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Optimus Subprime posted:Do you work blue collar? This has not been my experience in white collar work, but I've never had to leave a job in bad terms so I always have given 2 weeks notice, and this has always been with at will employment. I've also had similar experiences. The factory I worked in many years ago was pretty much...you put in your two weeks and you'd be escorted out of the building by security a few minutes later. In the consulting business, I've seen people give a month's notice and even interview their own replacement!
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In my white collar experience you get paid those two weeks but get "escorted" out. Definitely if you are going somewhere in the same industry.
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Optimus Subprime posted:Do you work blue collar? This has not been my experience in white collar work, but I've never had to leave a job in bad terms so I always have given 2 weeks notice, and this has always been with at will employment. White collar. And yeah usually you get paid for the 2 weeks anyway but usually they just terminate immediately.
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I only had to quit a job once. It was a white collar job. I gave my two weeks notice, they begged me to stay six weeks. I only ended up staying three weeks (we were rolling out an entire new EHR system and the third week covered the week after going live). They were baffled when my answer to their question of "Do you have another job lined up?" was "No. I haven't even started looking." My then-boss laughed when I gave my response to what would it take to keep me on. Apparently, double the pay, less OT, more other workers to help out, and a reasonably sized office to work with others in was too much to ask. "Good luck!" I got it all at my next job that took me a week to find. gently caress hospital IT.
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Oct 31, 2015 03:19
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Here's a perfect summary of who stays/goes in this new ESPN: https://twitter.com/KenTremendous/status/660161621893877764
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Oct 31, 2015 03:22
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Grantland, though a name that didn't actually tell the reader what to expect, had developed a good brand equity outside of the ESPN audience. The first time I read it, it was an article about pro wrestling and I was surprised to find I was reading ESPN material. I don't understand who thought, "we need to retrench our business model to catering sports fans with cable subscriptions" when there's money in a lot of other things, too. It was way better content than Vice, for more or less the same audience.
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Lockback posted:In most states it's illegal to spread that kind of information, even if true, unless you are asked. Also, if anything is even a little bit false (in some states even if they thought it was true) and someone can prove damages (in the form of not getting a job) you can be sued. That's true in terms of a potential employer calling a former employer for a verification. But how you screw yourself with that kind of behavior is that you very often run into people you've worked with before when out looking for a new job later on. And when those people see your resume they might say "that guy left me high and dry in a poo poo position" and put you in the "no" pile.
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If former grantland employees felt screwed over shouldn't their blame go to the employer who could prevent all of this by signing their employees to actual contracts? I despise the idea that people who work for lovely employers are loving over their coworkers for things the company could easily account for by agreeing to more decent terms.
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Craptacular! posted:Grantland, though a name that didn't actually tell the reader what to expect, had developed a good brand equity outside of the ESPN audience. The first time I read it, it was an article about pro wrestling and I was surprised to find I was reading ESPN material.
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FlamingLiberal posted:Here's a perfect summary of who stays/goes in this new ESPN: loving BRUTAL
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FlamingLiberal posted:It's become pretty clear in the last 6 months that Disney is basically ordering ESPN to cut back on things that aren't related to live sports. Almost everything else at the network has been affected. So far they haven't let go of any prominent TV people unless Simmons counts. They decided to let Cowherd and Olbermann walk instead of re-signing them to new deals. yet they're investing in 'the undefeated'
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straight up brolic posted:yet they're investing in 'the undefeated'
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FlamingLiberal posted:It's become pretty clear in the last 6 months that Disney is basically ordering ESPN to cut back on things that aren't related to live sports. Almost everything else at the network has been affected. So far they haven't let go of any prominent TV people unless Simmons counts. They decided to let Cowherd and Olbermann walk instead of re-signing them to new deals. Yeah, to me that is the bottom line. All these talks about war of egos and feuds seem just like PR spin, given that the direction of ESPN overall seems pretty consistent. I doubt giving notice or any of that background drama really mattered in the long run.
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straight up brolic posted:yet they're investing in 'the undefeated' Black History Month is four months away, need to start gearing up on content for that. The above is most likely someone has thought at ESPN in the past month or so. I can't prove it but you know I'm right.
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I think they had plans to shut down Grantland but they weren't immediate plans, then the four editors left to follow Bill and Skipper decided to pull the trigger so he could pin the blame on Simmons.
