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Aphrodite
Jun 27, 2006

By the way we need a full blade width shoto saber that also does the cool opening animation of Stronghold Defender sabers.

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Airspace
Nov 5, 2010
Speaking of Mon Calamari, I want to play as one so bad. Them and the Sullustans. I don't care if it locks me out of romances.

Medullah
Aug 14, 2003

FEAR MY SHARK ROCKET IT REALLY SUCKS AND BLOWS

Airspace posted:

Speaking of Mon Calamari, I want to play as one so bad. Them and the Sullustans. I don't care if it locks me out of romances.

I'd get banned so quick by not doing anything but scream "ITS A TRAP" in Warzones and raids.

Hulk Smash!
Jul 14, 2004

Airspace posted:

Speaking of Mon Calamari, I want to play as one so bad. Them and the Sullustans. I don't care if it locks me out of romances.

Same but with :wookie:

Hulk Smash!
Jul 14, 2004

nonentity posted:

http://www.slothfurnace.com/



I do just fine in my cardboard box. Good day, SIR.

Those are still so cool. Have you ever tried to make a curved hilt?

Reveilled
Apr 19, 2007

Take up your rifles

Magmarashi posted:

Make it play a clown honk each time you swing it and I'll buy 10 of them.

Also, make some darksabers

edit: Hell, just make more sabers with special blade effects, and make them actually available from something something reasonable then defunct sources and 15m auctions on GTN

Make a new sword other than the Cathar one, one that looks like a real sword please

Aphrodite
Jun 27, 2006

Cartel weapons are rarely more than a few thousand credits when they come out.

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

Cythereal posted:

I agree. Delete Coruscant.

coruscant first appeared in the thrawn books, scrub

nonentity
Dec 19, 2005

If I were small & bird shaped, I could fly.

Hulk Smash! posted:

Those are still so cool. Have you ever tried to make a curved hilt?

Nope, between raising two kids and getting bogged down in this commission...


http://www.slothfurnace.com/sabers/Exegesis_01.html

... I've not had a chance to branch out into new projects lately.

Airspace
Nov 5, 2010

Hulk Smash! posted:

Same but with :wookie:

Oh yeah, this.

Save thousands on voice acting, since most of the wookie lines are recorded already! Maybe a set for female wookies, but that shouldn't be too hard. Have there been any female wookies in Star Wars ever?

Eimi
Nov 23, 2013

I will never log offshut up.


Airspace posted:

Oh yeah, this.

Save thousands on voice acting, since most of the wookie lines are recorded already! Maybe a set for female wookies, but that shouldn't be too hard. Have there been any female wookies in Star Wars ever?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CtUd0yuYN4

Medullah
Aug 14, 2003

FEAR MY SHARK ROCKET IT REALLY SUCKS AND BLOWS

$%$&&$ of course you beat me to it, jerk.

Eimi
Nov 23, 2013

I will never log offshut up.


Medullah posted:

$%$&&$ of course you beat me to it, jerk.



Three, two, three, four, four, two, three AND.... :v:

Airspace
Nov 5, 2010

I did not click this link, because millions of voices suddenly cried out in terror

...and then kept screaming.

Cythereal
Nov 8, 2009

I love the potoo,
and the potoo loves you.
Or we could do this Galactic Battlegrounds style where the wookiees have an army with infantry, mounted cavalry, and tanks, an air force of their own, and an oceanic wet navy. As do the Rebels, Empire, Trade Federation, CIS, Galactic Republic, Royal Naboo, and Gungans.

Blooming Brilliant
Jul 12, 2010

When are Gungans available? Instant re-sub :colbert:

Mr. Baps
Apr 16, 2008

Yo ho?

Blooming Brilliant posted:

When are Gungans available? Instant re-sub :colbert:

mods??

Baron Porkface
Jan 22, 2007


Cythereal posted:

Bioware's noted they didn't want to make Valkorion evil (or at least not completely evil) for story reasons. They said in an interview that in Star Wars, anyone labeled "Emperor" is automatically an evil monster and they wanted to play around with that idea some.

