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Full Battle Rattle posted:Yeah, exactly. It's amusing to see them jump through every hoop except the one labeled 'people don't get paid enough'. That can't be it! Try jumping through all the other hoops harder It's a fundamental problem of a small class of rich people only understanding the word "more." They need more money, bigger profit margins, and higher sales every year. What do you mean minimum wage workers can't even afford food and keeping the lights on?
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princecoo posted:Anyway, because of the home renovation angle, companies love to pay to get their poo poo inserted, pretty much just a bunch of paid presentations. So Mary and Bob have decided to repaint this bathroom purple, and they're using this gorgeous shade from Duralux paint and they'll be seen screwing together a fancy bed with a Bosch power tool etc. I first read this as "screwing together on a fancy bed" and thought those shows must have gotten a lot more interesting since the last time I saw them.
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Tiggum posted:I first read this as "screwing together on a fancy bed" and thought those shows must have gotten a lot more interesting since the last time I saw them. I read that the right way first time then read it the way you saw it three times over - goddamn you what have you done to my brain?
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RPATDO_LAMD posted:Huh? Laptops pretty much all have built-in wifi nowadays. Actually most desktops are coming with built in wifi now as well. A chunk still don't, but it's more the exception and not the rule now.
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princecoo posted:Anyway, because of the home renovation angle, companies love to pay to get their poo poo inserted, pretty much just a bunch of paid presentations. So Mary and Bob have decided to repaint this bathroom purple, and they're using this gorgeous shade from Duralux paint and they'll be seen screwing together a fancy bed with a Bosch power tool etc. I knew a guy here who owns a company that deals with high quality wood, and he was asked if he would sponsor materials for a similar program in return for "free advertisement" on the show. He only did it once, because the advertising was basically a 2 second long shot of his company logo and single mention in the credits.
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Oct 27, 2015 12:09
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Why am I seeing a commercial with Jennifer Aniston upset there is no shower on the plane. I don't think anyone watching Brooklyn 9 9. Is going to be dropping 2 grand on a plane ticket, nor can they relate to "scrub teir" airlines not having a shower. Ain't nobody got money for dat.
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Oct 27, 2015 12:23
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Slugnoid posted:Masters is also getting crushed by Bunnings for looking too much like a department store versus bunnings' bare bones 'warehouse full o tools' style. They'll probably be gone in a year. Masters basically bet everything on shoddy paint being the only product line they could beat the competition on. They're several miles up hosed Creek right now, along with most of Woolworths retail business.
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Oct 27, 2015 12:59
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Guys, I assure you there are plenty of people with plenty of money still out there. Try booking a table at a Michelin Starred restaurant some time and see what the waiting list is like.
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It's kind of funny in a sad way how they constantly release information about how amazingly well Masters is doing in newsletters to their other businesses as well. No-one buys it, everyone can see they're circling the drain. Problem is, Masters failing so bad is just making Woolworths beat every other business with the "We're all hosed, work harder and more with less!" stick.
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Jastiger posted:Why am I seeing a commercial with Jennifer Aniston upset there is no shower on the plane. I don't think anyone watching Brooklyn 9 9. Is going to be dropping 2 grand on a plane ticket, nor can they relate to "scrub teir" airlines not having a shower. I like Brooklyn Nine Nine. It's a good show. How dare you suggest I am a poor for watching it.
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Jastiger posted:Why am I seeing a commercial with Jennifer Aniston upset there is no shower on the plane. I don't think anyone watching Brooklyn 9 9. Is going to be dropping 2 grand on a plane ticket, nor can they relate to "scrub teir" airlines not having a shower. You're forgetting the best part. It was an ad for Emirates Airlines. As in the United Arab Emirates. As in somewhere that most Americans watching Brooklyn 99 are never ever going in their lives, and somewhere Jennifer Aniston probably isn't going anytime soon either. I mean I guess there's Dubai which is all rich and fancy (and pretty much justifies the airline in of itself) but the UAE is still the UAE. I mean they still have Sharia law going on, is Jennifer Aniston even allowed to fly Emirates Airlines without a male escort?  What were they thinking?
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Huh? Emirates is a major, well regarded airline. They have tons of flights and routes all over the world, not just to/from the UAE (even if a lot stop there). They certainly don't enforce Sharia law on their planes either (it isn't enforced on foreigners in the UAE anyway). Dubai is also a major stopover point for people travelling between Europe and Asia/Oceania. Sure, it might have been a weird ad shown at a weird time, but the airline itself is perfectly normal one to fly on.
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1000 Brown M and Ms posted:Huh? No it loving isn't, Mr Moneybags.
