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Was that CNBC's first time hosting the debate?
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Oct 29, 2015 16:00
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zoux posted:Was that CNBC's first time hosting the debate? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uvmKnFY4uk
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Oct 29, 2015 16:01
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c'mon you guys, it was CNBC's first day. and their dad just died!
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Oct 29, 2015 16:02
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Well they hosed it up majorly and completely let the candidates get away with terrible answers to substantive questions. Ben Carson utterly failing to defend his disaster of a tax plan is not a loving gotcha arithmetic word problem outta nowhere. Thanks again, American journalism.
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Oct 29, 2015 16:03
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zoux posted:Well they hosed it up majorly and completely let the candidates get away with terrible answers to substantive questions. Ben Carson utterly failing to defend his disaster of a tax plan is not a loving gotcha arithmetic word problem outta nowhere. Thanks again, American journalism. Ben Carson isn't going to need journalists to make him look like a fool.
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Oct 29, 2015 16:10
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I did not know that Ryan was once a waiter at the Tortilla Coast. That's hilarious.
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Oct 29, 2015 16:11
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I'm still new to watching debates, but.is a moderator actually pointing to the fact that a candidate is wrong or lied showing bias? Like when Carson said, " I did speeches for them, use their product and recommend their product, but no I have no relationship with them." Shouldn't a mod be able to just ask "How is that possible at all?"
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Oct 29, 2015 16:11
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OxySnake posted:I'm still new to watching debates, but.is a moderator actually pointing to the fact that a candidate is wrong or lied showing bias? When Candy Crowley called out a blatant lie from Romney last cycle, conservatives lost their goddamn minds over it.
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Oct 29, 2015 16:12
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OxySnake posted:I'm still new to watching debates, but.is a moderator actually pointing to the fact that a candidate is wrong or lied showing bias? You'd think that but Republican politics don't even exist in the same dimension as the rest of us.
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Oct 29, 2015 16:12
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There's a new viral video going around of a
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Oct 29, 2015 16:15
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Was anyone else last night trying to figure out if Trump had a prepared closing statement or if he just made it up on the spot? I honestly can't tell anymore.
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Oct 29, 2015 16:16
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I'm thoroughly convinced Bush swinging and missing at the debates last night was the end of his campaign. The media narrative has turned against him and will scare away whatever donors he has left.
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Oct 29, 2015 16:16
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Venom Snake posted:If it looks like Paul is going to start winning then the Dems should start voting for him and watch the HFC suddenly start changing all their votes lol Which law did that happen with again? That poo poo was hilarious.
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Oct 29, 2015 16:17
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Ayn Rand-loving, cool-youth-Republican, serious-numbers-guy Paul Ryan is now Speaker of the House. What is this stupid loving country?
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Oct 29, 2015 16:18
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zoux posted:When Candy Crowley called out a blatant lie from Romney last cycle, conservatives lost their goddamn minds over it. So many fond memories of the rise of the Trollbama. "Please proceed governor." And yeah, when a candidate denies a quote, you wave a quote in a candidate's face taken from their own campaign website, and no one bats an eye, you're living in a world where facts literally don't matter. It isn't enough for something to be correct, everyone has to agree that it's correct. I still think the moderators should have literally begun saying that the candidates were flat out lying, since they were already clearly blacklisted for asking Gotcha Questions.
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Oct 29, 2015 16:19
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Combed Thunderclap posted:So many fond memories of the rise of the Trollbama. The national political press corps is completely cowed by threats of diminished access so politicians can do and say what they want pretty much.
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Oct 29, 2015 16:21
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NoEyedSquareGuy posted:Ayn Rand-loving, cool-youth-Republican, serious-numbers-guy Paul Ryan is now Speaker of the House. What is this stupid loving country? Look at it this way: this is the beginning of the end of Paul Ryan ever being taken seriously again, even within his own party.
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Oct 29, 2015 16:21
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NoEyedSquareGuy posted:Ayn Rand-loving, cool-youth-Republican, serious-numbers-guy Paul Ryan is now Speaker of the House. What is this stupid loving country? Look what happened to his predecessor. ^ yeah exactly
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Oct 29, 2015 16:23
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NoEyedSquareGuy posted:Ayn Rand-loving, cool-youth-Republican, serious-numbers-guy Paul Ryan is now Speaker of the House. What is this stupid loving country? Hell, you shoulda seen the guy they had before him.
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Oct 29, 2015 16:23
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There was just something funny about him reading "only standing here now do I understand the House and the American people" from a written speech.
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Oct 29, 2015 16:27
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zoux posted:The national political press corps is completely cowed by threats of diminished access so politicians can do and say what they want pretty much. I actually think it is worse than that. I think people trust campaigns and social media more than the media, and it is in the interest of campaigns to gang up against the media. The media is completely at the whim of the consumer, and if they give the people news they don't want to hear, well why keep using that news source?
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Oct 29, 2015 16:28
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Ryan already hosed up, he didn't ask for the resolution to be numbered before he had it read. Tsk loving tsk.Fix posted:There was just something funny about him reading "only standing here now do I understand the House and the American people" from a written speech. Haha I noticed that too.
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Oct 29, 2015 16:28
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Nelson Mandingo posted:I'm thoroughly convinced Bush swinging and missing at the debates last night was the end of his campaign. The media narrative has turned against him and will scare away whatever donors he has left. For what it's worth, Nate Silver agrees. Yeah, Jeb Bush Is Probably Toast
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Oct 29, 2015 16:28
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pathetic little tramp posted:Ryan already hosed up, he didn't ask for the resolution to be numbered before he had it read. Tsk loving tsk. For the non-US here, ie me, what does this mean?
