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amuayse posted:I've always used the GEP gun as a magical lock opening tool If youre not using the GEP Gun to open doors you're not using it right.
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Is that coming from someone in China, I mean, The People's Republic of China? He would get shot for saying bad stuff about the government. Did you forget the government got shut down because reality is the complete opposite of what the guy said? Scalding Coffee fucked around with this message at 04:25 on Oct 28, 2015 |
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Oct 28, 2015 04:14
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Well, it's Hong Kong, which I'm given to understand is kind of different from mainland China.
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Oct 28, 2015 06:38
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Remora posted:Well, it's Hong Kong, which I'm given to understand is kind of different from mainland China. It was back then. It is not, now. The British handed control of Hong Kong back to China a few years after DX came out.
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Oct 28, 2015 06:46
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Fuzz posted:It was back then. It is not, now. The British handed control of Hong Kong back to China a few years after DX came out. A few years before, in 1997. Hong Kong is still socially very different.
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Oct 28, 2015 11:06
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China also promised as part of the return deal to leave Hong Kong alone and let it function under its own system without interference. They've only started really reneging on that in the past couple of years, at the time of Deus Ex they were respecting it and gave no indication about changing it.
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Oct 28, 2015 11:16
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amuayse posted:I've always used the GEP gun as a magical lock opening tool
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Oct 28, 2015 11:20
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MrL_JaKiri posted:A few years before, in 1997. Hong Kong is still socially very different. ... which is the code to Tong's compound.
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Oct 28, 2015 12:38
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Scalding Coffee posted:Is that coming from someone in China, I mean, The People's Republic of China? He would get shot for saying bad stuff about the government. Did you forget the government got shut down because reality is the complete opposite of what the guy said? China isn't The West, and is indeed quite pro-money?
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Oct 28, 2015 12:40
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Figured out why the wiki doesn't even bother to list Jock's pistol - it's poo poo. You get it long after you had a chance to acquire Jojo's Lo Bruto, yet it's worse in every conceivable way. Lower damage, rate of of fire (way lower) reload speed, recoil and accuracy. There's an argument to be made for using the Magnum over Lo Bruto - those 3 extra damage points may come in handy on occasion - but there's absolutely no use for Jock's pistol.
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Oct 28, 2015 12:54
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Scalding Coffee posted:Is that coming from someone in China, I mean, The People's Republic of China? He would get shot for saying bad stuff about the government. Did you forget the government got shut down because reality is the complete opposite of what the guy said? Here's the full conversation. quote:ISAAC The idea that democracy is a farce because large firms, which can't be held accountable for their actions, control the world is a common theme in Cyberpunk literature. The bartender believes that Western governments have sold out their people to multinational corporations. Subsequently, he argues that China/Hong Kong is a much better place to live because it keeps the companies in check. You obviously can't go against the regime, but as long as you're willing to play by its rules, you have the chance to live a decent life. Basically, he thinks that a dictatorship is still better than the freedom to starve in the streets. Whether that's true is up for debate of course, but the point of the conversation is to contrast JC's naive ideal of the US as a perfect democracy with the bartender's cynical view of the US as an oligarchy.
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Oct 28, 2015 15:16
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Yeah, I know it is a theme in cyberpunks.
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Oct 28, 2015 15:20
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EywgiSjkfkw The grimdark future is now.
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Oct 28, 2015 16:14
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Prenton posted:... which is the code to Tong's compound. 1776. Please turn your nerd card at the front desk on your way out. edit: gently caress why did I look that up AFTER I made the post? I will see myself out. I don't even know where the heck I got that from SolidSnakesBandana fucked around with this message at 16:54 on Oct 28, 2015 |
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Oct 28, 2015 16:51
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I love how that conversation is a totally optional piece of side content with a bartender. Just like finding Morpheus' room. 
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Oct 28, 2015 16:59
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SolidSnakesBandana posted:1776. Please turn your nerd card at the front desk on your way out. Isn't that the date the Illuminati was founded?