Too bad for Bioware. They haven't learned that you can't change a characters basic personality and motivations in the middle of a story

If they wanted a nuanced emperor, they should have given Valkorian's personality and role to Darth Marr and made him an ambiguously evil fascist. It's not like we ever see him do something Sithy.

poptart_fairy
Apr 8, 2009

by R. Guyovich
Speaking of characters, Agent storyline spoilers: is there ever a pay-off if you get Darth Jadus to stand down, or does he basically dissapear from the story?

prefect
Sep 11, 2001

No one, Woodhouse.
No one.




Dead Man’s Band

Empress Theonora posted:

On a completely unrelated note, there are a very few things I think were cool about the prequels and one of those cool things was Count Dooku's lightsaber with a curved hilt. Are there any like that in SWTOR I could get for my Sith Warrior? All my lightsabers are so boring looking. :smith:

http://tor-fashion.com/lightsabers/

Curved hilts: Diabolist's Legion Lightsaber, Diabolist's Mentor Lightsaber*, Primal Legion Lightsaber, Qel-Droma Ancestral Blade (Imp), Soresu’s Razor (Imp).

I don't know what the asterisk means.


edit: Whoops, didn't realize how far behind I was. :blush:


nonentity posted:

http://www.slothfurnace.com/



I do just fine in my cardboard box. Good day, SIR.

A Ben Kenobi?! :monocle: :neckbeard:

prefect fucked around with this message at 01:53 on Oct 31, 2015

Reveilled
Apr 19, 2007

Take up your rifles

Baron Porkface posted:

Too bad for Bioware. They haven't learned that you can't change a characters basic personality and motivations in the middle of a story

If they wanted a nuanced emperor, they should have given Valkorian's personality and role to Darth Marr and made him an ambiguously evil fascist. It's not like we ever see him do something Sithy.

Yeah I really don't get the motives of Valkorion in the story so far. If he was a totally distinct character from the Sith Emperor, then I could totally buy the immortal benevolent dictator line they're following with him. But it's completely beyond me how his stated goal of "unite the galaxy under Zakuul and make it a better place" lines up with "also, I want to devour all living things in this galaxy". And I mean, he alludes to the idea that eating Ziost has given him a different perspective, but given that Ziost is the second planet he's eaten I find that hard to buy, especially so when apparently according to everyone on Ziost he was a good ruler for centuries. The only way I see the events of the story being credible are if either Valkorion was the embodiment of Vitiate's compassion and morality, cast out when Vitiate ate his first planet, and maybe they're somehow reunified after he ate Ziost, which while interesting was already done in the last expansion, pretty much, or, Valkorion is just a lying bastard pretending to be nice.

The fact that they're not brushing Ziost under the carpet is good for whatever they're trying to do, in my opinion. They have to have an explanation that reconciles Valkorion with Ziost, and the fact that the player gets to bring Ziost up every time Valkorion tries to sound like he's working for the good of everyone is a positive sign. What troubles me is that there's seldom mention of the fact that the Emperor's long term plan was to devour all life in the galaxy and Ziost was only the beginning, allowing Valkorion to say stuff like "oh, but even Ziost was for the greater good". You can't eat your galaxy and have it too, and Valkorion simply states he wants to bring order, he doesn't make much effort to persuade you that he doesn't actually want to kill literally everyone in the galaxy anymore.

Rouncer
Jul 23, 2009

My guess is that the hint is in how Revan split into two distinct entities, a dark one with corporeal form and a light one that was only spirit. Guessing that for Empie it went the opposite way, a "light" sided corporeal form that was the eternal emperor and a "dark" sided spirit form that possessed others and ate worlds. Both parts of the whole with separate agenda. Or something like that...

Eimi
Nov 23, 2013

I will never log offshut up.


