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That was a bad episode of Flash with a really fun last 60 seconds. King Shark looked so good they had to kill him after 15 seconds of screen time because there's no way they could afford longer than that.
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This episode felt like it was trying to do too much before Stein left the picture. We had the Firestorm A-plot, West Family drama, Wells sideplot, Cisco trying to find his powers, and Barry's crush on Patty. Very cluttered as a result.
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Oct 28, 2015 03:57
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The production team absolutely, 100% had to have a conversation about casting a black man as the villain of the week, because otherwise, the script has Caitlyn read as cartoonishly racist, and that's probably the only good part of this bland-rear end episode (See Firestorm this January in CW's DC's Legends of Tomorrow!) besides CGI Sharkman Even still, she might as well be shouting "No, you see, he's one of the good ones!"
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Oct 28, 2015 03:59
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I didn't dislike this episode, even before the  moment. I think I actually liked it more than most of last week's, where the only saving grace was Snart. But the show has kind of been coasting at a constant humdrum boilerplate quality this season. I can't recall the last actual impressive thing Barry has done. Hopefully this changes in upcoming weeks.
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Oct 28, 2015 04:01
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tin can made man posted:The production team absolutely, 100% had to have a conversation about casting a black man as the villain of the week, because otherwise, the script has Caitlyn read as cartoonishly racist, and that's probably the only good part of this bland-rear end episode (See Firestorm this January in CW's DC's Legends of Tomorrow!) besides CGI Sharkman His only defining characteristic was that he got mad easily, too. Which....hmm.
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Oct 28, 2015 04:03
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Nah, it's cool, they'll just lock him in solitary until his mind shatters and he can't reveal their secrets anymore
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Oct 28, 2015 04:24
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Patty Spivot is just  Barry zipping around taunting a super villain into making a mistake was the most Justice League Wally thing in the world and was pretty fun to see. Its Rinaldo fucked around with this message at 04:51 on Oct 28, 2015 |
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Oct 28, 2015 04:31
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Man, Caitlin was being a real bitch there. If Hudson boy was white, it would have come off super racist. Also Barry really sounded like he was talking about bumpin' uglies with Caitlin in his little speech. But KING SHARK HOLY gently caress THAT WAS AWESOME.
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Oct 28, 2015 04:44
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Man, did Caitlin start to go for a kiss on Stein when he hugged her goodbye?
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Oct 28, 2015 04:56
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Where is Jay again?
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Oct 28, 2015 05:04
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Aphrodite posted:Where is Jay again? They actually lock him in the pipeline whenever they're gone, they claim it's a hotel room
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Oct 28, 2015 05:08
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I know, I know I'm saying this on a TV show with "firestorm" matrices and Man-Sharks but when Jax chucked a metal car part at the bad guy's loving HEAD (with a pro-level quarterback throwing arm no less) was anyone else briefly like, OK, so he's dead now.
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Oct 28, 2015 05:10
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What does King Shark say to Barry? I've rewatched the clip on YouTube a few times but I still can't make it out.
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Oct 28, 2015 05:13
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Someone wants you dead.
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Oct 28, 2015 05:14
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Aphrodite posted:Someone wants you dead. I thought he said "Zoom wants you dead."
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Oct 28, 2015 05:15
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It was neat that they tried to have the firestorm effects interact with something non-CGI, to make them seem more real. But having the blast just knock down the table and not actually melt it or burn it was lame.
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Oct 28, 2015 05:16
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Longbaugh01 posted:I thought he said "Zoom wants you dead." I wasn't answering his question. I'm here to kill him.
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Oct 28, 2015 05:22
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Was is this thread last season where people joked about having King Shark instead of Grodd? I think someone was listening 
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Oct 28, 2015 05:23
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Oct 28, 2015 05:24
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HOLY poo poo
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Oct 28, 2015 05:25
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"100% a hero" is the worst line
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Oct 28, 2015 05:28
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For anyone that's aware of really obscure comic book characters, there was a bit of foreshadowing in the names. Tokamak has the same name as his comic book counterpart, but I can't be arsed to see if they're both black. He's also a Firestorm villain whose original origin was trying to recreate the accident that made the first one. As for Jefferson Jackson, he was basically a minor character and one of Ronnie's friends.  Otoh, King Shark appeared and it's wonderful. Also, the Iris's mom subplot is actually going somewhere since it seemed to be utterly irrelevant beforehand (it still is if it doesn't lead into Wally West or something).