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Oct 28, 2015 17:04
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Apolis posted:Isn't that the date the Illuminati was founded? Correct, although the game cares more about 1723, when it claims Weishaupt was born. Which he wasn't, he was born in 1748 (23 is a reference to Illuminatus!, however, and in those pre-Wikipedia days they may just have gotten it wrong)
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Oct 28, 2015 17:12
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MrL_JaKiri posted:Correct, although the game cares more about 1723, when it claims Weishaupt was born. Which he wasn't, he was born in 1748 (23 is a reference to Illuminatus!, however, and in those pre-Wikipedia days they may just have gotten it wrong) I've never heard the whole of that conversation. They drop it right at a level transition so it's really easy to get it cut off.
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Oct 28, 2015 17:50
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Party Plane Jones posted:I've never heard the whole of that conversation. They drop it right at a level transition so it's really easy to get it cut off. quote:CONTACT: TRACER TONG It's not that exciting. If Tong's wrong about the birthdate, that's funny because Tong getting it wrong is a consistent theme in DX. New Dark Age my rear end.
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Oct 28, 2015 18:06
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1723!?!??! I'll never forget Tong's delivery on that line for some reason. And how silly it is that the Illuminati hides conspiracy clues in the tailoring of their shirts. What if one of their technicians is a fat guy?
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Oct 28, 2015 18:07
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SolidSnakesBandana posted:And how silly it is that the Illuminati hides conspiracy clues in the tailoring of their shirts. What if one of their technicians is a fat guy? I don't get it
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Oct 28, 2015 18:18
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MrL_JaKiri posted:I don't get it This prompted me to look up what a sleeve bearing is. Based on the context of the line above, I assumed they were talking about shirts. I have shamed myself twice in the Deus Ex thread in a matter of hours.
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Oct 28, 2015 18:21
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MrL_JaKiri posted:I don't get it sleeve bearings. it is a bad joke.  e: what Tong is actually referring to is the Grey Death's mechanical structure because it's a nanomachine as opposed to a true biological plague and 
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Oct 28, 2015 18:21
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Sleeve bearings are not on shirts
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Oct 28, 2015 18:22
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Psion posted:It's not that exciting. If Tong's wrong about the birthdate, that's funny because Tong getting it wrong is a consistent theme in DX. New Dark Age my rear end. The dumbest part about his 'Dark Age' is that even if you destroy the infrastructure you haven't destroyed the knowledge to build said infrastructure. People like the internet and they're going to rebuild it as fast as possible. It's like politicians patting themselves on the back for getting rid of (old, obsolete) nuclear weapons.
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Oct 28, 2015 18:36
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Ekster posted:The dumbest part about his 'Dark Age' is that even if you destroy the infrastructure you haven't destroyed the knowledge to build said infrastructure. People like the internet and they're going to rebuild it as fast as possible. One thing I'll give invisible war is that even that muddled box of crap said "uhhhh well the internet's back, Tong just sorta got it damaged for a while." the whole concept of centralized routing defies the laws of physics anyway. It never really worked for me. If they'd framed it more as centralized surveillance where all internet traffic is captured at peering points or whatever and copied to Area 51, I guess that's a little more plausible? But the idea of the entire internet literally routing through Page's bunker was just pfffff, nah. e: I should say "stayed" at that level because I remember a datacube indicating Aquinas was surveillance first, and then they just bullshitted it into being an internet replacement. I try not to take it literally since it works just fine in the context of the game. They got it right with Daedalus, so I have to give them credit for trying. Psion fucked around with this message at 18:55 on Oct 28, 2015 |
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Psion posted:It's not that exciting. If Tong's wrong about the birthdate, that's funny because Tong getting it wrong is a consistent theme in DX. New Dark Age my rear end. Don't forget that Tong is ultimately a gangster, and a new dark age would put the now unified Triads in pretty good position to completely rule Hong Kong openly. Like everyone else he's using JC for his own agenda.