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Johnny Aztec posted:No it loving isn't, Mr Moneybags. Haha what? Maybe it's expensive in the USA, but it's about the same price or cheaper as most as the big name airlines around here. poo poo, sometimes it's even cheaper then the budget airlines.
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bunnielab posted:Guys, I assure you there are plenty of people with plenty of money still out there. Try booking a table at a Michelin Starred restaurant some time and see what the waiting list is like. "enough people to gently caress up a waiting list at a restaurant" is not "enough people to sustain the entire advertising juggernaut economy", but honestly you're probably not worth arguing with if your'e gonna just deny commonly-accepted facts
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Of course it's expensive in the USA, all of their USA flights are to international destinations
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InediblePenguin posted:"enough people to gently caress up a waiting list at a restaurant" is not "enough people to sustain the entire advertising juggernaut economy", but honestly you're probably not worth arguing with if your'e gonna just deny commonly-accepted facts No, there seriously is a lot of people out there with money. And a lot of industries survive by depriving the rich of their money. poo poo sucks down the bottom where I am, but I can also see what's going on around me. There's no money in the poor or the mundane products I agree; you got to target the rich in order to make money, and they are out there. Some of them earn money for doing stupid things and it isn't too hard to fleece them because they're not working hard for it or have a vain partner that wants to spend it all. Hard to imagine? Locally take a look at the airports, marinas, exotic car dealers, restaarants, builders/renovators, art galleries etc. Bigger picture, look at the millions been thrown away in campaign donations. Fo3 has a new favorite as of 17:13 on Oct 27, 2015 |
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Haha you have no idea how economics OR politics work, gotcha.
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InediblePenguin posted:"enough people to gently caress up a waiting list at a restaurant" is not "enough people to sustain the entire advertising juggernaut economy", but honestly you're probably not worth arguing with if your'e gonna just deny commonly-accepted facts Whatever, but I kinda suspect that there being fewer people with disposable income means that is is much more important to insure that that money is spent on your brand, which means advertising is more important then ever. Luxury brands were never going to make their money from a huge percentage of the population even in the halcyon days of the 90's. This thread is in one if it's "I personally am poor, so any advertising for luxury items is dumb" phases.
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bunnielab posted:This thread is in one if it's "I personally am poor, so any advertising for luxury items is dumb" phases. That wasn't the argument being made at all. The poster argued that based on when/during what the ad was being shown, it was likely going to miss its target demographic laughably. Like you don't usually see Outback Steakhouse commercials on Animal Planet, for instance.
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sweeperbravo posted:That wasn't the argument being made at all. The poster argued that based on when/during what the ad was being shown, it was likely going to miss its target demographic laughably. Like you don't usually see Outback Steakhouse commercials on Animal Planet, for instance. I wasn't referring to a specific poster, but to a general tone to a lot of the stuff that gets posted here. As for the Outback add, why on earth would people who watch basic cable cute animal shows not eat at chain restaurants?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InJxSFlof6w Are they pitching a aircraft upgrade or a hair care product?
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That Robox posted:I seem to remember a while back it came out that McDonalds had tried to pay rappers to mention the Big Mac in their music and not one would do it. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/4389751.stm Wow, they really did try that. And I sure haven't heard any pop shitheads namedropping their junk food.
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bunnielab posted:Whatever, but I kinda suspect that there being fewer people with disposable income means that is is much more important to insure that that money is spent on your brand, which means advertising is more important then ever. Luxury brands were never going to make their money from a huge percentage of the population even in the halcyon days of the 90's. 1: these PC ads look pretty desperate 2: marketing team gets paid more than the rest of us make in five years 3: but marketing is going through a crisis and so they'll lose their job soon me: marketing has been going through a crisis non-stop since the 1950s 5: yeah nobody has any money to spend on things 6: actually I believe you will find that plenty of people have money and the proof of this is that people still go to fancy restaurants me: the post you replied to you: something unrelated about luxury items Even McDonald's is having trouble. In McDonald's case, it is partly because of a lack of disposable income among the general population, among many other factors. McDonald's is not a luxury brand. You're correct about luxury brands' advertising; unfortunately you're not actually correcting me by pointing it out
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5er posted:http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/4389751.stm Lol asking hugely successful multimillionaire artists to name drop something most closely associated with poor people and wanting to pay nothing up front and have final lyric approval. I want to meet the people who thought that would work.
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McDonalds marketing assholes know full well they aren't 'luxury'. They're trying to pay people to help pretend they are. They're not fooled themselves, but they know the dumb loving public that eats their pigtrough fodder are suckers. Much like how slaughterhouses have that handful of cows trained to be the first up the kill chute so the rest of the stupid cattle follow them, they will continue to ply for a celebrity to drag their adoring fans into their heartattack factories.