Rouncer posted:

My guess is that the hint is in how Revan split into two distinct entities, a dark one with corporeal form and a light one that was only spirit. Guessing that for Empie it went the opposite way, a "light" sided corporeal form that was the eternal emperor and a "dark" sided spirit form that possessed others and ate worlds. Both parts of the whole with separate agenda. Or something like that...

That is what I suspect but I hope that it is not true, because that's so loving dumb. That means it will probably be what they go with but ugh it will be so stupid. :negative:

Reveilled
Apr 19, 2007

Take up your rifles

Rouncer posted:

My guess is that the hint is in how Revan split into two distinct entities, a dark one with corporeal form and a light one that was only spirit. Guessing that for Empie it went the opposite way, a "light" sided corporeal form that was the eternal emperor and a "dark" sided spirit form that possessed others and ate worlds. Both parts of the whole with separate agenda. Or something like that...

Yeah, that would definitely make sense, but if so, then gently caress me, that's so uninventive, to do literally the same plot device two expansions in a row.

Cythereal
Nov 8, 2009

I love the potoo,
and the potoo loves you.

Reveilled posted:

Yeah, that would definitely make sense, but if so, then gently caress me, that's so uninventive, to do literally the same plot device two expansions in a row.

My guess nowadays is Valkorion's a Voice, and was largely his own man for centuries while the Vitiate personality/entity was off doing its own thing. Senya notes that Valkorion grew cold and distant very suddenly, turning from the man she loved into someone else. I'm guessing that was Vitiate asserting himself over the Valkorion persona. Who knows whether headValk is Valk himself or Vitiate posing as Valk.

Berke Negri
Feb 15, 2012

Les Ricains tuent et moi je mue
Mao Mao
Les fous sont rois et moi je bois
Mao Mao
Les bombes tonnent et moi je sonne
Mao Mao
Les bebes fuient et moi je fuis
Mao Mao


Reveilled posted:

Yeah I really don't get the motives of Valkorion in the story so far. If he was a totally distinct character from the Sith Emperor, then I could totally buy the immortal benevolent dictator line they're following with him. But it's completely beyond me how his stated goal of "unite the galaxy under Zakuul and make it a better place" lines up with "also, I want to devour all living things in this galaxy". And I mean, he alludes to the idea that eating Ziost has given him a different perspective, but given that Ziost is the second planet he's eaten I find that hard to buy, especially so when apparently according to everyone on Ziost he was a good ruler for centuries. The only way I see the events of the story being credible are if either Valkorion was the embodiment of Vitiate's compassion and morality, cast out when Vitiate ate his first planet, and maybe they're somehow reunified after he ate Ziost, which while interesting was already done in the last expansion, pretty much, or, Valkorion is just a lying bastard pretending to be nice.

The fact that they're not brushing Ziost under the carpet is good for whatever they're trying to do, in my opinion. They have to have an explanation that reconciles Valkorion with Ziost, and the fact that the player gets to bring Ziost up every time Valkorion tries to sound like he's working for the good of everyone is a positive sign. What troubles me is that there's seldom mention of the fact that the Emperor's long term plan was to devour all life in the galaxy and Ziost was only the beginning, allowing Valkorion to say stuff like "oh, but even Ziost was for the greater good". You can't eat your galaxy and have it too, and Valkorion simply states he wants to bring order, he doesn't make much effort to persuade you that he doesn't actually want to kill literally everyone in the galaxy anymore.


Valk isnt to be trusted at all is what's going on here.

Phosphene
Aug 11, 2008
I'M NOT TRYING TO GET BIG AND BULKY OKAY WE ALL FAIL DIFFERENT GOALS
I would really like to play this game alone but since the patch i can't get passed the loading screen after the launcher. I've tried editing the confign to set fullscreen to false, deleted bitraider, ran the launcher fixer and done a clean install twice. Clicking around the forums results in all that and that's it. It worked before the patch and now nothing. :( anyone have any ideas?