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DoubleNegative posted:Don't forget that Tong is ultimately a gangster, and a new dark age would put the now unified Triads in pretty good position to completely rule Hong Kong openly. Like everyone else he's using JC for his own agenda. Yeah, if I remember right the first thing Helios does is to lock Tong in his own compound 
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The endings are left fairly vague (except the Illumanti ending) because they're to be taken at face value rather than analysing what would actually happen with all of the characters and their lives. They were more exercises in philosophies rather than actually trying to choose the 'best' ending (Destruction ending was always my favourite) Wherether Tong is a fuckup or not doesn't matter to me, as far as the Destruction and Helios endings go I think they were both intended to be on the level, rather than being read into too much.
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Oct 28, 2015 19:26
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It's actually amazing how well-balanced the endings are. I always liked the Helios ending because it sort of provided an avenue for me, JC Denton, to stay in control and keep making decisions. Of the other endings, one leaves JC probably dead or scratching out some kind of farming existence and the other leaves him supposedly running the Illuminati but actually taking a back seat and not being able to get anything done except indirectly. Thinking about it, the Helios ending even leaves the option open to say "nah" later and burn the whole thing down or hand control over to Morgan Everett. Or have a dance party.
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Al Cu Ad Solte posted:I love how that conversation is a totally optional piece of side content with a bartender. Just like finding Morpheus' room. I liked how the voice actor didn't seem to understand the script. His delivery of the think tank bit always sounded like he was making an exclamation rather than a question.
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qntm posted:It's actually amazing how well-balanced the endings are. I've never really liked the Helios ending, since it goes directly against what JC stood for the entire game. He never wanted to become a god, he thought the abilities of people working together was the best way to run a country.
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Oct 30, 2015 04:54
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HoboWithAShotgun posted:I liked how the voice actor didn't seem to understand the script. His delivery of the think tank bit always sounded like he was making an exclamation rather than a question. Rhetoric? And you believe it?
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Oct 30, 2015 15:21
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Momomo posted:I've never really liked the Helios ending, since it goes directly against what JC stood for the entire game. He never wanted to become a god, he thought the abilities of people working together was the best way to run a country.
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Oct 30, 2015 17:01
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Momomo posted:I've never really liked the Helios ending, since it goes directly against what JC stood for the entire game. He never wanted to become a god, he thought the abilities of people working together was the best way to run a country. Well, what's the alternative? Let the Illuminati screw everything up again or Tong's short lived 'Dark Age'? They both go against that ideal I think.
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Oct 30, 2015 17:05
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Momomo posted:I've never really liked the Helios ending, since it goes directly against what JC stood for the entire game. He never wanted to become a god, he thought the abilities of people working together was the best way to run a country. I think the concept, at least, is that that is precisely why Helios prefers to merge with JC instead of with Page. Helios wants the alternate viewpoint.
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I don't see the endings as a positive choice but more of a "lesser of three evils" sitiuation - what the lesser one is depends on your point of view - enlightened despotism, anarchy or oligarchy.
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Maybe that's what they originally intended, but as we see in the sequel, JC ends up forcing everyone in the world to link themselves up as one. I could never see JC agreeing to that.Ekster posted:Well, what's the alternative? Let the Illuminati screw everything up again or Tong's short lived 'Dark Age'? To be totally honest the Illuminati endings in all three games have always seemed the least awful to me. Yeah, it's a shadow government that controls the world, but everything else is even more unappealing. A blackout is dumb and would cause more problems then it's worth, and creating a god from an AI and a guy that quit his job on the first day sounds like a terrible idea.
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I thought the Helios endings were less a hive mind with a reigning AI God controlling everyone akin to the Borg from Star Trek and more of a way to monitor everyones needs on a ridiculously fast scale so Helios Denton knows exactly how to divert its resources to ensure equality for everyone? That's how I always read it.
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I think either Tracer Tong or Morgan Everett mentions near the end that Helios used its powers to lock the triads inside of their compunds and disable government buildings. Based on that, I'm assuming the Helios ending is basically Helios/JC Denton taking over all technology in the world and shutting down critical resources if people don't obey their orders.
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