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That was a hard-fought Timurids to Mughals run, Delhi ended up crazy big and got an alliance with the Ottomans and it took a while to find a weakness. But then I did, took all the provinces I needed, clicked the button, and enjoyed the soothing new color. Then I promptly quit when I saw all my claims on India, which I just knew were going to expire before I got to use a lot of them, and remembered that in Cossacks they'll be permanent claims. Timurids are a good start for a mid-level player, because you really have to keep an eye on your stability. Low religious unity, not a lot of development and rebels of drat near every flavor mean that you're only a few dice rolls away from REBELS EVERYWHERE. Your ruler is 1/1/1, his heir is 1/1/1, and they're both like 50 years old. Plus you get an event a little while in that raises the unrest in every Shia province by 10%. No wonder the Timurids end up exploding in pretty much every CS game I play. Oh, and you can't ally the Ottomans because they're ~historical rivals~. Whatever.
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So what is the secret to being made emperor by winning the League Wars? It always sounds like the Protestant League leader is made emperor upon its victory, even as someone outside of the Empire, but I've lead it to victory multiple times and it always goes to some tiny Protestant duchy that contributed nothing. One time it even went to a Protestant member of the Catholic League, which just feels wrong.
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Jazerus posted:Well, Expansion and Quantity together are not actually as bad in this situation as they would be apart, since they give a +1 Colonist policy. You might as well pick up Exploration next as well at that point and be all-in on colonization since you have 2/3 of the colonization idea groups already. Having 3-4 colonists running by 1550 is exponentially more useful than just one or two, and it isn't too ambitious to plan on being able to colonize and funnel trade from the west coast of the Americas to Asia as well as eventually dominate the Ivory Coast to capture the Caribbean trade. It takes a little more work to become a Britain-like global trade parasite when you aren't in Europe but if you start early it's very rewarding. Plus as Vijay you should be fairly secure at home and not really need the bonuses of the other idea groups for a while. That policy is a hell of a lot worse for a non-Western nation though, because you need those military points that much more. QuarkJets posted:Thanks for the posts guys, it's good to know that I'm not just stupid and that the siege tooltips really are difficult to comprehend. I had read all of them, but the fact that there are 12 phases did not come across at all. You can see the likelyhood of each event if you mouse over the dice icon in the siege view. The odds of the garrison surrendering on the next tick is the percentage that's shown beside the attacking army on the map. Particularly if you have a leader with an excellent siege score, up against a low level fort, sieges can end in way less than 12 ticks. I've seen it happen in 1 before, for a properly garrisoned fort even. GSD posted:So what is the secret to being made emperor by winning the League Wars? It always sounds like the Protestant League leader is made emperor upon its victory, even as someone outside of the Empire, but I've lead it to victory multiple times and it always goes to some tiny Protestant duchy that contributed nothing. PittTheElder fucked around with this message at 06:30 on Oct 30, 2015 |
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Leagues are only enabled if there are 1 or more Protestant electors. If say there were only 1, then leagues fired, and then that elector was annexed or converted, I don't know what would happen. My guess would be an auto-victory for the Catholics.
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Is, uh, this supposed to happen? They didn't convert or anything.
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They were actually a member of the Protestant League in real life to weaken their Rivals, Catholic Austria. 
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GreyPowerVan posted:They were actually a member of the Protestant League in real life to weaken their Rivals, Catholic Austria.
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Strudel Man posted:Really! The motivation certainly makes sense, but I had thought that in the game the leagues were limited to the proper religion. All you need to join one of the Religious leagues is to have your Capitol in Europe.
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Thanks for the advice on Vijay guys, guess I'll pick up Exploration next and go all out on colonization. This is my first game as a non-western nation and I'm having a lot of fun, what are some other good and fun medium sized nations outside of Europe?
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I'm playing Bahmanis and it's kind of like a Vijay game. I'm going to be able to form Hindustan soon and right now I have religious for CBs and missionaries and Quantity because wars in the tropics are horrible. I've been wondering what to do next, a Diplomatic group seems like a natural fit because I'm up to a good pace in Dip tech but a bit behind in Admin (all those new provinces to core!). Exploration to waltz into Africa? Trade to take advantage of Ceylon and Goa and go hog wild in Asia? The fun part is that I'll run into more developed nations inevitably so it's not like the PLC game where you're unstoppable after a certain point. Some western power can push my poo poo in before I can westernise. Also, Ming is already giving me the stink-eye.
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Strudel Man posted:Is, uh, this supposed to happen? I like how this same question has been asked at least ten times total in these threads. Truth is stranger than fiction indeed.
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Because everyone is playing Admin up, is the idea group really worth it if you're planning to stay (relatively) small in Europe? As Netherlands at least I've never found the benefits to be that compelling because if I'm limiting myself to the low countries plus vassalizing some of France/Germany's minor cultures, the 25% coring discount doesn't seem like it'll get me all that much points saved? The mercenary bonuses seem decidedly average as going tall with quantity gives you what seems to me to be a decent enough pool of manpower that mercenaries aren't really necessary. Maybe the auto-merc-upgrade slated for the next patch will make it better but in my mind I'd rather be building ships so I can privateer and protect trade and get more ducats. The +1 adviser bonus might as well not exist with how often I find myself thinking "man i wish i had more advisors" (never) Interest per annum is also pretty unnecessary as I'm often swimming in so much cash that loans are a distant afterthought. So that leaves me in the end with the goods produced modifier at the end when you complete it, and cheaper admin tech. Doesn't seem worth a whole idea group for two useful effects? Feel free to tell me how I'm a horrible player and can use Administrative to supercharge my France-whupping game though, because I'm not really seeing it. E: Is there also a way to figure out which colonial provinces will have a changed name for a colonizer, or add new ones? (like how Manhattan changes to New York or New Amsterdam) E2: V you are right. Hambilderberglar fucked around with this message at 10:47 on Oct 30, 2015 |
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+1 advisors is kind of useless now that you can buy away useless advisors.