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5er posted:http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/4389751.stm It did spawn this, which is pretty fun. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYmhmpvoDkY .. probably not what they were going for
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mania posted:Haha what? Maybe it's expensive in the USA, but it's about the same price or cheaper as most as the big name airlines around here. poo poo, sometimes it's even cheaper then the budget airlines. Yeah, exactly. They don't show you the smooshed-in coach passengers, they show you the over-the-top ultra luxury seats so you make a brand association in your mind and feel fancy when flying even as a smooshed-in coach passenger. Same reason why they don't feature the cheapest $35k 3 series with the cheapest trim in the BMW commercials, but put out the more expensive, fully loaded aspirational models at double the price. You can feel like a fancy, sophisticated person who wears neckties while you're driving a car that costs as much as a top of the line Camry.
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canyoneer posted:Yeah, exactly. They don't show you the smooshed-in coach passengers, they show you the over-the-top ultra luxury seats so you make a brand association in your mind and feel fancy when flying even as a smooshed-in coach passenger. I've always thought a genius business venture would be to buy up cheap four-banger Honda engines and put them into Stingray or Ferrari bodies. (or produce a like sports car style) Like yeah, it'd drive like poo poo but how many people really care? I bet you could undercut the real sports cars by half and still make a great profit, gotta be a ton of people who only want a fast looking car.
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Because it'd diminish the exclusivity of those Stingray/Ferrari bodies. Even with "tell" differences like stripes or fins or whatever on the body to differentiate true from false the crowd willing to spend all the extra money on a real-deal luxury car would diminish and with it the cachet of the fakes would disappear. Could be lucrative if you planned it as a very limited life kind-of deal and built-in exit plans, but it's probably more trouble than it's worth.
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Zaphod42 posted:I've always thought a genius business venture would be to buy up cheap four-banger Honda engines and put them into Stingray or Ferrari bodies. (or produce a like sports car style)
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Zaphod42 posted:I've always thought a genius business venture would be to buy up cheap four-banger Honda engines and put them into Stingray or Ferrari bodies. (or produce a like sports car style) Have we already forgotten the Bradley GT. Jesus wept.
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CannonFodder posted:There are plenty of body kits to turn a Fiero into a Ferrari or Lamborghini and the results are laffo. Right, but the whole point is that the target demo here is both dumb and lazy. If you pre-configured those things I bet they'd sell like hotcakes. porktree posted:Have we already forgotten the Bradley GT. Jesus wept. Haven't heard of it, but a quick googling shows this is pretty much what I was talking about. They put VW Beetles into what looks like a stingray body? Yep.
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Zaphod42 posted:I've always thought a genius business venture would be to buy up cheap four-banger Honda engines and put them into Stingray or Ferrari bodies. (or produce a like sports car style) Vroooooom 
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They already did that, but with a V6. They called it the NSX. Seriously, though, it's as much the brand as the look. And the brands aren't going to undercut themselves like that.
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5er posted:http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/4389751.stm Well, there was this: [http]http://www.mcdonalds.co.uk/ukhome/Aboutus/Newsroom/news_pages/imlovinit_jessiej.html[/http] Frazzbo has a new favorite as of 16:52 on Oct 28, 2015 |
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Zaphod42 posted:I've always thought a genius business venture would be to buy up cheap four-banger Honda engines and put them into Stingray or Ferrari bodies. (or produce a like sports car style) For sports cars, even if (especially if) the driver is never going to use the full performance, they are primarily buying the spec sheet. The 90s saw an influx of sporty coupes, and they all languished, leading to the today of sport package dad-mobile sedans with sick specs, affordable entry level sports cars with sick specs, and the rich people supercars which are bought for the spec sheet as much as how cool they look. Anyone who wants to look cool but doesn't care about performance can just buy a used Porsche for pennies and spend the rest of their lives trying to fix it when it breaks down every other day. zedprime has a new favorite as of 17:30 on Oct 28, 2015 |
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22 Eargesplitten posted:They already did that, but with a V6. They called it the NSX.
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Steve Jorbs posted:I agree that no sane manufacturer would trash their own luxury/performance brands like that. Counterpoint.  Oh wait, you did say sane.
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Zaphod42 posted:I've always thought a genius business venture would be to buy up cheap four-banger Honda engines and put them into Stingray or Ferrari bodies. (or produce a like sports car style) IIRC this was basically the entire idea behind the Scion FRS.
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