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Trabisnikof posted:Ok, this is pretty hard for Jeb! to survive? right? He is banking on more people paying attention after the new year and that will somehow launch his campaign. Or that Carson and Trump will flame out because of the, you know, insanity. However, JEB! still needs to articulate some sort of reason he is running.
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gradenko_2000 posted:It remains to be seen if the conservatives are willing to just expand the definition of white to combat this. Actually it's been determined. They already did that. Like the way that certain minorities became "white" is basically by having all immigration from those countries stop, and then the 2nd+ generation ones (for lack of a better term) "act white". That's not going to happen as long as you have a 120 million strong developing nation directly to your south.
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Oct 30, 2015 01:54
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Trabisnikof posted:Ok, this is pretty hard for Jeb! to survive? right? This may not be a deathblow, but it's another heavy body blow when Jeb! is already reeling hard.
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Oct 30, 2015 01:54
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The demographics of this poll are pretty stark. 38% over 65, 68% over 50, 87% white. Then there are the complete lies: 39% haven't decided yet whether they're going to vote R no matter who the candidates are, 28% consider themselves moderate as opposed to slightly or very conservative.
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Oct 30, 2015 01:58
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What are theories about where the leaked slides came from? Best guess I got is someone with a shred of sanity saw how hard and deep ¡Jeb! is hosed in the primary and wanted to get a favor from someone by passing it on.
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Oct 30, 2015 02:00
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 Holy loving  USPOL November - "because... voters have A.D.D."
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Oct 30, 2015 02:04
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:Just so we're clear on Nader: quote:My favorite band is Rage Against The Machine 
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Oct 30, 2015 02:05
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fade5 posted:With all the crap that has been piled on him by now? Definitely. It absolutely SHOULD be but I wouldn't be surprised if Bush manages to coast for another week or two out of sheer momentum/denial. Burning money the entire time. 
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Oct 30, 2015 02:06
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In case you were curious, Rubio is planning to attend the 1am voting session on the budget deal tonight. Hard to imagine why he hates his job.
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Oct 30, 2015 02:10
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Joementum posted:In case you were curious, Rubio is planning to attend the 1am voting session on the budget deal tonight. If I had to work with Rand Paul I would ragequit within five minutes.
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Oct 30, 2015 02:24
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I can't believe how excited I am about the Jeb campaign!
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Oct 30, 2015 02:26
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Going absolutely wild for the poll where 17% of people said Carly Fiorina is their top pick for "Has Proven Experience Creating Jobs and Improving the Economy".
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Oct 30, 2015 02:27
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Joementum posted:In case you were curious, Rubio is planning to attend the 1am voting session on the budget deal tonight. Can you trust
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GhostofJohnMuir posted:Bad examples, both phenomena were recent developments 100 years ago, largely as a result of the racist policies and public stances of Woodrow Wilson. He summarily turned around the long standing and before then undisputed policy of racial integration in the Federal civil service, and his openly racist attitudes helped to normalize and speed along the revitalization of what had been an almost completely defunct KKK. I often think that the "arc of history is long but bends towards justice" has not resulted in hope, but complacency. But I'm a cynic. Dapper_Swindler posted:I dont like rubio, but he is honestly the closet republican that could win moderates. if jeb were smart, he would attack trump, carson and cruz as being insane radicals. How's that working out for Kaisch? "Rubio appeals to moderates" is exactly why he has to destroy him, Bush's only hope here is that there is a silent majority in the GOP of moderates that will vote in the primary based off that, and holding on to the backing from the donors until then. If Rubio gets a head of steam going it is a huge battle. computer parts posted:The US ain't getting whiter. You know as well as I do that they said the same thing in the 1870s, complaining about asiatic huns and dirty irishmen. Howling about those "mudmen" serving as the backbone of the union army and "defiling the flower of the south" was a staple of Daughters of Confederate Veterans newsletters. Then the social construct shifted and lo and behold we were anointed as good upstanding white people. Happened with italians too. "White" is a social construct of in group vs out group and so it shifts with who is in the ingroup. FilthIncarnate posted:Would you go into this a little deeper, if you don't mind? I'm pretty much good for nothing but glib comments and smartass remarks until Wednesday. But as a brief interlude, Straussianism is a distinct framework for evaluating things of a political nature and his overall methodology, whereas I'd be going to with a specific section of his writings, namely his take on the Nobel Lie, found in his discussion of Plato's Republic in The City and Man and tying it in with his comments on the rise of national socialism and support of