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I miss Grantland already. The point isn't that the quality writers won't find a new home. It was having it all in one place that also allowed the occasionally collaboration or podcast too.
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soggybagel posted:I miss Grantland already. The point isn't that the quality writers won't find a new home. It was having it all in one place that also allowed the occasionally collaboration or podcast too. I'm holding out hope for cross-platform podcasting. Ben Lindbergh's podcast is a Baseball Prospectus one so cross-platform should be a-okay even when they hit the digital diaspora.
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Vertical Lime posted:simmons would have loved this hey y'all this is actually probably gonna be really good and really depressing, this is a Pro Watch for the new round of movies.
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Grantland is basically this millennium's "The National"
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i watch sportscenter generally when I'm going to bed because i like to have a tv on while I'm reading at night. if i could get nhl network i would watch that.
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Man you guys had some lovely bosses
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zakharov posted:Man you guys had some lovely bosses What this guy said. What kind of horrific white collar jobs are you working where your boss terminates you immediately after filing your two week notice? Do they really expect you to work at the same job for the next 40 years until retirement? People leave for better opportunities all the time. People wouldn't leave if they felt they were in a good situation at their current job. If you only offer better opportunities when someone threatens to leave then you are not a good boss. The two week notice is a good-will gesture to your bosses and colleagues to transfer knowledge, documents, etc. to the person temporarily taking over your role. It's incredibly inconsiderate to leave without any notice . But I can't really hate Simmons for being petty and vindictive. The only role ESPN plays in the digital world is a single location for stats/scores for all sports. This isn't very valuable given this information is easily accessible via google/twitter. ESPN told Simmons that his ability to cultivate thoughtful analysis/long form journalism isn't important by firing him. Simmons' 10,000 word columns aren't good, but apparently talented people like working for him. Why shouldn't he issue a gently caress you to those at ESPN who fired him and don't value his talents?
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KingNastidon posted:ESPN told Simmons that his ability to cultivate thoughtful analysis/long form journalism isn't important by firing him. I mostly agree with what you're saying, but let's be honest here: it's more like ESPN told Simmons by firing him that his ability to cultivate thoughtful analysis/long form journalism isn't worth putting up with his bullshit. Re: jobs and giving notice, at sufficiently large companies the middle manager isn't the one making that call, it's an HR thing. And HR gives no fucks what is convenient for that one specific department. In My Experience.
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Eric the Mauve posted:I mostly agree with what you're saying, but let's be honest here: it's more like ESPN told Simmons by firing him that his ability to cultivate thoughtful analysis/long form journalism isn't worth putting up with his bullshit. In my experience people who tend to routinely spout their "bullshit" are typically the most thoughtful, informed, and engaged employees. These people might be gigantic assholes, but at least they're usually trying to make things better. Simmons was getting paid millions of dollars a year and could have written the same boring columns until retirement. He dared to be provocative and say critical things about ESPN/NFL (which weren't even untrue) and he got fired. Simmons may be a petty dude and an even worse writer, but you can't knock his ability to be a likable boss, spot talent, and understand what people want to listen to/read between meetings at work. If ESPN doesn't value that skill set and believes their long-term value proposition is to aggregate scores/stats, then they should be shamed and spited for being short-sighted.
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sportsgenius86 posted:Grantland is basically this millennium's "The National" Man remembering that just makes me sad. I might still have their last issue around here somewhere.
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KingNastidon posted:What this guy said. What kind of horrific white collar jobs are you working where your boss terminates you immediately after filing your two week notice? I think you're looking at "termination" as a "You can't quit, you're fired!" moment. I would imagine that in a lot of industries, giving an employee who's about to work for a competitor access to your resources/clients/etc. is more of a liability than having them around is an asset. Instead they pay you for your two weeks, but you can't be at work any longer.
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BeastOfExmoor posted:I think you're looking at "termination" as a "You can't quit, you're fired!" moment. I would imagine that in a lot of industries, giving an employee who's about to work for a competitor access to your resources/clients/etc. is more of a liability than having them around is an asset. Instead they pay you for your two weeks, but you can't be at work any longer.