Reveilled
Apr 19, 2007

Take up your rifles

Berke Negri posted:

Valk isnt to be trusted at all is what's going on here.

That's certainly the attitude I'm taking on my character, but if that's really the case he really ought to make more of an effort. Jumping inside your head is certainly a novel foot-in-the-door tactic for conning them, but when you've already sold a town one burning monorail, you need to work a little harder to sell a second.

Promethium
Dec 31, 2009
Dinosaur Gum
For some of these plot speculations, watch the trailer again and notice how Valkorian smiles very subtly at the last moment as his back is turned to the twins. And if you've played through both KotFE as both Sith Warrior and Agent, he speaks dismissively of both Marr and Malgus to the warrior but names Jadus as the finest creation of the Sith Empire. Valkorion is not by any measure a "light side" entity.

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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Wait are people seriously acting like the emperor suddenly isn't evil because he's doing a Dr. Doom thing with Zakuul

Reminder that if you accept his power twice he forces it on you the third time. He's absolutely 100% manipulating you as some sort of proxy against who he perceives as the true threat, Arcann, and he's probably gonna try to swipe your alliance from you at some point.

Also the first thing we see him do in the expansion is murder a popular character. We are sincerely not supposed to like him unless you're playing an evil character.

clone on the phone
Aug 5, 2003

My Dark 5 Inquis wanted to accept power at every turn from him because hey I'm an insane force ghost eating space wizard, but I just couldn't trust the dude and had to break my darkside streak. It will be great to see the consequences further down the line.

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
---------------------------->
Like he's definitely way more complex than his previous iterations but he's just more diabolical and manipulative evil now than muahaha ima shoot lightning and eat your soul evil

Berke Negri
Feb 15, 2012

Les Ricains tuent et moi je mue
Mao Mao
Les fous sont rois et moi je bois
Mao Mao
Les bombes tonnent et moi je sonne
Mao Mao
Les bebes fuient et moi je fuis
Mao Mao


Fojar38 posted:

Wait are people seriously acting like the emperor suddenly isn't evil because he's doing a Dr. Doom thing with Zakuul

Reminder that if you accept his power twice he forces it on you the third time. He's absolutely 100% manipulating you as some sort of proxy against who he perceives as the true threat, Arcann, and he's probably gonna try to swipe your alliance from you at some point.

Also the first thing we see him do in the expansion is murder a popular character. We are sincerely not supposed to like him unless you're playing an evil character.


Yeah, though I think you may be wrong that he sees Arcann as the true threat. I mean, the emperor can project himself into multiple people across the galaxy and control the minds of an entire planet. I think he does see something genuinely curious in your character and it is you, not the Eternal Empire that is the prize, but for what reasons (beyond ultimately taking you over), that is of course vague. Dude is straight up devious tho and lol if anyone has been like,"well I don't know he seems kind of nice!"

Bruceski
Aug 21, 2007

The tools of a hero mean nothing without a solid core.

I don't know if it gets debunked past where I am, but I like playing with the idea that Valkorian isn't related to Vitiate at all and just likes messing with you. The hunting party really did just accidentally run into another Empire.

Valhawk
Dec 15, 2007

EXCEED CHARGE

Bruceski posted:

I don't know if it gets debunked past where I am, but I like playing with the idea that Valkorian isn't related to Vitiate at all and just likes messing with you. The hunting party really did just accidentally run into another Empire.

He explicitly talks about Ziost in Chapter 2, something he'd have no idea about if he was really a seperate person. Not to mention, he name checks a bunch of Darths (Malgus, Marr, and Jaden).

All in all, I'm interested to see what exactly his game is. His entire plan doesn't seem to make a lot of sense, atm. Why go through all the trouble of trying to posses him/her when even on Ziost the best the PC could do was slow him down a matter of minutes? Not to mention his totally schizoid natures on Zakuul and among the Sith. He's up to something, but my current guess is that there's something more complex to his plan than to just take the PC over, because it seems like a lot of effort for not a lot of reward on his part.

