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Mooseontheloose posted:The Punisher is basically Batman without the pretense that Batman would never kill or that Batman is better than the criminals themselves. Yeah, he's going to work great as a dark mirror for Matt in season 2. While Kingpin was a great ideological foil for Daredevil, Frank is straight up "What if Daredevil thought it was fine to kill people". I fully expect them to delve even deeper into the "here's why heroes don't kill, even if it seems silly and inexpedient to our real world sensibilities". Ignite Memories posted:Are you suggesting we should want to? Because that's awesome. Not at all, but that's gonna cost some SFX bucks.
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zoux posted:Danny Rand gets his powers from killing a giant magic dragon with his bare hands and well you just can't get around that. Technically he doesn't kill Shao Lao the undying...
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Oct 28, 2015 19:20
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Whoever said "watch The Shield" is right. I just don't get what they could possibly do with Frank. Make him a reoccuring character by all means but unless you just adapt Punisher MAX wholesale, which means globetrotting, then what exactly do you film that we don't get in Daredevil?
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Oct 28, 2015 19:29
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lol if you think an Iron Fist show wouldn't just be Daredevil mk. 2
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Oct 28, 2015 20:13
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Hakkesshu posted:lol if you think an Iron Fist show wouldn't just be Daredevil mk. 2 Um, Danny Rand is rich, and Matt Murdock is poor, so obviously they are different?
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Oct 28, 2015 20:16
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Hakkesshu posted:lol if you think an Iron Fist show wouldn't just be Daredevil mk. 2 Punched a dragon in the heart for magic kung fu powers. Can not be stressed enough how amazingly weird a setting that would be to add to the MCU.
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Oct 28, 2015 20:20
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Snak posted:I mean, I'm one of the people who thinks that Punisher: War Zone is the best live-action feature-film adaption of the character, so... It totally was. Ray Stevenson was a great Frank.
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Oct 28, 2015 20:23
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Boogaleeboo posted:Punched a dragon in the heart for magic kung fu powers. Can not be stressed enough how amazingly weird a setting that would be to add to the MCU. Yeah but they're not gonna do that poo poo in a TV show. It's just gonna be a bunch of martial arts with allusions to mystical stuff happening, just like Daredevil.
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Oct 28, 2015 20:33
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Boogaleeboo posted:Punched a dragon in the heart for magic kung fu powers. Can not be stressed enough how amazingly weird a setting that would be to add to the MCU. After hugging it into unconsciousness over the burning dragon shaped scar in its chest so hard that it branded him. Anyone who doesnt want to see that in the MCU and would prefer the punishers "Angry vigilante kills the criminals the cops cant touch with guns" routine... Well I just dont get some people I guess. I wonder if George St-Pierre would be willing to reprise the role of Batroc (Ze Leaper!) for a guest shot in Iron Fist? When I was a kid an issue of Iron Fist where he fought Batroc was one of my favourite comics.
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Oct 28, 2015 20:39
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I don't see how IF's origin story hinders the series in any way. Like, at all. You can still do a mystical background with a more "normal" TV show (which, honestly, IF doesn't even have to be normal). Hell, look at Arrow, his background of him on the island is just as weird and non-normal (it's practically Lost at points).
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Oct 28, 2015 20:40
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SiKboy posted:After hugging it into unconsciousness over the burning dragon shaped scar in its chest so hard that it branded him. We're going to be able to ID all the psychos that like this show because next season they'll be all "Look, Frank is right".
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Oct 28, 2015 20:47
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#frankwasright
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Boogaleeboo posted:Punched a dragon in the heart for magic kung fu powers. Can not be stressed enough how amazingly weird a setting that would be to add to the MCU. Just make the dragon an alien. Done. It's not like this universe has a shortage of dragon looking aliens that get punched from the inside out.
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Oct 28, 2015 21:27
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I don't think Iron Fist is too mystical for MCU struggling, but I do worry about it looking cheap if they're too ambitious. I would definitely be more interested in urban kung fu stories than the growly adventures of Sgt. Shootemup.
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Oct 28, 2015 21:36
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Chain_of_Dogs posted:I don't see how IF's origin story hinders the series in any way. Like, at all. You can still do a mystical background with a more "normal" TV show (which, honestly, IF doesn't even have to be normal). Hell, look at Arrow, his background of him on the island is just as weird and non-normal (it's practically Lost at points). This basically happened in Kung Fu back in the 70s.
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Soylentbits posted:Just make the dragon an alien. Done. It's not like this universe has a shortage of dragon looking aliens that get punched from the inside out. I mean, deep down I think we are all hoping that if iron fist goes over well then by Netflix MCU wave 3 or so we'll have an episode of TV where Nextwave fight Fin Fang Foom, but lets not get ahead of ourselves.
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After seeing King Shark on Flash last night, I believe anything is possible.