fascism. Basically he thought it was good and cool that elites create a national myth to justify their rule and coerce the people into doing their bidding, with truth, law, and ethical behavior being laughable ideas with no place in the role of a stable and cohesive society. Reagan has been used heavily by the adherents to this view during and particularly post presidency, turning a mediocre man with a brain turned to oatmeal by disease who left office under scandal into a totem that justifies all their behavior and was loved and supported by all. This lets him be used to refute any and all things they don't like and beat back against actual beloved figures. It was used while in office ("my heart tells me it is true but the facts tell me it is not", and most of the rhetoric of his speeches, his little spins on the presidency and a ton of symbolic stuff for the military, pushing it to the current insane hero worship) and all the time since (remember how actual reagan couldn't get by in today's GOP, but you had Eric Cantor on 60 minutes straight up insisting Reagan never raised taxes and opposed immigration reform?) The power of symbols is very undervalued, particularly in how it merges with modern marketing. If you are interested in more, check out Jeet Heer, editor of The New Republic, it was his comments on this that got me reading about it and noticing the pattern. Actually people should be following him on twitter anyways, with TNC touring and Jamelle Bouie doing wedding planning, he is the best source of comic book talk & politicial mockery on the twitters. here are some highlights of books covering Strauss and fascism if you want some cliff notes on that part Fried Chicken fucked around with this message at 02:37 on Oct 30, 2015 |
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Oct 30, 2015 02:31
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Holy gently caress those Bush internals are bad. Like you had to know the situation was bad behind the scenes but that bad? Fuuuuuuuuuck
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Oct 30, 2015 02:34
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It kills me that "Jeb" is cutting into the red borderline at the bottom. What kind of amateur hour poo poo is that, this is a powerpoint from a loving Presidential campaign and they're OK with that? Does no one know how to resize that top text box? gently caress they even screwed up "Governor Bush's" in the second-to-last slide. I know it's spergy but for Christ's loving sake already. Realtalk, no one cares because whoever put this together knows he's a dead man walking and his campaign staff are all desperately looking for another grifter to latch onto with their circular fanged mouths.
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Oct 30, 2015 02:36
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30.5 Days posted:Does jeb! not understand the hows and whys of people lying to pollsters? Yeah, they said yes. That doesn't mean they believe it, or that you should say it. Looks like they missed the verify part of "Trust, but Verify."
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Oct 30, 2015 02:37
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JonathonSpectre posted:It kills me that "Jeb" is cutting into the red borderline at the bottom. What kind of amateur hour poo poo is that, this is a powerpoint from a loving Presidential campaign and they're OK with that? Does no one know how to resize that top text box? gently caress they even screwed up "Governor Bush's" in the second-to-last slide. I know it's spergy but for Christ's loving sake already. They all just got their pay cut by 40% they don't give a gently caress
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Oct 30, 2015 02:39
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I love the pie chart behind Cruz, a red circle with 34 R in it
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Oct 30, 2015 02:41
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lamentable dustman posted:I love the pie chart behind Cruz, a red circle with 34 R in it He's calling out Mitch hard. This is why I have my doubts about his ability to succeed in the primary: he makes way too many enemies. Cruz has also been talking for over an hour now. Rand lasted 18 minutes.
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Oct 30, 2015 02:45
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Mooseontheloose posted:That's actually really weird results if it was republicans because they basically all say, yah clinton has the expierence and cares about me on some level. I just don't trust her. And if that's the case, Bush is fuuuuuucked in a general. Remember: we just had the eighth Benghazi hearing to vilify HRC and Republicans hate the everloving piss out of Clinton. Jeb! barely edges out against her in a poll mostly meant for Republicans. ¡Jeb! is toast. Teriyaki Koinku fucked around with this message at 02:48 on Oct 30, 2015 |
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"Leader McConnell has proven to be a very effective Democratic leader." ~ Ted Cruz "You know, Ayn Rand wrote in Atlas Shrugged...." ~ Ted Cruz
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Oct 30, 2015 02:47
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foobardog posted:Why are you using an obvious push poll as if it's meaningful? Can't challenge the Narrative(tm) too hard, you see... Mooseontheloose posted:I'll never understand it. HRC, although she's great at politics, does so transparently which ironically rubs people the wrong way for being disingenuous (which, you know, playing the politics game as a career is all about). As with pork barrel spending, people really don't like seeing (to borrow the Beltway phrase) "how the sausage gets made." That's how we end up with shithead Tea Partiers who refuse to govern. It's what the electorate really wants! Teriyaki Koinku fucked around with this message at 02:55 on Oct 30, 2015 |
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Oct 30, 2015 02:49
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Joementum posted:"Leader McConnell has proven to be a very effective Democratic leader." ~ Ted Cruz Thank you for watching it so we don't have to.  What time he had in yesterday's debate is more of him than I could ever stomach.
