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Chomp8645 posted:It must be bugged then because I've definitely experienced mismatches (like being Kruber and seeing the whole world on fire). What you're saying is incorrect. Each player sees something different and that is why it's such a cool level. All the illusions have the same geometry. Where Kruber sees a house, Kerillian sees a large rock.
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The issue I have with the BP exploit isn't that people are grinding out high level loot. That's fine personally I think it takes away from the fun but it's a personal thing. The issue I have is that now all these pubbies who only know how to exploit that one thing have really high levels like they've been playing through the game at higher difficulties but when they join anything over normal they completely fall apart. Levels you could use to gauge someone before a match started if they had ever done high difficulties but now you have to wait to see if they're a massive gently caress up in game which is a waste of everyone's time involved
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Oct 29, 2015 15:52
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I find that the best group mix is that everyone equip wide area attack melee weapons and anti-special single-shot armor-piercing high-damage at long distance ranged weapons. Even better if at least one or two characters has a melee weapon that does both wide area attack and armor-piercing single attack damage. Basically everyone needs to be able to completely stand on their own and clear out swathes of rats by themselves, but be able to help out another team mate quickly take down Stormvermin when they are mixed into the swarm.
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Oct 29, 2015 15:54
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It's pretty easy to spot when a group is going to get dunked or not. Ask them to stick together, and when you hit your first horde/ambush take a look at what they do. If you end up naturally creating a murderball things will probably go smoothly. If they're all over the loving place, press ESC and move on  .
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DeathSandwich posted:That poo poo burned me out and ruined the game for me. This. I'm not saying everyone is going to do it, of course; but most of the time the circle "I'm going to run a repetitive/exploitative task to get endgame stuff" and the circle "I'm going to flood the official forums with <this crap has no endgame content> posts" are almost entirely intersecting. This in turn forces the devs to either suck it or to change their development plan to accomodate such pricks (the ones complaining about "no endgame content", I mean). This has an effect on me, cause the new content now forces you to have a certain level of gear progression to be done. And it's just a never ending cycle. Granted, we don't know how Fatshark is going to handle this kind of pressure; but they've been very receptive so far...so I'm a bit scared about the possible implications. tl;dr: I don't want this game to go from "L4D with some nifty char progression" to "you have to have 2k gear score to do this mission".
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Oct 29, 2015 15:59
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Dezztroy posted:What you're saying is incorrect. Each player sees something different and that is why it's such a cool level. All the illusions have the same geometry. Where Kruber sees a house, Kerillian sees a large rock. Maybe you're right and I'm the bozo. It really didn't look that way but I haven't run it extensively or anything. I'll check it out more next time.
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Oct 29, 2015 16:03
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Yeah, perhaps it's just flashbacks to payday but any time you play a game with the single explicit reason to get gear to play "more" of the game you are going to have a bad time. It's not even like you are unlocking new content, like you would in an MMO. They are literally the same levels, just with higher damage rats and less health potions. The only thing you get for beating all the levels on cataclysm is bragging rights. It isn't about e-honor as much as exploiting being boring and cutting yourself out of a natural progression of fun and difficulty
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Oct 29, 2015 16:04
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Yeah I'm sure they are really feeling that relentless pressure to turn their coop pve game into some sort of mmorpg-lite with "endgame content" Hope you can resist Fatshark! 
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rezatahs posted:Yeah I'm sure they are really feeling that relentless pressure to turn their coop pve game into some sort of mmorpg-lite with "endgame content" They have already said that the first major DLC will be about "endgame content". But they also repeatedly said that a major design goal is not to make high end loot mandatory. So who knows.
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Dr. VooDoo posted:The issue I have with the BP exploit isn't that people are grinding out high level loot. That's fine personally I think it takes away from the fun but it's a personal thing. The issue I have is that now all these pubbies who only know how to exploit that one thing have really high levels like they've been playing through the game at higher difficulties but when they join anything over normal they completely fall apart. Levels you could use to gauge someone before a match started if they had ever done high difficulties but now you have to wait to see if they're a massive gently caress up in game which is a waste of everyone's time involved all I see here is just "don't play with pubbies"
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Oct 29, 2015 16:22
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I hope endgame content is purely cosmetic. Like different hats, suits of armor, and alternate orange equipment designs.