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Oct 28, 2015 21:44
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I don't think the fact that there are mystical elements in Iron Fist is at all the problem. The problem is how they portray it visual. MCU has Thorworld, Vision, and Dr. Strange is coming. Iron Fist is not at all a problem thematically. How they are gonna do it on a TV budget AND have it fit directly in with DD and JJ is the question. ^Holy poo poo I need to go watch that episode right now.
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Oct 28, 2015 21:52
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I want wave 2 to focus on cosmic heroes and form a team by the end the same way wave 1 of Netflix builds up to the Defenders. With Starjammers out due to rights and Guardians a successful movie franchise though I don't think there are any good cosmic teams left. Still, it'd be nice to see a Rom Space Knight, Quasar and Beta-Ray Bill series with them teaming up at the end.
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Oct 28, 2015 21:57
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tsob posted:I want wave 2 to focus on cosmic heroes and form a team by the end the same way wave 1 of Netflix builds up to the Defenders. With Starjammers out due to rights and Guardians a successful movie franchise though I don't think there are any good cosmic teams left. Still, it'd be nice to see a Rom Space Knight, Quasar and Beta-Ray Bill series with them teaming up at the end. I'm still holding out hope that Fox will fold and sell Marvel the rest of the rights. GotG proved that a Starjammers movie could totally work and fight right into the existing MCU. Which means they could do the Dark Phoenix arc all proper with the Kree and Shi'ar. Not gonna lie, I've always wanted to see Professor Xavier's epic romance with Shi'ar Empress Lilandra on the big screen. I might be the only person.
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Snak posted:I don't think the fact that there are mystical elements in Iron Fist is at all the problem. The problem is how they portray it visual. MCU has Thorworld, Vision, and Dr. Strange is coming. Iron Fist is not at all a problem thematically. How they are gonna do it on a TV budget AND have it fit directly in with DD and JJ is the question. Its not like Iron Fist fights a dragon often. They have to stump up the budget to make it look decent once. He gets his rear end kicked by the dragon, fire everywhere hiding a lot of things that would be expensive to shot in detail, close up of him hugging a reptilian neck, dragon collapses, iron fist punches heart. Which it should be mentioned isnt inside the dragon, its in a brazier type thing in the temple it was guarding. Dont get me wrong, more expensive to film than "blindfolded guy fights ninjas in a warehouse" but you'd only need a couple of minutes of CGI dragon, I'd imagine K'un Lun (the mystic city) would mainly appear in flashbacks and the bulk of the series would be iron fist fighing ninjas in warehouses.
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Guys guys, we all know punsiher would be another retelling of Welcome Back Frank,
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I mean I don't think it would be a problem at all in the right hand. But I'm sure it's what most people, including producers, are probably worried about. I think they could do his origin without even showing him fight Shao Lao. There can be the lead up, the training, the Thunderer, and then like, fade out on him going to fight Shao Lao. Flash forward to whatever he's currently doing in the present to day to reveal that obviously he became the Iron Fist when he activate the Iron Fist and proceeds to kick rear end. The issue is not showing Shao Lao ever, it's making a fight between a man and a dragon look good. gently caress even attempting that. Show the dragon, imply the fight.
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tsob posted:I want wave 2 to focus on cosmic heroes and form a team by the end the same way wave 1 of Netflix builds up to the Defenders. With Starjammers out due to rights and Guardians a successful movie franchise though I don't think there are any good cosmic teams left. Still, it'd be nice to see a Rom Space Knight, Quasar and Beta-Ray Bill series with them teaming up at the end. It seems like you could do a lot with the Nova Corps.
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I'd be cool with a Punisher series but I also really don't mind characters like Punisher, Iron Fist, or even Luke Cage being relegated to showing up in other heroes' Netflix series. Like if they're already major characters, why do they even need a spinoff? Just make them big enough presences that the Defenders will still make sense because you already know who they are. Though I kinda just want to see them do a full episode based on that Punisher: War Zone issue in the 90s where he just chills in a treehouse in Central Park and snipes thieves and rapists.
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Well I feel like Iron Fist won't show up until at least Luke Cage's show, so I'm not thinking he'll be a "spin-off". We might not even see him at all until his series.
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Soylentbits posted:Just make the dragon an alien. Done. It's not like this universe has a shortage of dragon looking aliens that get punched from the inside out. Shao Lao is an alien dragon that at a distant point in the past invaded Kun Lun from another dimension, and Kun Lun itself is in a separate dimension from us. So hes a Double Dragon Alien. SaintFu posted:It seems like you could do a lot with the Nova Corps. Nova Corps has the problem of being an obvious rip off of Green Lantern, which was an epic box office bomb. sticklefifer posted:I'd be cool with a Punisher series but I also really don't mind characters like Punisher, Iron Fist, or even Luke Cage being relegated to showing up in other heroes' Netflix series. Like if they're already major characters, why do they even need a spinoff? Just make them big enough presences that the Defenders will still make sense because you already know who they are. If Punisher gets a series I want to see the Luke Cage team up from when Frank was black for a few weeks. Just exactly as it was in the comics. I long to witness the reaction to that story being told in 2015.