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Admin is mostly good on the back of the coring discount. If you are not planning to use it, the idea group loses most of its oomph. As a small Netherlands, you'd be better of with an Exploration/Expansion combo if you want to colonize.
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Speaking of the leagues, what determines whether the AI (especially outside of the HRE) joins in, and is there any way to influence this as a player? I'm playing my first game as emperor with Austria. France are rivalled to me so could they in theory join the Protestants? Ottomans already did. I'm allied to Spain and wouldn't mind them joining me but I suppose as allies they'd get called in anyway?
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Yashichi posted:+1 advisors is kind of useless now that you can buy away useless advisors. I sort of feel like the advisor system could use an overhaul. Like maybe you can recruit any kind of advisor at any time but they have a 'base cost' on how useful they are (colonial range is cheaper then discipline) which is then multiplied by how many monarch points you want. Or, possibly, decouple advisors from monarch points, get rid of the current 'national focus' and have a system where you can buy monthly monarch points at a suitably steep rate. Like each category has a + & - key with a price underneath. Repeatedly firing advisors until you get one you like just feels... kludgy.
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Cynic Jester posted:Admin is mostly good on the back of the coring discount. If you are not planning to use it, the idea group loses most of its oomph. As a small Netherlands, you'd be better of with an Exploration/Expansion combo if you want to colonize. Poil posted:Too bad you can't hire foreign advisors at all. Hambilderberglar fucked around with this message at 15:21 on Oct 30, 2015 |
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Poil posted:Too bad you can't hire foreign advisors at all. Hambilderberglar posted:Exploration, Expansion, Quantity is my usual opening order, I just kept hearing admin admin admin so I wanted to make sure I'm not missing out on anything cool. I fill the rest out with Trade (for the merchants) Maritime (coastal seazone repair plus thalassocracy merchant) Econ (development cost) Plutocratic (merchant, caravan power, tech discount, manpower recovery) and a wildcard humanism/innovative/another mil idea thats not naval.
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Sokrateez posted:Thanks for the advice on Vijay guys, guess I'll pick up Exploration next and go all out on colonization. Ethiopia is super fun. Take exploration first to size the Cape and as much of Africa while you can. Race to take Egypt from the Mamluks before the Ottomans can get a mission for it. By the time you're bumping up against the Ottomans you should be big enough to ally the Commonwealth or another major Christian power from across the Mediterranean. Oh and you start with a God-King so you can eke out a tech advantage on all of your neighbors.
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 I couldn't wait for France to get weakened because she and her allies kept winning every war they fought decisively so I just waited until I could get England, Scandinavia and the Ottomans to be willing to join me who then proceeded to distract all their allies while France and I rammed our stacks of ~200k into each other in the Pyrenees. Even though I was Military 24 vs France's 23 and I had Offensive/Quality/Quantity filled out they could still beat me in an even fight thanks to Elan but at least the AI doesn't spam mercs prior to a big fight. Still sad that Andalusia is another one of those formables with an inferior colour to the original nation(s).
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That's a balling rear end Hamburg. And yeah. Hannover, Scandinava, Germany, HRE/Prussia (if you hate gray), Hindustan, Arabia... The list goes on and on.
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Larry Parrish posted:That's a balling rear end Hamburg. You should be able to open the custom nation interface at any time to change your countries flag/name/rgb color. tia Wiz.
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I'm pretty bummed that after refusing to change Prussia for so long, they're now changing Bavaria's map color to blue. It's just not right...
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PittTheElder posted:I'm pretty bummed that after refusing to change Prussia for so long, they're now changing Bavaria's map color to blue. It's just not right... Have you considered that you might care far too much about map colors in a computer game?
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Wiz posted:Have you considered that you might care far too much about map colors in a computer game? I'm pretty sure map colours in a map painting game is of primary importance.
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Wiz posted:Have you considered that you might care far too much about map colors in a computer game? It's the one thing you can't change, influence, or make up for except through formables so really it is the most important aspect of playing. Way to out yourself as a Terrain Mapmode user though 
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Wiz posted:Have you considered that you might care far too much about map colors in a computer game? Yes right, and you'll be telling us next that pretty borders are of no consequence 
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Wiz posted:Have you considered that you might care far too much about map colors in a computer game? I have. But this is a map painting game. Map colour is of primary importance. The change of Bavaria is particularly interesting, since it's pretty unique in it's region, looks fine, and has been the same for as long as I can remember. Those same things apply to Prussia's current colour as well, but if the grey was fine, why change Bavaria in the first place? :crying0-49-83:
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Wiz posted:Have you considered that you might care far too much about map colors in a computer game? It's what you look at most of the time.
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Wiz posted:Have you considered that you might care far too much about map colors in a computer game? I find myself suddenly questioning your competence and moral foundation.
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StashAugustine posted:All the bonuses for trading in X are kinda silly if you think about them too hard. I like the +fort defense for trading in coffee.
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Bavaria is light blue in Victoria/2. This is just the prep work to make it easier to convert EU4 to V3.
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Some guy tweeted at me and asked me to make Bavaria blue so I did. I'd change Prussia but it's grey by Decree of Johan.
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Wiz posted:Some guy tweeted at me and asked me to make Bavaria blue so I did. I'd change Prussia but it's grey by Decree of Johan. Bring back yellow-green Prussia.
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Wiz posted:Some guy tweeted at me and asked me to make Bavaria blue so I did.
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