Empress Theonora
Feb 19, 2001

She was a sword glinting in the depths of night, a lance of light piercing the darkness. There would be no mistakes this time.
Actual question re: the emperor's motivations since I can't remember and also haven't seen all the class stories:


Do we ever hear straight from the horse's mouth that his goal was to kill everyone and not just lots of people, or is that just what we heard from his weird glassy-eyed cultists in the Jedi Knight storyline et al?

Maybe his plan was to wipe out the Sith Empire and the Republic while simultaneously developing the perfect society that would replace them and inherit the ashes on Zakuul?

But I don't remember Ziost very well, so maybe he's just literally all like, yeah, I'm going to kill everyone ever.


Anyway, we probably shouldn't Valkorion, but I sure am enjoying trusting him anyway on my trooper. My main Sith Warrior is still maintaining her strict gently caress the emperor policy.

Valhawk
Dec 15, 2007

EXCEED CHARGE
I think the one who states that the Emperor is planning to eat all life in the Galaxy is Lord Scourge. The Jedi can even mention that would leave no one left to rule over and Scourge just points out there are other galaxies. Vitiate never really denies it in the JK quest.

I think Revan also references that Vitiate wants to kill everyone, and he was in touch with Vitate's psyche for centuries.

Nerd Of Prey
Aug 10, 2002


When his ex talks about him becoming cold and distant, I was thinking that was his mind being busy light-years away playing his centuries-long game of Sim Galaxy because his utopia was boring. Like everything we've witnessed so far was a side project and he didn't give much of a poo poo about it. Ruling the Dark Council was what he did to relax after work. Eat a planet, don't eat a planet, whatever, he's just pushing buttons to see what happens. And when he was "silent" in the old Sith Empire that's when he was paying attention to his family.

Orgophlax
Aug 26, 2002


EDIT: Nevermind, cleared up my own confusion.

Orgophlax fucked around with this message at 06:44 on Oct 31, 2015

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Berke Negri
Feb 15, 2012

Les Ricains tuent et moi je mue
Mao Mao
Les fous sont rois et moi je bois
Mao Mao
Les bombes tonnent et moi je sonne
Mao Mao
Les bebes fuient et moi je fuis
Mao Mao


Valhawk posted:

I think the one who states that the Emperor is planning to eat all life in the Galaxy is Lord Scourge. The Jedi can even mention that would leave no one left to rule over and Scourge just points out there are other galaxies. Vitiate never really denies it in the JK quest.

I think Revan also references that Vitiate wants to kill everyone, and he was in touch with Vitate's psyche for centuries.


I think ultimately wiping out everything in the galaxy and moving on would be some sort of end game for Vitiate, though that's not really in the cards like tomorrow. It took him 1000 years to even get the ball rolling on putting feelers out on the Republic, and another 300 before invading. Why he needed to zap Ziost, let alone what that actually "did" for him is really vague (since he ends up just getting his human body murked like shortly after, which seemed to be a concern when he first faced off with Revan but no biggie now) but I do think he's kind of a malicious and bored entity. Your character is a real bizarre oddity to him, and he wants you to be added to his collection (perhaps his plans were for one of his children to be a new host to replace "Valkarion" but now he's found you and you're much more interesting?) Its kind of like with Senya, she's just another guard until she kind of has this moment and Valk's reaction is just like "ha ha, well, how interesting." And she lines up with his plans at the time as well but he also really doesn't care about anyone really so when she's no longer interesting he just kind of drops her.

I think this comes through when sometimes you can be just talking and say something off the cuff in KotFE and you'll get a little ambient pop up that Valkarion finds this amusing. He's got this big plan to eventually consume all life in the galaxy but its going to take thousands of years and in the meantime he's basically just watching this ant farm he has set up and is amused whenever someone does or is something he truly didn't predict. This curiosity isn't infinite though.

Now someone explain to me how the star cabal fits into all this.

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