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BeastOfExmoor posted:I think you're looking at "termination" as a "You can't quit, you're fired!" moment. I would imagine that in a lot of industries, giving an employee who's about to work for a competitor access to your resources/clients/etc. is more of a liability than having them around is an asset. Instead they pay you for your two weeks, but you can't be at work any longer. Yea depending on what you do for us, my place of employment will just pay out the notice and ask people not to come back. It's not a malicious thing, it's just dependent on the risk/reward of keeping people around.
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sportsgenius86 posted:Grantland is basically this millennium's "The National" I hadn't heard of that, luckily I can learn all about it from... Grantland.  http://grantland.com/features/the-greatest-paper-ever-died/
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KingNastidon posted:What this guy said. What kind of horrific white collar jobs are you working where your boss terminates you immediately after filing your two week notice? Do they really expect you to work at the same job for the next 40 years until retirement? People leave for better opportunities all the time. People wouldn't leave if they felt they were in a good situation at their current job. If you only offer better opportunities when someone threatens to leave then you are not a good boss. I have some terrible news for you. A large percentage of the job market out there sucks really bad.
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Here's a fun fact: if you have an employee ID number, it means you're a stat to them, not a person. hth and all. It'd be great if loyalty was a two-way street and all and I'm sure people have had great boss at a direct supervisor level, but for being people corporations are lovely friends.
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C. Everett Koop posted:Here's a fun fact: if you have an employee ID number, it means you're a stat to them, not a person. hth and all.
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INSPECTAH DECK posted:Little much. Maybe but it's not too outlandish, especially with the biggest corporations. The day is probably approaching when employees' badges are also going to be tracking devices and performance reviews will include things like "over the past year you spent 9 minutes per day in the bathroom versus the company average of 7.5, that needs to come down below 8 or else you need a doctor's order" and "it takes you 21 seconds to walk 50 yards in the office on average, this needs to come down to below 19."
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Will Carroll is still an idiot pretending to know about pitching injuries, right? I made a joke about him on Twitter like a week ago, he just now got around to namesearching himself and then blocking me. 
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KingNastidon posted:In my experience people who tend to routinely spout their "bullshit" are typically the most thoughtful, informed, and engaged employees. These people might be gigantic assholes, but at least they're usually trying to make things better. Simmons was getting paid millions of dollars a year and could have written the same boring columns until retirement. He dared to be provocative and say critical things about ESPN/NFL (which weren't even untrue) and he got fired. He wasn't suspended for criticizing the NFL, he was suspended for challenging his bosses to suspend him. I'm sure the NFL shot exacerbated the issue, but he was hardly the only ESPN employee who has thrown Goodell under the bus the past year. You make it sound like Simmons was a model employee who did the noble thing to call out the NFL, but the reality was he had been disciplined multiple times in the past and made an extremely childish comment that he refused to apologize for. He was a malcontent, he was expensive, he was the face of a site that was bleeding money and rumors say ESPN is being told to cut $100 Million off their budget. ESPN is being a lovely big corporation, but tons of lovely big corporations would have cut the expensive, malcontent who is heading a division that is losing money, even if that division had some prestige. Honestly, it sucks the Grantland is shuttering, I really liked their NBA coverage. But ESPN is ultimately a bad fit for what Simmons wants to do, they just had the fat purse for him to do it without worrying about money. Eventually Grantland would have been shut down anyway, or even worse, turned into something that can be better monetized. Simmons going somewhere else and Grantland shuttering now is probably best for everyone long term.
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Vincent K. McMahon just posted on SA that's fairly cool but weird.
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Eric the Mauve posted:Maybe but it's not too outlandish, especially with the biggest corporations. The day is probably approaching when employees' badges are also going to be tracking devices and performance reviews will include things like "over the past year you spent 9 minutes per day in the bathroom versus the company average of 7.5, that needs to come down below 8 or else you need a doctor's order" and "it takes you 21 seconds to walk 50 yards in the office on average, this needs to come down to below 19." Honestly, corporate loyalty is so stupid now. Ever since Jack Welch invented the "layoff to increase profit" models any job can be gone at any second to increase the bottom line.
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I left my last job on amicable terms, and gave notice so I could prepare for the next person to take over and make sure that my coworkers were ready for the interim period. Maybe the nonprofit world is less full of assholes?
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zakharov posted:I left my last job on amicable terms, and gave notice so I could prepare for the next person to take over and make sure that my coworkers were ready for the interim period. Maybe the nonprofit world is less full of assholes?
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