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Oct 29, 2015 16:30
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Trabisnikof posted:I actually think it is worse than that. I think people trust campaigns and social media more than the media, and it is in the interest of campaigns to gang up against the media. The media is completely at the whim of the consumer, and if they give the people news they don't want to hear, well why keep using that news source? People have been taught that the media lies but they haven't caught onto social media being full of shills and lies, too, and they can self-select their own echo chamber while decrying everything outside of it as bullshit.
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Oct 29, 2015 16:30
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Joementum posted:Maybe Republicans are just very formal and want to refer to everyone with their middle name included, which is why they call the President Barack Hussein Obama. From way back, but after electing President George Herbert Walker Bush and President George Walker Bush, I can understand it if they consider the inclusion of middle names necessary for clarity in formal political speech.
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Oct 29, 2015 16:30
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happyhippy posted:For the non-US here, ie me, what does this mean? A minor procedural gaffe that he quickly corrected, I'm just busting balls.
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Oct 29, 2015 16:30
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zoux posted:Well they hosed it up majorly and completely let the candidates get away with terrible answers to substantive questions. Ben Carson utterly failing to defend his disaster of a tax plan is not a loving gotcha arithmetic word problem outta nowhere. Thanks again, American journalism. Even that was too hostile according to the RNC. We should really just stop calling these things debates, they're glorified Q&As at best and they're on their way to becoming infomercials if the RNC and campaign heads get their way.
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Oct 29, 2015 16:31
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quote:If Jeb Bush became a Democrat, I’m not saying he’d win the nomination, let alone the presidency, but he’d have a better shot at either than he currently does in the Republican Party. That is the dumbest poo poo that I've ever heard in my life. We'd laugh him out of the building before he even got more than one foot in the door.
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Oct 29, 2015 16:32
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Luigi Thirty posted:People have been taught that the media lies but they haven't caught onto social media being full of shills and lies, too, and they can self-select their own echo chamber while decrying everything outside of it as bullshit. Yeah and CNBC was really caught off guard by the candidates getting that truthiness matters more than facts. They just couldn't really handle candidates just lying or completely ignoring the rules collaboratively.
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Oct 29, 2015 16:32
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Luigi Thirty posted:People have been taught that the media lies but they haven't caught onto social media being full of shills and lies, too, and they can self-select their own echo chamber while decrying everything outside of it as bullshit. People aren't taught how to discriminate between good and bad information so they give a peer reviewed journal sourced article the same weight as an email from Uncle Tony in 26 pt blue font that ends "and you just can't top that".
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Oct 29, 2015 16:32
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All future debates should be hosted by 3 clones of Sean Hannity. Only way the Republicans will be happy and there will be none of this gotcha poo poo.
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Oct 29, 2015 16:36
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Zeroisanumber posted:That is the dumbest poo poo that I've ever heard in my life. We'd laugh him out of the building before he even got more than one foot in the door. I would love to have Jeb Bush in for just one Democratic debate so that all three real candidates could clown on him.
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Oct 29, 2015 16:37
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zoux posted:People aren't taught how to discriminate between good and bad information so they give a peer reviewed journal sourced article the same weight as an email from Uncle Tony in 26 pt blue font that ends "and you just can't top that". The truth must be in the middle, you see, between the peer-reviewed journal and this email that says Obama wants to put us all in death chambers and sacrifice the country to Ba'al. Why would it be online if it wasn't true?
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Oct 29, 2015 16:38
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Luigi Thirty posted:The truth must be in the middle, you see, between the peer-reviewed journal and this email that says Obama wants to put us all in death chambers and sacrifice the country to Ba'al. Why would it be online if it wasn't true? We're just here to completely objectively lay out these two positions in a way that implies they are completely equally valid and let you decide which one you already believe so you can not worry about challenging your perceptions.
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Oct 29, 2015 16:40
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Nintendo Kid posted:I would love to have Jeb Bush in for just one Democratic debate so that all three real candidates could clown on him. Weird to refer to O'Malley as a real candidate.
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Oct 29, 2015 16:40
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The GoP should have a debate hosted by Gamergate, or perhaps by the Constitutional Sheriffs and Peace Officers' Association
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Oct 29, 2015 16:41
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Luigi Thirty posted:People have been taught that the media lies but they haven't caught onto social media being full of shills and lies, too, and they can self-select their own echo chamber while decrying everything outside of it as bullshit. Self-selecting your own echo chamber is now a feature rather than a bug. If I understand correctly Google News has used algorithms to do this automatically for a while now. The Apple News app in IOS 9 explicitly promises "the best stories from the sources you love, selected just for you. The more you read, the more personalized your news becomes." This is a bad thing
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Oct 29, 2015 16:42
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My main takeaways were that CNBC is a lieberal news org and that Rick Santelli is a communist. About the access thing, like seriously who gives a poo poo? The loving Blaze cannot stand up a cable news channel that quickly. What's the other option? Fifteen "debates" on Fox News? The purpose of getting off the ranch is to convince people that aren't 100% in the RWM hole. If CNBC, or any other news org, decided to actually have these things called "rules" and have the audacity to cut off people's mics, maybe the narrative wouldn't have been "CNBC is a joke".
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Oct 29, 2015 16:43
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Rhesus Pieces posted:Self-selecting your own echo chamber is now a feature rather than a bug. If I understand correctly Google News has used algorithms to do this automatically for a while now. The Apple News app in IOS 9 explicitly promises "the best stories from the sources you love, selected just for you. The more you read, the more personalized your news becomes." It is a major part of political communication now. There's a reason we've shifted towards base elections rather than persuasion elections. Phone posted:My main takeaways were that CNBC is a lieberal news org and that Rick Santelli is a communist. lol if CNBC had cut off mics the audience would have started throwing things at the moderators.
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Oct 29, 2015 16:45
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