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Oct 30, 2015 02:52
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Aerox posted:A couple hours ago someone leaked a giant ~100 slide internal Bush campaign Powerpoint presentation to US News outlining goals, strategies, and data. Internal polling data, ad strategy, vote goals -- really interesting stuff and I'm sure he's livid it got leaked. This is what happens when you cut pay.
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Oct 30, 2015 02:53
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Absurd Alhazred posted:Thank you for watching it so we don't have to. I've just been turning the sound on and off periodically. There's no way I'm going to mainline an hour of Ted Cruz. I was really hoping he was going to galtse us and read the whole speech after that Ayn Rand reference. Sadly, no. 
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Oct 30, 2015 02:55
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It bothers me that in this John Carpenter movie vampires, there is only one female character that is either A. Not a stripper and B doesn't die in the first five minutes And for the rest of the movie since the first half hour she has been tied up to something
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Oct 30, 2015 02:59
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Ted Cruz now criticizing the Republican leadership for refusing to compromise. He says the country was better when Republicans worked with Bill Clinton and balanced the budget. No, really. Ted Cruz just said that.
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Oct 30, 2015 03:00
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Joementum posted:Ted Cruz now criticizing the Republican leadership for refusing to compromise. He says the country was better when Republicans worked with Bill Clinton and balanced the budget. I can't believe Steve Jobs donated his reality distortion field to the Republicans.
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Oct 30, 2015 03:02
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Gravel Gravy posted:It bothers me that in this John Carpenter movie vampires, there is only one female character that is either James Woods was chewing scenery like no other in that film though, and it was a blast.
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Oct 30, 2015 03:02
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Joementum posted:Ted Cruz now criticizing the Republican leadership for refusing to compromise. He says the country was better when Republicans worked with Bill Clinton and balanced the budget.  , Ted.
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Oct 30, 2015 03:03
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Joementum posted:Ted Cruz now criticizing the Republican leadership for refusing to compromise. He says the country was better when Republicans worked with Bill Clinton and balanced the budget. This is a terrible Twilight Zone episode.
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Oct 30, 2015 03:04
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One more slide for the pile: Jeb! takes after the RSF's love of hilariously hosed-up graphs.
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Oct 30, 2015 03:05
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Joementum posted:Ted Cruz now criticizing the Republican leadership for refusing to compromise. He says the country was better when Republicans worked with Bill Clinton and balanced the budget. I liked the bit about Obama threatening to shut down the government. I turned off the sound and am using closed-captioning.
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Oct 30, 2015 03:06
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Gravel Gravy posted:It bothers me that in this John Carpenter movie vampires, there is only one female character that is either I laughed my rear end off when he beat up the priest and then asked him if getting slapped around gave him a boner.
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Oct 30, 2015 03:06
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lamentable dustman posted:I love the pie chart behind Cruz, a red circle with 34 R in it From this we are able to determine the volume and circumference so it's not like it's useless info
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Oct 30, 2015 03:11
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Joementum posted:Cruz has also been talking for over an hour now. Rand lasted 18 minutes. Wait, so Rand was hyping the crap out of his filibuster, usually a talk-til-you-drop kind of affair, and he lasted 18 minutes? Sounds like the average goon's sex life.
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Oct 30, 2015 03:13
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Jackson Taus posted:Wait, so Rand was hyping the crap out of his filibuster, usually a talk-til-you-drop kind of affair, and he lasted 18 minutes? Sounds like the average goon's sex life. Apparently his "fillibuster" is going to start at midnight, but Mitch has limited the time each Senator is allowed to speak to one hour, so the vote on cloture will happen at 1am unless Senators donate Rand their time.
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If I worked with Cruz and Paul I'd be OK so long as I got to punch them.
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