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Oct 28, 2015 05:48
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TEAH SYAG posted:This week's Flash, the.motherfucking.shark. jumps you The Flash Season 2 -- shark jumps you I was even thinking "this is really an effects-lite episode for the show" while watching it. That explains it. A pity King Shark is likely dead. tin can made man posted:The production team absolutely, 100% had to have a conversation about casting a black man as the villain of the week, because otherwise, the script has Caitlyn read as cartoonishly racist, and that's probably the only good part of this bland-rear end episode (See Firestorm this January in CW's DC's Legends of Tomorrow!) besides CGI Sharkman There was also that line Stein has about Jackson using his "natural athleticism." Again it seems more like a problem of the script than intent, but it did make me raise an eyebrow. The rest of the episode didn't and it really was because they cast a really good ham of a black actor to play the villain. When coupled with Iris' subplot, tonight became a refreshingly PoC-heavy episode of any TV show not explicitly about PoCs in which none of their plots were about being PoCs. I mean it'll still raise hackles on both sides because people of all stripes are overtly sensitive and bored, but I thought it was neat. This definitely was a very cluttered and odd episode, but overall I feel kinder on it than most people. The A-plot kind-of sucked and the Iris plot was a bit of a drag, but I couldn't complain and the actors really managed to push the clunky script through with minimal groaners which is very impressive and another testament to how much I love the cast on this show.
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Oct 28, 2015 05:56
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mind the walrus posted:There was also that line Stein has about Jackson using his "natural athleticism." It's almost as if they knew he was a football student guy.
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Oct 28, 2015 06:03
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BSam posted:It's almost as if they knew he was a football student guy. I think mind the walrus knows that the characters know that, but that's not really his point.
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Oct 28, 2015 06:06
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BSam posted:It's almost as if they knew he was a football student guy. mind the walrus posted:There was also that line Stein has about Jackson using his "natural athleticism." Again it seems more like a problem of the script than intent It's literally the next loving sentence.
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Oct 28, 2015 06:06
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"Use your natural athleticism!" is not something a real human being would say to another, whether or not the latter was a natural athlete.
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Oct 28, 2015 06:07
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For the record-- which I fully expect BSam to ignore-- I really think it was the writer trying to do some of Stein's trademark "overtly academic" dialogue and accidentally stumbling on a phrase with racial connotations, not an actual statement. It's still an unfortunate line choice because of aforementioned racial connotations.
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Oct 28, 2015 06:09
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mind the walrus posted:the actors really managed to push the clunky script through I wonder how long it will be before this starts to become a bigger problem. I mean it's been present on both shows since their first episodes but there's been enough distraction through other strengths where the target audience probably doesn't mind. But it's not getting any better on either show and it doesn't seem like it's going to change anytime soon. Now we have three shows by the same brain trust and a fourth on the way and none of them seem to be able to find writers that can write dialogue. Eventually the bag of cool stuff and good performances isn't going to be enough to keep the attention off the bad writing. I rarely groan at the dialogue on SHIELD these days (early going it was rough times) and never did on iZombie or Daredevil. So I know there are writers out there capable of writing comic book style shows where people talk like people. Of course if you just put Snart in every episode that'll fix everything. In fact just make Legends of Tomorrow his show and get rid of everyone else on it.
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Oct 28, 2015 06:14
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Well iZombie has the benefit of being largely nothing like the comic its based off of and Daredevil has the Netflix "prestige" format with a lower episode order and more well-defined boundaries. The Flash/Arrow are basically designed to grow "out" and not "up", and the dialogue quality is reflective of being sustainable rather than deep. To start investing the dialogue and arcs with greater growth would betray those ambitions from multiple perspectives.
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X-O posted:Of course if you just put Snart in every episode that'll fix everything. In fact just make Legends of Tomorrow his show and get rid of everyone else on it. Snart and Man Shark could team up.
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Oct 28, 2015 06:26
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The thing Barry is going to be pissed at Wells-2 most about next week is taking his kill. Now he's on a two week slump.
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Oct 28, 2015 06:35
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drat a disappointing episode of Flash. Really did not like any of the line for Firestorm and the final fight was terribad. However Episode still pulled it together with King Shark. To bad we'll never see him again.
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Oct 28, 2015 06:42
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I dunno, I dug the episode. It had the blunt "BARRY GET THE gently caress OVER MY DAUGHTER AND GO HIT ON SOMEONE ELSE YOU loving ANIME RETARD", it had TOKAMAK which I never thought we'd ever see, it had KING MOTHERFUCKING SHARK, and a decent writeoff to the firestorm guys. Only thing really missing was wondering where in the hell Jay wandered off to. Oh yea, it was nice seeing the guy who played Raphael on Supernatural again, even if he seems to be typecast as "Angry black dude". Stupid_Sexy_Flander fucked around with this message at 07:00 on Oct 28, 2015 |
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Oct 28, 2015 06:55
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Say's who? debut vs cameo.... just saying.
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Oct 28, 2015 06:57
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Oh, poo poo. I just realized if there's an earth 2 KING SHARK, there's probably an earth 1 KING SHARK somewhere.
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Oct 28, 2015 07:21
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Best blink-and-you'll-miss-it acting award for the week goes to Cisco's "yeah, I'd jump at the chance to have superpowers." Panicked, voice cracking, scene continues on without missing a beat for clumsy dramatic pausing.
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Oct 28, 2015 07:22
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Man shark is good, bring him back, he pleases me.
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How long until Sexy Evil Caitlin shows up?
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