change what they're complaining about it for weekly.
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Oct 28, 2015 01:35
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Badera posted:How can anyone look at that and think, "Yep, best system ever." Because that system also stops movements like the tea party.
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Oct 28, 2015 01:38
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Wondering how they were going to spin that cop body slamming that girl in school? The story now is that she hit him after he initially grabbed her. So she totally deserved it 
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Oct 28, 2015 01:38
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Countdown until he thought she had a gun and had a record of being disruptive in class and was really no angel...
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Oct 28, 2015 01:41
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Hodgepodge posted:Countdown until he thought she had a gun and had a record of being disruptive in class and was really no angel... Clearly she was no angel otherwise he wouldn't have been called to the class.
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Oct 28, 2015 01:43
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Just saw a couple of other angles, and to be fair, it did look like she hit him. Granted he had an arm around her neck, but he was just acting preemptively so she couldn't hulk out on him and keep coming through a hail of bullets.
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Edit: doh, was going to post that on her birthday decided not to, didn't see it in the buffer. Yay phones.KingFisher posted:Do you think insurance could be the kind of thing software could manage? Like rates and such given rules kind always pay out claims and with known inputs? Late but I wrote software that did that for three years. E-claims have been a thing for awhile. Doctors can even run trial claims for different prescriptions to see what your copays would be for equivalent drugs. McAlister fucked around with this message at 07:31 on Oct 28, 2015 |
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Oct 28, 2015 01:48
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Kaal posted:I've already talked to a number of Bernie supporters who are refusing to vote for Hillary Clinton if/when she is nominated. It's quite early in the general election race, but the polls are pretty bad for Democrats right now. I have a secret for you: most of those people were never ever going to vote in the first place. poo poo, most of them won't even bother to vote for Bernie in their state.
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I'm not going to bother reading the 950 posts that I assume are all gunchat and warcrimechat, but I do want to pop in and make you all aware that Graham has gone"gently caress it" mode, is now doing shots with reporters and answering honestly the kinds of questions politicians don't answer. For example, he is playing FMK Hillary, Palin, Fiorina. He picked gently caress Palin ("we'd go hunting") marry Carly ("she's rich, isn't she? Hillary says she's dead broke"), kill Hillary. He is now bitching about the undercard debate and toasting Donald Trump while doing shots 
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Oct 28, 2015 02:16
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Oh and Rand Paul has said he will filibuster the debt ceiling bill. So that will be fun at the debate tomorrow
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Oct 28, 2015 02:18
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Fried Chicken posted:I'm not going to bother reading the 950 posts that I assume are all gunchat and warcrimechat, but I do want to pop in and make you all aware that Graham has gone"gently caress it" mode, is now doing shots with reporters and answering honestly the kinds of questions politicians don't answer. Hmmmm Lindsay Graham...owns?
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Oct 28, 2015 02:19
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Yeah where is Lindsey After Dark happening because I see people tweeting about it but have no idea. Also the girl who filmed the classroom assault was on Chris Hayes earlier and said even before this, the students all referred to the cop as "Officer Slam." Rumors of body slamming pregnant women, etc. edit: I guess it's happening wherever that pic was taken, heh
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Oct 28, 2015 02:20
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Oct 28, 2015 02:21
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Fried Chicken posted:I'm not going to bother reading the 950 posts that I assume are all gunchat and warcrimechat, but I do want to pop in and make you all aware that Graham has gone"gently caress it" mode, is now doing shots with reporters and answering honestly the kinds of questions politicians don't answer. ahahahahahahahahahaah when is he going to come out?
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Oct 28, 2015 02:22
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Mr Interweb posted:Haha, this is the angriest I've ever seen Rand Paul get. This is in response to a Buzzfeed reporter who apparently has a history of criticizing Rand Paul for using fake founding father quotes: "We discount partisans" This is true. Ben Smith is a partisan. He even interned for the national party. Unfortunately for Rand, it was the RNC he interned for
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Oct 28, 2015 02:22
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zoux posted:Hmmmm Lindsay Graham...owns? Lindsay Graham owns.
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Fried Chicken posted:I'm not going to bother reading the 950 posts that I assume are all gunchat and warcrimechat, but I do want to pop in and make you all aware that Graham has gone"gently caress it" mode, is now doing shots with reporters and answering honestly the kinds of questions politicians don't answer. Where is this? But Rocks Hurt Head posted:Lindsay Graham owns. He really doesn't
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Von Sloneker posted:Yeah where is Lindsey After Dark happening because I see people tweeting about it but have no idea. Ahahahahahahahha. How prophetic. Can't wait for his supervisor to explain why they arrested the girl for filming it.
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Oct 28, 2015 02:24
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Gravel Gravy posted:Where is this? Drunk catty Lindsay Graham is like Newt around animals. Like looking into a parallel universe where things are just 'right.'
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Oct 28, 2015 02:25
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F Palin, M Clinton, K Fiorina Clinton is perfectly OKAY with a little on the side.
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Oct 28, 2015 02:26
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TBH the next Republican debate really ought to just be a drinking contest
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Oct 28, 2015 02:29
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Bob Ojeda posted:TBH the next Republican debate really ought to just be a drinking contest Proving their counterterrorism bona fides by competing to singlehandedly rescue ISIS hostages.
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Bob Ojeda posted:TBH the next Republican debate really ought to just be a drinking contest Yea give Lindsey a shot at winning one
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Bob Ojeda posted:TBH the next Republican debate really ought to just be a drinking contest Years ago I thought that everyone participating in the debate should be required to drink at least enough to blow a .08, for hilarity and accidental honesty. Not sure what would be done about AA candidates or potential muslim/mormon candidates in this scenario though
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