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DreamShipWrecked posted:Yeah, perhaps it's just flashbacks to payday but any time you play a game with the single explicit reason to get gear to play "more" of the game you are going to have a bad time. It's not even like you are unlocking new content, like you would in an MMO. They are literally the same levels, just with higher damage rats and less health potions. The only thing you get for beating all the levels on cataclysm is bragging rights. It isn't about e-honor as much as exploiting being boring and cutting yourself out of a natural progression of fun and difficulty Eh, it's not even that in my opinion. I mean, playing Nightmare+ is completely different than playing Hard-, so I consider it extra content. As someone else has said, games without progression are fun to play nonetheless. The problem is the (ridiculously large number of) people that, as soon as there's an item/level progression, have to have the l33test item/level; do anything to get it; then complain that the game is over. Usually there's only a (vocal) minority who gets at that level, cause it requires a certain amount of skill/time. In this case, well, not so much (IE: I can be an average player and get full orange loot by playing BP exploit a couple of hours per evening...in 2 weeks? Maybe less if I'm lucky). And as said, this massive exploit usage influences me, average joe, cause: A) It makes more difficult to play those maps legit; B) It's probably going to influence future content release (both in type of content or in "entry level" difficulty). That Italian Guy fucked around with this message at 16:28 on Oct 29, 2015 |
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Chomp8645 posted:e: Actually I'm pretty sure you're wrong anyway because the different illusions are not the same geographically. It wouldn't work. People would be walking on air or into invisible walls from other player's perspectives. The group I play with has told me I was floating while they were clipped into a log on my screen, at least back in beta.  could use a  e: Specifically in one of the corners, the large stuff is all the same just different things. thejacob fucked around with this message at 16:33 on Oct 29, 2015 |
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Oct 29, 2015 16:30
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CountingWizard posted:I hope endgame content is purely cosmetic. Like different hats, suits of armor, and alternate orange equipment designs. They've already said that the first free DLC will include red weapons and most orange-level gear has 60% more damage when compared to white level gear (at least visually on their little bars) so I doubt this will be the case.
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Oct 29, 2015 16:32
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thejacob posted:The group I play with has told me I was floating while they were clipped into a log on my screen, at least back in beta. Yeah Kerillian gets a log near the infinite ammo pool that others can't see or interact, which allows her to float in the air. Otherwise though the layout is the same for everyone. I think I posted them before, but here they are anyway:  Bright Wizard Dorf Elf WH (my idiot friend plays with 120 FoV apparently) Souljaboi
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Oct 29, 2015 16:38
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None of those look like any of the illusions I've seen in that level. I've only played Bardin in that level, but I always see a blasted wasteland, a deep canyon with a narrow bridge over it, and a tall tower at the end. I always presumed that was the aboveground portion of the hold Bardin was looking for.
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Oct 29, 2015 16:44
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Coolguye posted:None of those look like any of the illusions I've seen in that level. I've only played Bardin in that level, but I always see a blasted wasteland, a deep canyon with a narrow bridge over it, and a tall tower at the end. I always presumed that was the aboveground portion of the hold Bardin was looking for. That place has the wrong number of suns, so I've no idea where it is.
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Coolguye posted:None of those look like any of the illusions I've seen in that level. I've only played Bardin in that level, but I always see a blasted wasteland, a deep canyon with a narrow bridge over it, and a tall tower at the end. I always presumed that was the aboveground portion of the hold Bardin was looking for. You're not in the right part of the map. This is the room with the rope you cut. As you can see in the screen shots.
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Musluk posted:Yeah Kerillian gets a log near the infinite ammo pool that others can't see or interact, which allows her to float in the air. Otherwise though the layout is the same for everyone. I think I posted them before, but here they are anyway: Oh, weird, it's the break the chain gate room that is supposed to be different for each player? I always play WH and apparently I've only ever seen the dwarf room.
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Coolguye posted:None of those look like any of the illusions I've seen in that level. I've only played Bardin in that level, but I always see a blasted wasteland, a deep canyon with a narrow bridge over it, and a tall tower at the end. I always presumed that was the aboveground portion of the hold Bardin was looking for. I've seen the dwarf one, but I thought it was just a massive treasure room. I always see the blasted wasteland, a deep canyon w/bridge, and tower at the end. Where is the illusion in sequence of events? Because I was thinking it starts where you are teleported to a different realm.