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Gyges posted:Nova Corps has the problem of being an obvious rip off of Green Lantern, which was an epic box office bomb. I’d be willing to bet that more people know of the Nova Corps from Guardians of the Galaxy than have ever picked up a Green Lantern comic.
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SaintFu posted:I’d be willing to bet that more people know of the Nova Corps from Guardians of the Galaxy than have ever picked up a Green Lantern comic. Yea, the problem with the Nova Corps is less association with Green Lantern and more that Guardians has already established them and that they are not only completely different to the Green Lantern Corps (or their comics selves), but that they're really just what they sound like Cosmic Cops. They have no super powers, they have no ability to fly in space or fire blasts from their hands or anything at all. They're just regular guys in spaceships patrolling a beat. Which you could make a show out of, but it wouldn't be nearly as exciting as Cosmic Cops suggests and would probably work better as a comedy than a drama series. Either that, or the show would have to go well out of it's way to change what a Nova cop is capable of and use some hefty plot magic to do it.
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tsob posted:Yea, the problem with the Nova Corps is less association with Green Lantern and more that Guardians has already established them and that they are not only completely different to the Green Lantern Corps (or their comics selves), but that they're really just what they sound like Cosmic Cops. They have no super powers, they have no ability to fly in space or fire blasts from their hands or anything at all. They're just regular guys in spaceships patrolling a beat. Which you could make a show out of, but it wouldn't be nearly as exciting as Cosmic Cops suggests and would probably work better as a comedy than a drama series. The Nova Corps is in possession of an infinity gem, not much plot magic or real twisting needed to just give them an upgrade. Of course when Thanos gets all the gems for Avengers Infinity that would affect the project. Really though it would just give them the opportunity to rip off the Spawn idea of a limited amount of power.
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Do not make Shou Lou anything other than a magic kung fu dragon, thanks.
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Oct 29, 2015 01:13
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gently caress it, make Iron Fist about that one lady Iron Fist from China who blew battleships up with chi-arrows. It can be a period piece and she can be after the McGuffin from Defenders. If you're going to be totally impractical, go the whole hog.
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zoux posted:Do not make Shou Lou anything other than a magic kung fu dragon, thanks. Danny becomes the Iron Fist by beating up a gangster named Shou "The Dragon" Lou and taking his trademark iron knuckles.
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Gyges posted:The Nova Corps is in possession of an infinity gem, not much plot magic or real twisting needed to just give them an upgrade. Of course when Thanos gets all the gems for Avengers Infinity that would affect the project. Really though it would just give them the opportunity to rip off the Spawn idea of a limited amount of power. So they did. For some reason I thought they gave it to the collector. Must be getting it mixed up with Avengers or something. It still seems rather a radical shift, but it's possible regardless.
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I also don't understand people's fascination with Green Lantern, both here and in The Arrow thread. He's a pretty boring character.
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enraged_camel posted:I also don't understand people's fascination with Green Lantern, both here and in The Arrow thread. He's a pretty boring character. There have been multiple Green Lanterns -- five significant ones from Earth, plus countless aliens. But the main guy that always gets pushed, Hal Jordan (from the movie), is a boring and stupid idiot.
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Big Bad Voodoo Lou posted:There have been multiple Green Lanterns -- five significant ones from Earth, plus countless aliens. But the main guy that always gets pushed, Hal Jordan (from the movie), is a boring and stupid idiot. Yeah, that's the one I'm talking about.
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enraged_camel posted:Yeah, that's the one I'm talking about. The others are all better, with something unique to make them cool and interesting. I'd love to see a movie about a Green Lantern who is an artist, very creative yet unsure of himself, or an elder statesman Green Lantern who balances his superhero duties with running a huge company that employs thousands of people and keeps a city informed, or a Green Lantern with anger management issues, trying hard to be a good guy but screwing up a lot. Hal Jordan is simultaneously bland and a cocky prick.
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tsob posted:So they did. For some reason I thought they gave it to the collector. Must be getting it mixed up with Avengers or something. It still seems rather a radical shift, but it's possible regardless. Thor's crew gave the one from The Dark World to him.
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Gaz-L posted:gently caress it, make Iron Fist about that one lady Iron Fist from China who blew battleships up with chi-arrows. It can be a period piece and she can be after the McGuffin from Defenders. If you're going to be totally impractical, go the whole hog. Nah, if you're doing that go with the strategist guy who was best buddies with the Brahman Avatar. Or Orson Randall. Orson Randall you could do some sweet Indiana Jones poo poo with and then pass it on to Danny without even having to show Danny's backstory.
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