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Saint Freak posted:You're not in the right part of the map. This is the room with the rope you cut. As you can see in the screen shots. Oh THAT place. That makes substantially more sense.
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CountingWizard posted:I've seen the dwarf one, but I thought it was just a massive treasure room. I always see the blasted wasteland, a deep canyon w/bridge, and tower at the end. Where is the illusion in sequence of events? Because I was thinking it starts where you are teleported to a different realm. YEa i got the same thing as the elf.
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CountingWizard posted:I've seen the dwarf one, but I thought it was just a massive treasure room. I always see the blasted wasteland, a deep canyon w/bridge, and tower at the end. Where is the illusion in sequence of events? Because I was thinking it starts where you are teleported to a different realm. Saint Freak posted:You're not in the right part of the map. This is the room with the rope you cut. As you can see in the screen shots.
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Oct 29, 2015 16:51
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So one of the things I like about this game is the different size of the characters. I didn't realize it until I switched from dwarf to soldier, but your perspective changes base on character height. When playing as a dwarf, the rats are right in your face and you're almost swinging up at them. As a soldier they're about waist high and you're kind of swinging down. I know it's not much but I think it's a cool detail.
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The different vision per character makes sense since I once was playing the Bright Wizard and saw the burning village. The soldier was choking up and asking if we could just relax in the place where we were.
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Oct 29, 2015 16:53
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This game uses vertical FOV, right?
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Oct 29, 2015 16:54
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Yeah. I think 100 horizontal is like 77-ish vertical, at least on 16:10.
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Chomp8645 posted:e: Actually I'm pretty sure you're wrong anyway because the different illusions are not the same geographically. It wouldn't work. People would be walking on air or into invisible walls from other player's perspectives. I have seen this exact thing happen, where the elf was standing on a tree trunk that I as the dwarf I could not see, as I was seeing a castle full of gold.
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Skandranon posted:I have seen this exact thing happen, where the elf was standing on a tree trunk that I as the dwarf I could not see, as I was seeing a castle full of gold. I guess I assumed it couldn't be that way because it wouldn't work. Turns out it is that way but also doesn't work! 
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Oct 29, 2015 17:11
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Actually I guess maybe it does work, the whole thing is an illusion anyway so why can't people stand in mid air or whatever? A wizard did it!
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So, playing in Nightmare. A hooker grabs one of your friends. There are dozens of rats between you and your swiftly dying teammate. You've got no shot. If the hook rat gets away, he's sure to do it again. What do you do? Shoot the hostage 
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Oct 29, 2015 17:31
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You throw a bomb and let Sigmar set the goods and the bads apart. Your friend is the bad. It is the elf, isn't it?
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Gimnbo posted:Yeah. I think 100 horizontal is like 77-ish vertical, at least on 16:10. http://www.rjdown.co.uk/projects/bfbc2/fovcalculator.php This works just fine, I just wanted to make sure it was right.
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That Italian Guy posted:It is the elf, isn't it? Yes 
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Inside Out Mom posted:So one of the things I like about this game is the different size of the characters. I didn't realize it until I switched from dwarf to soldier, but your perspective changes base on character height. When playing as a dwarf, the rats are right in your face and you're almost swinging up at them. As a soldier they're about waist high and you're kind of swinging down. I know it's not much but I think it's a cool detail. It also makes it easy for Kruber to swing over Bardin's head with a two-hander while Bardin tanks.
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The non-hitscan weapons seem incredibly way worse than the hitscan weapons in this game. Is there really any reason to use any of the bows or crossbows?
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Lemming posted:The non-hitscan weapons seem incredibly way worse than the hitscan weapons in this game. Is there really any reason to use any of the bows or crossbows? Because you have no choice as Witch Hunter or Elf?
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Oct 29, 2015 18:00
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Skandranon posted:Because you have no choice as Witch Hunter or Elf? Isn't the elf the only one who doesn't have any alternatives? Anyway I'm wondering because it also seems like a weird design choice to make certain weapons be flat out worse, so maybe I'm just missing something.
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Lemming posted:Isn't the elf the only one who doesn't have any alternatives? Anyway I'm wondering because it also seems like a weird design choice to make certain weapons be flat out worse, so maybe I'm just missing something. If you want to be special sniping as WH, you need to use the Crossbow.
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